the Oval Office fiasco

[VitaMan]

Zelenskyy was supposed to visit Washington DC to sign a mineral deal with Trump. Who knows all the details of what was in the agreement.....


But it turned into something else:


- it sounded like Zelenskyy wanted Trump to acknowledge the ruthlessness and untrustworthyness of Putin, from past agreements dated back to 2014.


- all Trump would do is back up Putin, refuse to call him a dictator, ramble on about how Putin got shortchanged in the Russian influence discussions, and demanded more thanks from Ukraine for the US support.


- Trump then goes on to belittle Zelenskyy, saying he doesn't have the cards and would not have lasted 2 weeks without
US support.


That may be correct, but what is Trump doing making these kinds of statements in an Oval Office setting such as this....




The minerals deal was not signed. We may never know the reason why, or what all was in the proposed agreement.

[VitaMan]

[Jacky S]

The American People need to see, and hear, the absurd futility in continuing to fund a futile and unwindable war were the only guarantee is the continuing slaughter of thousands of young men on either side.

President Trump is offering Zelensky a honorable way out. He refused to take it.

[VitaMan]

Why doesn't he offer Putin a way out instead ? Russia is the aggressor.

[1blackman1]

Repeating your silly statement doesn’t make it true Jacko. Aside from being silly, it’s wrong. Trump just wanted to give Putin a clear indication that he’s doing his bidding.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

The American People need to see, and hear, the absurd futility in continuing to fund a futile and unwindable war were the only guarantee is the continuing slaughter of thousands of young men on either side.

Comrade Krasnov is offering Zelensky horseshit wrapped in gold leaf. He refused to take it.

FTFY

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Why doesn't he offer Putin a way out instead ? Russia is the aggressor.

The answer to that is simple. Dove Tiny already stated it. They fear Putin so won’t put pressure on him.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

The American People need to see, and hear, the absurd futility in continuing to fund a futile and unwindable war were the only guarantee is the continuing slaughter of thousands of young men on either side.

President Trump is offering Zelensky a honorable way out. He refused to take it.

The opposite of not funding Ukraine is way worse.

[Jacuzzme]

More of a beatdown than a fiasco.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by royamcr

The opposite of not funding Ukraine is way worse.

How?

President Trump has a good read on Eastern European Politics. The last World War tells us that Russia will go to just about any extreme to defeat an enemy.

That is why Putin will not back up. Just as Joe Stalin instituted a scorched policy combine with sacrificing millions of his Countrymen in order to push back and defeat NAZI Germany, Putin will do the same thing, with the added terror of his nuclear arsenal.

The only real solution is for Russia to have a “9mm election”. But the political climate inside Russia makes that impractical.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

More of a beatdown than a fiasco.

How so?
The ramifications from trumps tirade has been quick. Countries are turning their backs on us. Trumpf proved his allegiance to his mentor putin.
The world views trumpf as putins puppet. Unstable and not trust worthy.

[VitaMan]

Apparently Trump was not willing to include security guarantees in the minerals deal.

[pertpvyztrzv]

Zelensky want the media there, because they have always been major suck-ups to him everywhere he goes.

Who in their right mind is going to take a mineral deal while the war is still going on? That's for afterwards.

Z's plan was to get Americans in country, Americans get fired upon, intentionally, false flag, accidentally, whatever, same result. US ramps up the war and now we are in a war and bring NATO along to make sure it's WW3. Hard Pass.

Zelensky was offered a peace deal and refused because UK and US told him to refuse it, so he's the issue. And now thanks to the EU sucking up, the war will continue without US. Until EU begs for help.

Funny how everyone says Trump ruined everything, now Ukraine wants to come back and Trump's making them wait. Probably until they replace the Z-child. Art of the Deal, baby.

Countries are turning their backs on us.

Because the EU liked Trump before this? OK. The EU needs us much more than we need them. Once they really get into a war, who are they going to call? Again.

[VitaMan]

Not much making sense in the above.


In particular you mention Zelenskyy refused a peace deal because UK and UK told him to refuse it.....so Zelenskyy is the issue ?


EU leaders are meeting with Zelenskyy. Likely that will determine the way forward.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

How so?
The ramifications from trumps tirade has been quick. Countries are turning their backs on us. Trumpf proved his allegiance to his mentor putin.
The world views trumpf as putins puppet. Unstable and not trust worthy.

Using rhetoric about physical action without being willing to use physical action is what helps make it a fiasco. Certain low course sycophants get to rah rah while the reality is that we know that the guy who is actually in a war looks smaller.

Same reason they picked on the suit issue. They couldn't punch their way out of a paper bag but want to protect strength. Instead they look like mean girls while telling Z to be nice to a killer and actual dictator.