The Real Reason(s) The Left Lost

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

According to the cook report these are the popular vote totals as of today.

Harris 73,886,652. 48.24%
Trump 76,516,791 49.96%

In a country of over 335 million people that’s not exactly a mandate.

Did some people rank anti lgbtq issues as their deciding factor when voting, sure. But it’s likely those people were likely to vote republican anyway.

A number of factors kept people from coming out to vote for Harris. I hesitate to say that “Woke” issues were the deciding factor.

Moslem views on Israel, sticky prices, and the dark propaganda about the border and immigration, in my opinion, were the deciding factors.

your number is way off. by age and other factors there's only about 235 million eligible voters.


"Based on statistics for 2020, the number of eligible voters in the US was over 231 million people. Of these, approximately 168 million registered to vote, and 154 million actually cast a vote in the 2020 presidential election. This shows that many more people could be registered to vote and cast their vote in the future."

about 88% of registered voters did vote.



woke/DEI was an issue because the Democrats made it an issue. not only is Woke/DEI overt racism it's just stupid and doesn't actually accomplish diversity.


and the only "dark propaganda" about the border was the fact that 10 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country with little to no chance of ever meeting asylum requirements.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

your number is way off. by age and other factors there's only about 235 million eligible voters.


"Based on statistics for 2020, the number of eligible voters in the US was over 231 million people. Of these, approximately 168 million registered to vote, and 154 million actually cast a vote in the 2020 presidential election. This shows that many more people could be registered to vote and cast their vote in the future."

about 88% of registered voters did vote.

woke/DEI was an issue because the Democrats made it an issue. not only is Woke/DEI overt racism it's just stupid and doesn't actually accomplish diversity.


and the only "dark propaganda" about the border was the fact that 10 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country with little to no chance of ever meeting asylum requirements.

You’re taking the wrong message from my post.

Taken from a PBS and a politifact article.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2...harts-provide/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ed-in-5-charts

Measured both by vote percentages and by raw votes, Trump’s margin of victory is modest, even compared with this century’s other close elections.

For votes counted through Nov. 20, Trump’s margin over Harris was 1.62 percent. That’s smaller than any winner since Bush in 2000, when the margin was 0.51 percent. Going back further, only John F. Kennedy in 1960 and Nixon in 1968 won the popular vote by smaller margins, 0.17 percent and 0.7 percent, respectively.

On a percentage basis, Trump's 2024 winning margin was the fourth smallest since 1960

Trump's 2024 raw vote margin was smaller than any popular vote winner since 2000, and the fifth-lowest since 1960

In both percentage and raw votes, Trump’s margin is on pace to be less than half of what Biden achieved four years earlier.

Meanwhile, there is ample evidence that Trump’s strong performance at the top of the ticket didn’t boost down-ballot candidates much.


Did Trump win a decisive victory. Yes. Was that victory a mandate from a significant majority. NO!

DEI is at best a minor contributor to the Democratic loss. The Economy was a much bigger and more relevant issue to the majority of the voters on both sides.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

... is the real reason they lost the election in such a resounding manner.

CNN’s Abby Phillip Says Democrats Have Bigger Problems Than ‘Wokeness’

CNN anchor Abby Phillip said Democrats have bigger problems than just “wokeness,” suggesting that they have catered to the elite class for far too long.

Phillip issued her diagnosis of the Democratic Party’s issues when speaking at the Institute of Politics for the Harvard Kennedy School of Business last week.

“Democrats are in that place now where they have to break out of it, and I think it is a real problem. It’s not as simple as wokeness or whatever. It’s about people who are being incentivized to think about issues in a particular way,” Phillip said.

The CNN anchor said that Democrats could fall victim to “groupthink” if they become too circular in their lines of communication.

“I have observed that elites increasingly talk only to each other and come to believe that because there is consensus among them, that that consensus is shared broadly, and there are not enough voices that are confident enough to disagree and to present alternatives,” she said. “And we as a society need to find better ways to uplift divergent voices. Otherwise, we will be victims of groupthink.”

Phillip chalked the party’s problem up to “elitism in general.”

“There needs to be more courage among people to speak out and to voice diverging opinion. Otherwise, you know, I think it’s a real issue, and it’s not just the Ivy League. I think it’s elitism in general,” she said...

