Colombia

[Green_Mountain]

I think I owe a lot of people an apology.

If you spend 22 seconds and watch this video of Hitler it sounds almost word for word how Trump is handling this situation with Colombia.

https://x.com/CollinsforTX/status/1883953643369685008

[onawbtngr546]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

Considering some or even many of the illegals being deported are criminals and came from prisons in their home country they will feel right at home.

We have it here, folks. MAGAs are advocating in favor of dehumanizing the undesirable 'aliens'.



You do realize that ICE is targeting anyone who is looking ethnic enough, right? A citizen shouldn't need to provide their birth certificate to ICE at their place of work, and because of it, they can be taken because they look ethnic enough.


Yeah, if you are a criminal, you will be deported. I hope so. That's the status quo.
But at this point, they are not going after just the criminals. You think you are advocating the good fight, and on paper, you are. But behind the smoke and mirrors, what you think is being done isn't actually what is being done.

[HDGristle]

The Great Deporter took a lot of flack for it from Dems and Republicans alike.

Still managed to generally preserve their human dignity even if he did deport folks like it was his only job. And he worked with allies to help make it happen.

In fact, some of why Homan's job is so tough right now is because of Obama's deportation actions and the response from the states.

I think he and Petro would have come to an accord without the bombast. And I hate Obama

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

We have it here, folks. MAGAs are advocating in favor of dehumanizing the undesirable 'aliens'.

I watch very little TV. This evening I had on Fox and they talked about some of criminal charges of the Colombians on the infamous flight from yesterday.

Good enough for me say that flight was full of criminals. Good riddance.

Part II - a little bit later Trump was speaking in Fla. He talked about the flight to Colombia, the criminals on the flight, and yes they were cuffed for security reasons on a military plane. Once again, good enough for me.

You wouldn’t want these guys watching your kids. Or would you to avoid fear of having bias or being called a racist?

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

We have it here, folks. MAGAs are advocating in favor of dehumanizing the undesirable 'aliens'.



You do realize that ICE is targeting anyone who is looking ethnic enough, right? A citizen shouldn't need to provide their birth certificate to ICE at their place of work, and because of it, they can be taken because they look ethnic enough.


Yeah, if you are a criminal, you will be deported. I hope so. That's the status quo.
But at this point, they are not going after just the criminals. You think you are advocating the good fight, and on paper, you are. But behind the smoke and mirrors, what you think is being done isn't actually what is being done.

... Nope.

... ICE is targeting the criminals - in most cases
they KNOW who they are looking for.

And the Colombian criminals are being shipped back.
Whether they want to go or not.

... Thank you President Trump! ...

##### Salty

[HDGristle]

Ah, Fox. The channel that even Fox said is entertainment and not news and that the owner admitted under Oath to prompting lies for the very man you mentioned.

Charge sheets?

Also, remember not to use the k word.

It's funny to me that no one seems to want to go beyond surface level. As usual. Chalk that up to a combo of ignorance of what's normal and customary, what's actual policy and a lack of empathy despite not knowing who is on the planes. Devo has told us not to trust what the gov says, yet much picking and choosing based on narrative occurs.

Here's some links both sides can mine from some biased sources.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/us/ic...ner/index.html

https://jsis.washington.edu/humanrig...es-in-the-air/

https://thegrio.com/2021/10/14/black...man-restraint/

https://www.propublica.org/article/s...tation-flights

I have a pretty good idea of who will gravitate to what breadcrumbs, but I'm always open to being surprised

Would be interesting to see who can speak to which laws they're ok with being broken while enforcing other laws and get specific.

96 posts in this thread. Interesting

[HDGristle]

Also interesting.

The Brazil flights were a major driver of Petro's pushback. Reports of deportees (not all male, not all adults and many with no criminal history) cuffed and leg shackled being led off the plane. The reports of the conditions on the flight. Medical situations. Lack of ventilation. No water given. No ability to use restrooms.

Part of the discussion from U.S. officials to Petro were assurances regarding the removal of handcuffs and that DHS personnel would accompany them rather than U.S. military.

The U.S. also agreed to stop the photo ops and not photograph or film the Colombian deportees

I'd also surmise that Trumpybear's overreaction has pushed Colombia into closer ties with China, which is not in our best interest. Wouldn't be shocked to see them overtake us as Columbia's top trading partner in the next couple of years

[Hedge Row]

Yes Gristle, that’s one of the biggest misunderstandings about the impacts of diplomacy. The more we shit on Mexico and Latin American countries, China is eager to become good friends with them and they become more willing to blow us off.

[HDGristle]

One might say our lack of diplomacy

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Ah, Fox. The channel that even Fox said is entertainment and not news and that the owner admitted under Oath to prompting lies for the very man you mentioned.

Charge sheets?

Also, remember not to use the k word.

