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Old 02-17-2024, 03:39 PM   #1
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You have to view and listen to the speeches of JFK to see true leadership qualities.

Biden has poor leadership qualities.

Trump has no leadership qualities...only divisiveness, bullying, and con man qualities.
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Old 02-19-2024, 11:40 AM   #2
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Trump does not blame Putin. What a horrid leader.



"The sudden death of Alexei Navalny has made me more and more aware of what is happening in our Country," Trump wrote, appearing to link the death to his own political troubles.


"It is a slow, steady progression, with CROOKED, Radical Left Politicians, Prosecutors, and Judges leading us down a path to destruction. Open Borders, Rigged Elections, and Grossly Unfair Courtroom Decisions are DESTROYING AMERICA. WE ARE A NATION IN DECLINE, A FAILING NATION! MAGA2024"


In contrast, President Joe Biden on Friday directly blamed Putin for Navalny's death in a the penal colony north of the Arctic Circle, as did Trump's main Republican rival, Nikki Haley. "Putin is responsible for Navalny's death," Biden said.
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Old 02-19-2024, 11:52 AM   #3
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To be fair....
Iam no fan of jfk. His Presidency, family and legacy were full of scandals like trump and Biden.
But trumpf is the worst.
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Old 02-19-2024, 12:02 PM   #4
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Kennedy,…..Made his money by inheritance from a criminal enterprise.

Biden…….Made and continues to make his money by extorting cash from foreign Countries with the promise of favorable influence.

Trump….Took a good business in construction and real estate from his father and turned it into a billion dollar empire through hard work and smart business sense.
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This is about leadership.


Which of the above has court judgements ?
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Old 02-19-2024, 12:08 PM   #6
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Kennedy,…..Made his money by inheritance from a criminal

Biden…….Made and continues to make his money by extorting cash from foreign Countries with the promise of favorable influence.
Jackie the first 2 paragraphs I was inspired tears in me eyes. Then the 3rd....
I do respect your opinion! Just needling ya
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Old 02-19-2024, 12:37 PM   #7
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Trump….Took a good business in construction and real estate from his father and turned it into a billion dollar empire through hard work and smart business sense.
HA, Fat Boy Trump took several millions from his dad, and then another 30 million dollar total in loans from several of his bros' and sister; result was he went bankrupt 7 times, put his judge sister is such a financial improper position, that she resigned her position. But continued on to borrow his way into a company that is worth about 2 billion on holdings; Money from oligarchs and junk rated loans; which were obtained by straw purchases and broken promises.


Trump has continuously referred to himself as the “King of Debt,” but the epithet took on a whole new meaning when the Times published three pages of Donald Trump’s tax returns, received in the mail from an anonymous source, detailing a gargantuan loss of $916 million in 1995—enough to avoid paying income taxes for nearly two decades, according to experts. That near-billion-dollar loss might have been the single biggest net operating loss in the country that year," “I was able to use the tax laws in this country and my business acumen to dig out of the real-estate mess—you would call it a depression—when few others were able to do what I did,” he asserted.

That may be so, but it was a mess of Trump’s own making, as further Times investigations make clear. Citing tax documents, interviews, and public records, the paper finds that by 1990 Trump had collected $3.4 billion in debt, of which he was personally liable for $832.5 million. His Atlantic City casinos were bleeding money. Between 1990 and 1991, the Castle casino posted $93.2 million in losses, and in 1991, the Trump Regency hotel and the Trump Plaza casino reported losses of $8.3 million and $29.2 million, respectively. Trump fell on such hard times that he reportedly had to tap into his family’s wealth to get out of the hole. In the early 1990s, Trump’s father, Fred, reportedly sent a lawyer to the Castle casino in Atlantic City to buy $3.3 million worth of chips that went uncashed.


Thanks Pops, but I need more money!!!

As documents obtained by the Times suggest, Trump may be neither as good a businessman nor as rich as he claims. Any confirmation of that thesis would be in line and contrary to his self-made mythos, but also to his ego and personal brand.



