BIDEN PARDONS EVERYBODY!!!

[Unique_Carpenter]

OK,
How many of you got yours?

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

OK,
How many of you got yours?

Mine is in the mail with my auto warranty extension.

[biomed1]

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[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Budman

I don't understand how you can be pardoned for crimes that are not even being investigated. Maybe the Supreme Court needs to take a look at this. It may not be constitutional.

I can't either.
Especially when the head maggie has been screaming for blood without any evidence to support what he says. Had more than enough time to put forth copious dockets in the court system.

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

This is a strange precedent, a license to have others do anything on your behalf, regardless of its legality. Get elected, have a bunch of people do a bunch of corrupt shit and pardon them all of any possible crime on the way out the door.

Well, best I figure, you spend 40 or 50 years in public service, you've given enough time for those to bring charges against you. "Ollie Ollie in come free!" Don't seeth that your time expired on pushing a faux complaint in court.

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Bullshit. Trump did nothing even remotely resembling this.

Anonother Jan 6 denier. I have seen indicted people that day assaulting people on camera and that being showed as evidence in court and the defendent accepting responsibility for such.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Anonother Jan 6 denier. I have seen indicted people that day assaulting people on camera and that being showed as evidence in court and the defendent accepting responsibility for such.

You prove his point... Trump pardoned or commuted the sentences of people who had been charged and tried.... not his family members for unspecified, uncharged, uninvestigated imaginary crimes.

How can the President pardon a person for crimes that are not even specified? It indicates only, in the words of Adam Schiff that accepting a pardon for unspecified crimes is essentially an admission of wrong doing.

[VitaMan]

Not al all. The words of Adam Schiff are simply another opinion.


Trump pardoned Steve Bannon, his chief strategist, for exactly the same reason Biden did some of his pardons......possible political retribution by rabid politicians in the future....who will possibly continue to hunt for unspecified, uncharged, and no evidence imaginary crimes. The costs of having to defend against these accusations can themselve be ruinous. Bannon was not indicted or charged with a crime when he received a pardon. Many other examples


It's not that hard to understand the reason for the pardons.

[royamcr]

Doesn't bother me at all they got pardoned. They were all conned by trump, they will forever live in shame of their stupidity.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Trump pardoned Steve Bannon, his chief strategist, for exactly the same reason Biden did some of his pardons..... possible political retribution by rabid politicians in the future.... Bannon was not indicted or charged with a crime when he received a pardon.

I'm not defending Bannon, but I think your facts are wrong. Back in 2020, he was facing actual DOJ charges of fraud. Here's a link:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53853297

So Trump's 2021 pardon wasn't pre-emptive, it covered actual federal criminal charges that Bannon was facing at the time.

Plus... you do know he spent 4 months in jail last year after being held in contempt for refusing to testify in front of the J6 Committee? Evidently Trump's pardon didn't protect him from that, did it?

It also didn't protect him against state or local charges. Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg is still pursuing a case against Bannon for the same fraud charges (related to a border wall charity scheme) that the feds were forced to drop.

Bottom line - Many of Biden's 2025 pardons are "pre-emptive". Trump's 2021 pardons weren't.

Carry on.

[VitaMan]

I believe Bannon wasn't indicted at the time you reference.
And you mention he was "facing" federal criminal charges. Either way it is a preemptive pardon.
He was not convicted at the time.

Bannon was Trump's chief strategist. Ponder that.


Did you know a pardon only covers a specific period of time - not acts in the future. That is why Bannon spent time in jail when Trump was not president and Biden was.


The more interesting current thing about Bannon....isn't he on trial for stealing money ? And if and when will President Trump pardon him ? Likely can't save him this time around unless some are federal charges.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

I believe Bannon wasn't indicted at the time you reference.
And you mention he was "facing" federal criminal charges. Either way it is a preemptive pardon. He was not convicted at the time.

Huh? Charged versus indicted is a distinction without a difference here. You're mangling the meaning of the word "pre-emptive".

Bannon was already charged and had entered a not guilty plea in August 2020. So everyone knew what alleged crime trump was pardoning him for.

Except for Hunter, none of the Biden family members have been charged with anything. So why the pardons?

When you can't even specify what the alleged crime is you are issuing a pardon for, THAT is what pre-emptive means!

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by texassapper

You prove his point... Trump pardoned or commuted the sentences of people who had been charged and tried.... not his family members for unspecified, uncharged, uninvestigated imaginary crimes.

How can the President pardon a person for crimes that are not even specified? It indicates only, in the words of Adam Schiff that accepting a pardon for unspecified crimes is essentially an admission of wrong doing.

And you conveniently ignored him pardoning members of his family.