Trump says Ukraine started the war

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I don't need innocence. Wasn't any vote for Ukraine to join NATO when Vlad pulled his shit in the Donbas and started trying to peel off parts of Ukraine by sending in his guys and lying about them being there.

If you want to be a Putin apologist, be a Putin apologist loudly and proudly. Like Donnyboy.

Actually Russian nationalist militias started operating in Donbas without Russian government approval initially. Government support came later. It was a case of the tail wagging the dog.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Actually Russian nationalist militias started operating in Donbas without Russian government approval initially. Government support came later. It was a case of the tail wagging the dog.

exactly! and how many dogs had tails to wag here? a lot including the US/NATO and the military industrial complex. let's not forget about them!


the real dogs wagging their tails are the mil money warmongers cashing in on yet anther conflict



hmm maybe that's the problem here?

[tman1847]

Just another ”No Balls” Biden Fuck Up. Remember the beginning when he stated his sanctions would stop the Russians, lol they attacked the next day. Then he spread the sanctions out over years, delayed tanks, armored vehicles and F-16’s. The agenda news bragged about Joe Biden’s foreign policy expertise. And we have wars all over the planet. Joe Biden had 4 years to fix the mess he helped create. Forget the recent agenda news reports and give Trump sometime to fix this. If he kisses Putin ass, screws over Ukraine then criticize and point a finger

[RX792P]

Trump's first term

Trump has denied all wrongdoing. He confirmed that he had withheld aid from Ukraine, while offering contradicting reasons for doing so. Trump first claimed it was withheld because of corruption in Ukraine, but later said it was because other nations, including those in Europe, were not contributing enough aid to Ukraine. European Union institutions provided more than twice the amount of aid to Ukraine than did the United States during 2016-17, and Trump's budget proposal sought to cut billions of dollars from U.S. initiatives to fight corruption and encourage reform in Ukraine and elsewhere.

[tman1847]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Trump's first term

Trump has denied all wrongdoing. He confirmed that he had withheld aid from Ukraine, while offering contradicting reasons for doing so. Trump first claimed it was withheld because of corruption in Ukraine, but later said it was because other nations, including those in Europe, were not contributing enough aid to Ukraine. European Union institutions provided more than twice the amount of aid to Ukraine than did the United States during 2016-17, and Trump's budget proposal sought to cut billions of dollars from U.S. initiatives to fight corruption and encourage reform in Ukraine and elsewhere.

You must have forgot Obama/Biden did the same thing and let the Russians take Crimea

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by BobbyBeeBrown

I can't speak for Blackman. But I would have figured out a way to get India and China in on the sanctions. The Russian economy would have tanked if that happened. Then again, Puting might have really ratcheted up the idea on using a Nuke if he got backed into a corner. Maybe this is why I am not in government. And why I can't sleep.

Sanctions don't work IMO. They didn't in Cuba, Iran or Venezuela. So I'm biased. But that's honestly a really good reply. And original. Coming up with something that would actually prevent Russia from trading with China and India without threatening the U.S. dollar's status as the world's premier reserve and trading currency would be difficult. And we'd risk greatly worsening relations with those two countries.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

exactly! and how many dogs had tails to wag here? a lot including the US/NATO and the military industrial complex. let's not forget about them!


the real dogs wagging their tails are the mil money warmongers cashing in on yet anther conflict



hmm maybe that's the problem here?

Yes. Over in the "Stupid Shit in Kyiv" thread on another hooker board, some bozo keeps linking to articles on the Institute for the Study of War's web site. It's a nonprofit that cheerleads for every neoconservative cause in the book. Right now it's promoting an endless war in Ukraine, of course.

Who are the Sugar Daddies for this nonprofit? Well, the defense industry of course. Major contributors included General Dynamics, Raytheon, CACI and DynCorp. They're promoting war so they can sell more weapons. I guess it's a more targeted way of getting what they want than television advertising.

[Jacuzzme]

Is there ANYONE not controlled by Raytheon or Pfizer?

[1blackman1]

Trump is Putin’s bitch. Some things never change. Tiny appears to be a dove that’s ok with Russian expansion through force. Folks on the right are Russian apologists and propagandists.

It’s a war that’s started by a Russian invasion. Folks are fighting and the Ukrainians are fighting valiantly dying for their country against Russian and Korean troops. They’ve held 80% of their country after a full scale invasion that initially threatened Kyiv. They’ve even attacked into Russia. Strategically they’ve achieved more than anyone expected 3 years ago.

Russia can end their invasion at any moment by going home. They won’t. They’re the aggressor. Trump and the Trumpys are pussies dicklicking Russia and Putin.

The US has expenddd 170m or so providing weapons to Ukraine, and Europe has spent about 150m (actually European financial support has significantly gone to US companies through weapon purchases so the US actually benefits there).

We should provide whatever aid we can in weapons and technology and logistical support to help Ukraine drive Russia from their land.

It is to our benefit to keep Ukraine out of Russian control.

If Israel was trying to reclaim their borders after being invaded would we tell them to just cede the territory to Iran as long as they were willing to keep fighting?

[BobbyBeeBrown]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Is there ANYONE not controlled by Raytheon or Pfizer?

Or Lockheed Martin. Or Blackrock. Or Boeing. Or ADM. Or Tyson.
Or....

No. There is no one that is not controlled by them.

We have been sold out. Totally. And the Supreme Court says they have all of the rights of citizens without being really accountable. They get free speech, the right to have virtually unlimited political influence. And no one ever goes to jail when they tank the housing or banking markets.

But Elon knows how to get control of all of this back: remove all governmental regulation of them! The Free Market will save us all! And if we remove some regulation and find out later that we fucked up..no worries! We can just put it back! Elon knows how to do that, just ask him.

What could go wrong?

[VitaMan]

So much unsubstantiated rambling.


Anyone who believes Russian reasons for anything has had the steel wool pulled over their eyes.

[Jacky S]

The prevailing question should be……”How many more young Russian and Ukrainian’s have to die to satisfy the ego’s of both parties”?

President Trump’s first objective is to stop the killing.

The major arms suppliers on either side could care less, as long as they are getting killed with their weapons.

[VitaMan]

The discussion has degenerated into a nothingburger

[RX792P]

Not sure Trump/Vance claims about Ukraine starting the war and Zelensky's dictatorship are as quite as successful as they would like

'You can fool some of the people all the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time...you can't fool all of the people all of the time' (the last part is hopefully)

The new YouGov poll found that 61 percent of U.S. adults think Russia started the conflict in Eastern Europe that has been raging for nearly three years. Some six percent said Ukraine was the one to kick it off.
Around 15 percent of respondents blamed both sides equally while 18 percent were not sure, the poll found.

Nearly half of Americans, 45 percent, do not think that Ukraine’s president is a dictator. Around 22 percent think that he is while a third of respondents were not sure, according to the survey.

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...ne-war-survey/

[EdBeaver]

Is it true that Poland, France, England and a few other countries started WWII and rounded up those poor Germans?