Trump says RFK Jr. will investigate the discredited link between vaccines and autism: ‘Somebody has to find out’

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

That's why kids with Autism will continue to live short low quality lives.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

As an aside I would like to take exception to the claim that kids with autism live short low quality lives. There are plenty of people who live with autism and autistic children who live relatively happy fulfilling lives.

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Don't go off on any tangents. You have no idea what happiness is to them.

You’re correct. My statement is an opinion. An informed opinion but an opinion nonetheless. It’s also not all inclusive. Like most people those on the autism spectrum lead all kinds of lives . Some fulfilling and some not.

Your statement however is both bleak and all encompassing. I don’t pretend to speak for all Autistic people nor their families. You shouldn’t either.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

You’re correct. My statement is an opinion. An informed opinion but an opinion nonetheless. It’s also not all inclusive. Like most people those on the autism spectrum lead all kinds of lives . Some fulfilling and some not.

Your statement however is both bleak and all encompassing. I don’t pretend to speak for all Autistic people nor their families. You shouldn’t either.

I can't help suspecting that you really don't know what Autism is.
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[Yssup Rider]

Never once in your AI reference (lol) is the word “disease” used.

Nor is the word “vaccine” used.

Even AI knows you’re barking but the wrong tree. As is RFKJ. Trump is just barking.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Never once in your AI reference (lol) is the word “disease” used.

Nor is the word “vaccine” used.

Even AI knows you’re barking but the wrong tree. As is RFKJ. Trump is just barking.

The word Disease isn't stated because Autism is an abnormal health condition without a known cause. A disease has a specific cause. It's clear that you're only concerned about that Vaccines aren't in the picture at least for now.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

The word Disease isn't stated because Autism is an abnormal health condition without a known cause. A disease has a specific cause. It's clear that you're only concerned about that Vaccines aren't in the picture at least for now.

Actually that's ENTIRELY the topic of this thread.

If you want to start a thread about the causes and treatment of Autism, I suggest you start one in the Sandbox.

Please and thank you.

Oh yeah, the word "disease" IS used in this thread. By you.

Originally Posted by Levianon17

More money is spent on debunking the Autism Vaccine connection than finding the source and effective treatments for this disease. That's why kids with Autism will continue to live short low quality lives.

[Jacuzzme]

I babysit a 17 year old autistic boy Tuesdays and Thursdays to help his parents, my neighbors, out. He’s pretty severe, nonverbal, and the most interesting person I’ve ever met.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

I babysit a 17 year old autistic boy Tuesdays and Thursdays to help his parents, my neighbors, out. He’s pretty severe, nonverbal, and the most interesting person I’ve ever met.

I find that quite interesting.

[Yssup Rider]

And what does that have to do with RFKJ or vaccines?

Nada.

[Jacuzzme]

The thread is partially about autism. I believe it’s fitting to point out how, in their own ways, amazing some autistic kids are.

The boy I watch has unbelievable skills in language and mapping, all self taught. He’s receptive in at least 5 languages, probably many more. Drive somewhere once, even if it’s thousands of miles away, and he’ll draw you a perfectly scaled map. He’s also a world class checkers and Mario Cart player. I consider him one of my best friends.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Don't go off on any tangents. You have no idea what happiness is to them.

This is true. I spend a lot of time babysitting and coaching miracle league baseball and it’s hard to gauge if kids with higher spectrum autism are enjoying themselves. With Down Syndrome it’s simple, they smile and laugh just like anyone else, but autistic kids are very much in their own heads. It’s common for them to not even make eye contact. I hope they’re having fun, but there’s really no way to know for sure.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

And what does that have to do with RFKJ or vaccines?

Nada.

We have already determined that Vaccines don't cause Autism, so you can rest easy. Jacuzzme is just stating his experience with Autism, nothing wrong with that.

[Yssup Rider]

Do that in a new thread, please.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

One of the most widely debunked claims in medical history is making a comeback, according to our brilliant President-elect and his designee for HHS, RFKJ. Trump said "someone has to find out." Well, hundreds of medical studies over decades has enabled medical science to "find out."

