Citizenship Reminder! MAGA!

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

He's playing coy and talking out of both sides of his mouth.

He should just say he's going to revert to family separation for mixed status. That's the simplest way to say it.

Easier to sell to people when you package it as a choice

Why would he say that when it’s not true? Families only become separated if they chose to be so.

Your argument is intended to gin up sympathy for people who came here illegally and got into relationships with people who didn’t. Tough luck. They should’ve thought about the consequences of putting down roots in a country they entered illegally before they did so, and the possibility that the law would eventually catch up with them.

[HDGristle]

Not my argument, but it is true that his policy is pro-separation, though. He's clearly ok with it, he just doesn't want to say it because he wants to obfuscate his role and actions. He is choosing to create more paths to separation.

I'm actually 100% ok with family separation. He just lacks the balls to say it this time and tell people the hard reality because it's a tougher pill for others to swallow.

[Jacuzzme]

It’s a necessary evil, but doesn’t have to be. If someone’s family is the most important thing to them, which it should be, going with whoever is illegal and gets deported is a no brainer. Stay behind and liquidate assets, then go join them wherever they are.

[HDGristle]

Or find a way for them to return legally. You're also placing your value system on them. There's a sacrifice play for the future you're neglecting.

There are many paths he could go. He's not choosing those. His focus is on a wide swath of removals so he's only playing a small part of the available field.

Bonus points if you can explain why Lusty's magnet removal argument is bullshit.

[Jacuzzme]

There’s already a way to return legally.

[tommy156]

If anyone is expecting the price of groceries to come down after Shitty Hitler deports 75% of the agricultural industry, that person is not very smart. In fact, that person might just be a moron.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

There’s already a way to return legally.

That will depend on whether they trigger a ban and the duration of that ban.

Meanwhile, the valid U.S. citizens, nationals and permanent residents of working age are still subject to U.S. taxation. And the permanent residents need to returnperiodically to maintain their status.

So is liquidating assets the right call?

This is where the "it depends" pops up. This is a potentially very complex web. You're still only playing in about 5% of it.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by tommy156

If anyone is expecting the price of groceries to come down after Shitty Hitler deports 75% of the agricultural industry, that person is not very smart. In fact, that person might just be a moron.

It’s tough to wrap my head around how some people are pro lawlessness. Is flouting immigration law the only thing you’re in favor of if it makes carrots .25 cents cheaper, or would you not want a person punished for raping your mother if it’ll save that quarter?

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

It’s tough to wrap my head around how some people are pro lawlessness

Umm.... uhh... dude... lol

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/.../english/irony

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Is flouting immigration law the only thing you’re in favor of if it makes carrots .25 cents cheaper, or would you not want a person punished for raping your mother if it’ll save that quarter?

Absolutely none of this is based in reality.

[Jacuzzme]

That’s not an answer, but about what I expected.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

It’s tough to wrap my head around how some people are pro lawlessness. Is flouting immigration law the only thing you’re in favor of if it makes carrots .25 cents cheaper, or would you not want a person punished for raping your mother if it’ll save that quarter?

If you aren't reporting all your out-of-state purchases to PA correctly, maybe you CAN wrap your head around it.

Trying to pretend that the .25 cheaper carrot is directly related to an undocumented worker raping people is hilariously slippery slope. The rapist could be 3rd cousin Sal, who's a 4th generation American citizen. Or do you have some minority report tech that tells you who will and won't commit crimes?

We know you don't. So stick with the facts. You're safer there. We all are. Can't afford to go around nuking imaginations.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

That’s not an answer, but about what I expected.

Your question is nowhere near being tethered to reality. It would demean us both for me to engage in that tripe.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Trying to pretend that the .25 cheaper carrot is directly related to an undocumented worker raping people is hilariously slippery slope. The rapist could be 3rd cousin Sal, who's a 4th generation American citizen. Or do you have some minority report tech that tells you who will and won't commit crimes?

We know you don't. So stick with the facts. You're safer there. We all are. Can't afford to go around nuking imaginations.

And they wonder why we just shake our heads and chuckle. The "pro lawlessness" comment was especially WTF-worthy.

[HDGristle]

Trump said, "I don't want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don't break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back,"

He wants to deport people. You say he wants to give them choices. That statement doesn't give then choices.

you have to send them all back

First off, if we're talking mixed status... where are we sending them all back to when some of them are from here?

And second, there's choice and an illusion of choice.

You're being sold vaporware.

Do you think he can end birthright citizenship on Day 1? Can we agree that's not within his power?

If the country were to go that direction, does your birth certificate address the citizenship of your parents?