Imagine buying a roach infested golf club and private club in Florida, painting shit gold colored and then violating the statutes of use by calling yourself an employee vs a member owner? Yup, that's what you got there. Even the shitty Doral is bleeding cash- and Bedminster has become a place to bury dead wives after they die from some sort of trajedy of blunt trama to the torso. (Likely insured by a fat orange guy for millions) Isn't that a bit odd? She likely threw herself down those fucking steps to get away from the looser that she married, and the constant lies and embarrassment of her ex-husband. However he loved her so much, that she did get to get a permanent tee-time in New Jersey- rain or shine. How lucky!!?

TOTAL model of presidential material there! So self made...such a great negotiator. Couldn't even write his own book, or likely read it. And lets not get started on his new rise in the world of sneaker-dom! So...fucking Presidential.

Phil Nike has a better track-record by far if we're comparing sneaker dudes.
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Trump has zero leadership qualities.


If he had been President during the Cuban missile crisis, the outcome would have been much different.
Trump would have said, "That Khruschev is a genius."
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Old 02-19-2024, 05:29 PM   #10
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Kennedy,…..Made his money by inheritance from a criminal enterprise.

Biden…….Made and continues to make his money by extorting cash from foreign Countries with the promise of favorable influence.

Trump….Took a good business in construction and real estate from his father and turned it into a billion dollar empire through hard work and smart business sense.
Unlike WD, I’ll agree with your take on the Kennedys

But there’s no evidence still on the Bidens.

Trump made his empire stealing from banks and contractors and cheating on his taxes, as you very well know.
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If he had been President during the Cuban missile crisis, the outcome would have been much different.
Trump would have said, "That Khruschev is a genius."
You can't compare Bush, Clinton, Obama Trump or Biden or any future president to JFK. The only one that might remotely come close would be Ronald Reagan.
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For us that lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis, we were told then, and for years, that Kennedy faced down the Soviets and America won.

In a sense, he did. Khrushchev suffered a political catastrophe in his own Country, Brezhnev and the hardliners in the Politburo saw an openning, and they gave ole Nikita the choice of bowing out and disappearing from public life, or a bullet in the back of the head.

He quietly left.

It seems he had made a deal with Kennedy not to crow too much about getting all of our nuclear weapons out of Turkey, and paid the price.

The hard liners believed in not giving an inch, which was the start of their demise. It took decades, and the leadership of Ronald Reagan, and Afghanistan to finally put the last nail it the Thugocracy coffin.

Of course, Reagan didn’t do it by himself. But he did show the importance of having a strong and determined President who was willing to use the power at his disposal to face down a brutal enemy.

The famous line by Reagan given ant the Berlin Wall, …….”Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” is one of the great events in history.

Joe Biden’s inspiring quote…..”Don’t”.
And they did anyway.
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For us that lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis, we were told then, and for years, that Kennedy faced down the Soviets and America won.

In a sense, he did. Khrushchev suffered a political catastrophe in his own Country, Brezhnev and the hardliners in the Politburo saw an openning, and they gave ole Nikita the choice of bowing out and disappearing from public life, or a bullet in the back of the head.

He quietly left.

It seems he had made a deal with Kennedy not to crow too much about getting all of our nuclear weapons out of Turkey, and paid the price.

The hard liners believed in not giving an inch, which was the start of their demise. It took decades, and the leadership of Ronald Reagan, and Afghanistan to finally put the last nail it the Thugocracy coffin.

Of course, Reagan didn’t do it by himself. But he did show the importance of having a strong and determined President who was willing to use the power at his disposal to face down a brutal enemy.

The famous line by Reagan given ant the Berlin Wall, …….”Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” is one of the great events in history.

Joe Biden’s inspiring quote…..”Don’t”.
And they did anyway.
Kennedy was the real deal. He took good care of the country.
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Old 02-19-2024, 06:08 PM   #14
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Trump has zero leadership qualities.

If he had been President during the Cuban missile crisis, the outcome would have been much different.

Trump would have said, "That Khruschev is a genius."
Lol.

To follow your "what if" historical postulations, let's not overlook Obama when it comes to leadership qualities!

If he had been POTUS after Pearl Harbor, the "outcome (of WW2) would have been much different".

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Kennedy Obama Clinton all finished way ahead of trumpy in a recent poll. Hell even a sleep at the wheel Ronnie (what rhe fuck is an iran contra) beat the last place loser. Ronnie had a Nixon plumber working for him and probably didn't even know it. That's just how the gop always be
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