It's funny to me that no one seems to want to go beyond surface level. As usual. Chalk that up to a combo of ignorance of what's normal and customary, what's actual policy and a lack of empathy despite not knowing who is on the planes. Devo has told us not to trust what the gov says, yet much picking and choosing based on narrative occurs.

Here's some links both sides can mine from some biased sources.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/us/ic...ner/index.html

https://jsis.washington.edu/humanrig...es-in-the-air/

https://thegrio.com/2021/10/14/black...man-restraint/

https://www.propublica.org/article/s...tation-flights

I have a pretty good idea of who will gravitate to what breadcrumbs, but I'm always open to being surprised

Would be interesting to see who can speak to which laws they're ok with being broken while enforcing other laws and get specific.

96 posts in this thread. Interesting

Ah, CNN. far left news entertainment site

U of Washington .. far left university in a far left state that is now a shithole .. well Seattle is

the Grio ... so far left they are trending right ... bahahahhaaaa

propublica ... far left think tank that despises America,


other than that .. fine sources one and all!

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Also interesting.

The Brazil flights were a major driver of Petro's pushback. Reports of deportees (not all male, not all adults and many with no criminal history) cuffed and leg shackled being led off the plane. The reports of the conditions on the flight. Medical situations. Lack of ventilation. No water given. No ability to use restrooms.

Part of the discussion from U.S. officials to Petro were assurances regarding the removal of handcuffs and that DHS personnel would accompany them rather than U.S. military.

The U.S. also agreed to stop the photo ops and not photograph or film the Colombian deportees

I'd also surmise that Trumpybear's overreaction has pushed Colombia into closer ties with China, which is not in our best interest. Wouldn't be shocked to see them overtake us as Columbia's top trading partner in the next couple of years

amusing without any credible source you believe the far left narrative as "Trump Evil!" without question. isn't that what cult members do?

[Green_Mountain]

Waco you may not say such things.

Our friends in this thread only watch accurate news sources that correctly announced potato head Joe was “cogent”, “better than ever”, and “sharp as a tack” just a short time ago.

I watched Fox yesterday that shared some pretty awful crimes the Colombians on the plane had been charged with. Can’t be true can it?

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Ah, CNN. far left news entertainment site

U of Washington .. far left university in a far left state that is now a shithole .. well Seattle is

the Grio ... so far left they are trending right ... bahahahhaaaa3

propublica ... far left think tank that despises America,


other than that .. fine sources one and all!





amusing without any credible source you believe the far left narrative as "Trump Evil!" without question. isn't that what cult members do?

I specially said they were biased

However they also contain things both sides could mine. Smoked you out to joint the convo too, as expected.

Welcome back. What did you learn from what you read?

There's stuff in there that Fox hasn't touched on despite the fact that it can also make Biden look bad or make the case that some items are quite customary and have crossed multiple administrations.

Care to dig in?

Now

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

Waco you may not say such things.

Our friends in this thread only watch accurate news sources that correctly announced potato head Joe was “cogent”, “better than ever”, and “sharp as a tack” just a short time ago.

I watched Fox yesterday that shared some pretty awful crimes the Colombians on the plane had been charged with. Can’t be true can it?

As for GM, would you care to share what those things were? Since I asked for you boys to find the charge sheets I clearly want more discussion because you will almost certainly find some things that point to very nasty criminals and I strongly suspect some that only crossed the border. Maybe even had an appointment for an asylum claim and no criminal record.

Some "very fine people" mebbe.

[Green_Mountain]

Personally any illegal that the Gov can legally deport is good by me.

Idc about any other charges, by definition they are illegal if they broke the immigration laws of the United States. This may of course include the plane to Colombia.

But while we’re at it, Fox and Trump said the Colombians on that plane had criminal charges and restraints were prudent. Good enough for me.

[HDGristle]

What I'm asking for is... did they break a law? If they showed up at the port of entry and got rounded up for a return flight... what law was broken?

You don't seem curious. I get it. You don't care. But Fox has admitted to not being truthful, we know Trump has not been truthful and we know there's hyperbole and spin.

I see where your bias kicks in. Mine wants to dig a bit because I know details from other flights that leave me skeptical.

I also know that Homan needs more funding, but they chose the expensive military plane that costs 3x (or more) more per hour when they could charter and get more people per plane than what they had on those 2 flights if they wanted to.

I know they chose to release pics and clips for the optics, because it makes for good TV with Fox viewers.

So... what crimes were they all guilty of? And were they charged here? Convicted here? Were those crimes from abroad?

Was their failure to abide by the laws of U.S. what made them subject to be deported to Colombia? Is that considered being subject to the jurisdiction?

[Green_Mountain]

You’re right I don’t care.

I am against globalism as I believe the end game is very bad for all of us reading this thread. If you are coming from the 3rd world you will benefit.

Anything that moves away from globalism I am for including the plane that went back to Colombia.