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

You’re taking the wrong message from my post.

Taken from a PBS and a politifact article.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2...harts-provide/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ed-in-5-charts

Measured both by vote percentages and by raw votes, Trump’s margin of victory is modest, even compared with this century’s other close elections.

For votes counted through Nov. 20, Trump’s margin over Harris was 1.62 percent. That’s smaller than any winner since Bush in 2000, when the margin was 0.51 percent. Going back further, only John F. Kennedy in 1960 and Nixon in 1968 won the popular vote by smaller margins, 0.17 percent and 0.7 percent, respectively.

On a percentage basis, Trump's 2024 winning margin was the fourth smallest since 1960

Trump's 2024 raw vote margin was smaller than any popular vote winner since 2000, and the fifth-lowest since 1960

In both percentage and raw votes, Trump’s margin is on pace to be less than half of what Biden achieved four years earlier.

Meanwhile, there is ample evidence that Trump’s strong performance at the top of the ticket didn’t boost down-ballot candidates much.


Did Trump win a decisive victory. Yes. Was that victory a mandate from a significant majority. NO!

DEI is at best a minor contributor to the Democratic loss. The Economy was a much bigger and more relevant issue to the majority of the voters on both sides.

This goes back to Biden’s first week in office. Remember him gleefully signing all of those Executive Orders to the applause of his adoring cast which more or less reversed the entire Trump Presidency.

It all started there. Inflation, unemployment, floods of illegal border crossing, loss of national pride.

The only bright points were (depending on your point of view), the hiring of more government workers, and a great rise in Wall Street investments, which never trickled down to the house wife in the grocer store trying to comprehend why 6 sticks of butter cost srven dollars.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

<The Real Reason(s) The Left Lost>

To bring joy to a majority of the voting populous, perhaps.
Some networks sooner than others.

...When Networks Called the Presidency for Donald Trump

1. NewsNation — 1:22 a.m. (Chris Cuomo)
2. Newsmax — 1:23 a.m.
3. Scripps News — 1:24 a.m. (Maritsa Georgiou)
4. Fox News — 1:47 a.m. (Bret Baier with the call and Martha MacCallum co-anchoring)
***President Trump made his election win speech for the 2024 election around 2:30 AM Eastern Time on November 6, 2024.
5. CNN — 5:30 a.m. (John Berman)
6. ABC News — 5:31 a.m. (David Muir)
7. CBS News — 5:31 a.m. (Norah O’Donnell)
8 MSNBC — 5:31 a.m. (Jen Psaki)
9. NBC News — 5:31 a.m. (Kate Snow with the call and Craig Melvin co-anchoring)

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

It is my belief that the election results were less about the politicians, Trump, Biden and later on Harris . . .and more about rejecting the overall agenda of the progressive left.

One key indicator of this was the number of Moslem voters in Michigan who did not vote for Democrats. This says to me that these were people who felt less strongly about supporting the Palestinians in Gaza and more strongly about opposing the presence of biological males in their daughter's locker-room.

The really weird aspects of the progressive agenda also brought the other demographic groups of middle America to the Republican side, those "uneducated" folks who make up that portion of the population that does the work in our cities and on our farms, in the auto repair shops and factories, those folks who bring food to our tables or who cook it, the people who care for us in clinics and hospitals. These folks who make it all happen every day.

These are people who know who is or is not a woman. these are people who have a good handle on what is right and what is wrong . . .and they viewed the agenda of the progressive left as profoundly wrong.

The left was on the wrong side on Immigration and letting biological males play woman sports and use girls bathrooms. The democrats need to fix these two issues if they want to win in 2028.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

The left was on the wrong side on Immigration and letting biological males play woman sports and use girls bathrooms. The democrats need to fix these two issues if they want to win in 2028.

... Also seem that they were on the "wrong" side of
the abortion issue there, mate.
But I mentioned that already.

... Whatever the case, the Dems need to straighten out
their own message and views - IF they have ANY hope
of winning come 2032.

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[ggew44]

If the general public ever realizes that we are closer together on what we want for our country, rather than on opposite ends, politicians are doomed.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by ggew44

If the general public ever realizes that we are closer together on what we want for our country, rather than on opposite ends, politicians are doomed.

Think of the money we could save...