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Old Yesterday, 03:37 PM   #1
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Default ACLU files lawsuit against Trump Admin over asylum

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-asylum-aclu-lawsuit/

What do you think about this issue?

Who will win? Why?
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-asylum-aclu-lawsuit/

What do you think about this issue?

Who will win? Why?

Trump wins because he has the authority as Commander in Chief to close the border and over 50% of all asylum seekers get rejected. and they are violating International law by not applying for asylum at the first safe haven they reach. yet they march all the way from South America and Mexico to file for asylum in the US. a clear violation of law.


Trump is the president of law and order and he has the constitutional authority to halt immigration. he won't be the first president to do so.
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Non citizens do not have constitutional rights
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Non citizens do not have constitutional rights
They haven't scrubbed that yet. Try again

https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ALDE_00001262/
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https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ALDE_00001262/



Fail. your article refers to legal applicants. anyone who knowingly lies to gain asylum is committing a crime and forfeits any right to asylum. as you have posted before .. yes?


are you ignoring international law about safe haven? is it your contention that America is the only safe haven?


good luck with that
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Fail. your article refers to legal applicants. anyone who knowingly lies to gain asylum is committing a crime and forfeits any right to asylum. as you have posted before .. yes?


are you ignoring international law about safe haven? is it your contention that America is the only safe haven?


good luck with that
its not a article is a 1903 USSC decision that stated a legal alien can't be deported. Sucks because all of the illegal's are just that illegal guess they have due process to go back.
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You didn't read, Waco. I wasn't even talking to you. His statement is false.

Before we even get to lawful or unlawful aliens, he's wrong on the basis of U.S. non-citizen nationals. They are non-citizens. They have constitutional rights.

Then, that addresses lawful and unlawful and the varying protections for illegal aliens
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You didn't read, Waco. I wasn't even talking to you. His statement is false.

Before we even get to lawful or unlawful aliens, he's wrong on the basis of U.S. Nationals. They are non-citizens. They have constitutional rights.

Then, that addresses lawful and unlawful anf the varying protections for illegal aliens



see above. UC is right and so am i.


be interesting to see what far left think tank nonsense you come up with that shows where non-citizens have constitutional rights in the USA
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Some civics lessons are in order, I see.

Also, I'm still focused on his error... that you seem compelled to want to double down on and own as well for some reason
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Some civics lessons are in order, I see.

Also, I'm still focused on his error... that you seem compelled to want to double down on and own as well for some reason
this is you posting that there is no automatic asylum claim .. yes?

oh snap you though i forgot about that .. nope.

and you aren't wrong .. right?


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This is an important clarification. Here's why.

Encounters include apprehensions AND expulsions.

These are generally

1. people temporarily in CBP custody, and given a court date for their asylum claim to be adjudicated (apprehensions)

AND

2. people who were denied entry and returned to either their home country or last country of transit (expulsions)

If someone shows up and is removed today and returns tomorrow, that's 2 encounters (explusions). Not 2 separate people. If they're removed and try to or do return illegally they are subject to a permanent ban.

Now let's focus on the apprehensions group. This will include admissible and inadmissible. Admissibles have an existing legal path today to enter. Inadmissibles do not, but can file an asylum claim. If they don't, they'll be removed. Those who do are documented aliens until their case is adjudicated. Many will be eligible to work temporarily. It could take 180 day or up to 7 years for these folks to be processed. If the asylum claim is denied, a removal order will be issued.

This link is helpful, but not gospel.

https://usafacts.org/articles/what-c...d-immigration/

This one on border recidivism is also interesting

https://usafacts.org/articles/border...der-crossings/

Now, Asylum claims.

Only about 18% of asylum claims today are heard and approved. Why?

A similar percentage of asylum claims are heard and denied? Wait, how? Those two numbers don't total anything close to 100%.

Those remaining cases fall into other buckets. 1 is that the asylum applicant has one or more other legal irons in the fire and the case is left unadjudicated while those other processes play out. One of those may be a Temporary Protected Status program enacted by the executive branch.

2. Are folks withdrew their cases formally. Most of these folks either found a different legal path, returned home or went elsewhere

3. Are those who didn't appear at their court date. This includes those who didn't formally withdraw but left. Those who were already deported/removed. And those who disappeared into the ether. This group is small. Removal orders will be in effect.


None of this speaks to refugees, who apply abroad.

Asylum claims occur at the border and is a legal means of immigrating, even if the initial entry was illegal.

And if you're still reading, there were only about 1.1 million asylum cases pending with the courts as of April 2024, and an additional 1.1 million pending with USCIS. If rejected by USCIS, most of those cases with be added to the immigration court docket. These are total cases. Not annual. Good perspective.

The apprehension rates are estimated about 75% under Trump and Biden.

There are just shy of 700 immigration judges today who are closing about 975 cases each per year. Backlogs under Trump increased by about 2.5x.
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