I suppose next, they'll look into the moon landing.

Read for yourself.

The hysteria can be traced back to a 1998 paper written by Andrew Wakefield et al that purported to show a correlation to the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccination. The study was roundly debunked:

https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452?

As to the title of your thread, if RFJ Jr. investigates the discredited link between vaccines and autism and finds, correctly, that there is none, that would be positive. It would help make up for the 80 kids who died from measles in Samoa because of vaccine hesitancy. That would have happened with or without Kennedy, but he certainly was Johnny on the spot after a couple of kids died after getting the MMR vaccine. The measles outbreak there started two months after Kennedy's visit.

Originally Posted by HoHound

Then explain why the unvaccinated Amish people have zero cases of Autism. Look it up!

That's not true. The rate among Amish overall probably is similar to the general population or higher. It may depend on the particular community:

A 2016 study surveyed over 13,000 Amish children across multiple states. Researchers identified 153 children with ASD - a prevalence of 1 in 86. This is comparable to ASD rates in the general US population.

A 2017 study focused on an Amish community in Middlebury, Indiana. Out of 322 screened, 16 Amish children were identified as having ASD - a prevalence of 1 in 20. This is higher than averages seen across previous epidemiological studies.

A 2020 study of an Amish settlement in Ontario, Canada identified 18 children with ASD out of 258 screened - a prevalence of 1 in 14. Again, this rate is significantly higher than most prior studies.

https://www.medicinecontact.com/blog...-in-the-amish?

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Do that in a new thread, please.

While you and I believe, with good reason, that vaccines don't cause autism, the preoccupation with staying strictly on topic is backfiring IMHO. This is not as interesting a place to play. And people end up starting multiple threads on similar topics, which clutter the board. Remember how oeb flamed out. Jacuzzme's not going to start a new thread on a kid he's babysitting, and I thought what he wrote was very interesting.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The hysteria can be traced back to a 1998 paper written by Andrew Wakefield et al that purported to show a correlation to the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccination. The study was roundly debunked:

https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452?

As to the title of your thread, if RFJ Jr. investigates the discredited link between vaccines and autism and finds, correctly, that there is none, that would be positive. It would help make up for the 80 kids who died from measles in Samoa because of vaccine hesitancy. That would have happened with or without Kennedy, but he certainly was Johnny on the spot after a couple of kids died after getting the MMR vaccine. The measles outbreak there started two months after Kennedy's visit.



That's not true. The rate among Amish overall probably is similar to the general population or higher. It may depend on the particular community:

A 2016 study surveyed over 13,000 Amish children across multiple states. Researchers identified 153 children with ASD - a prevalence of 1 in 86. This is comparable to ASD rates in the general US population.

A 2017 study focused on an Amish community in Middlebury, Indiana. Out of 322 screened, 16 Amish children were identified as having ASD - a prevalence of 1 in 20. This is higher than averages seen across previous epidemiological studies.

A 2020 study of an Amish settlement in Ontario, Canada identified 18 children with ASD out of 258 screened - a prevalence of 1 in 14. Again, this rate is significantly higher than most prior studies.

https://www.medicinecontact.com/blog...-in-the-amish?



While you and I believe, with good reason, that vaccines don't cause autism, the preoccupation with staying strictly on topic is backfiring IMHO. This is not as interesting a place to play. And people end up starting multiple threads on similar topics, which clutter the board. Remember how oeb flamed out. Jacuzzme's not going to start a new thread on a kid he's babysitting, and I thought what he wrote was very interesting.

Good for you Tiny. Then you can start your own thread about (forbidden topic).

However, that exchange is NOT an effort to make the thread more interesting, and if you don't believe that, then you're as naive as you are coy.

I agree that the asides can enhance these conversations, but some folks' entire "ECCIE rap sheet" is only about keeping on topic. Including mine.

I assure you I didn't rtm my own posts for hijacking threads. As long as people continue to be disciplined for that, then all should comply.

Frankly, I don't think who we "babysit" is even appropriate conversation for this site.

[Yssup Rider]

RFKJ now suggests the polio vaccine be discontinued.

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