More Evidence Emerges Confirming Covid Lab-Leak Theory, But Corporate Media Stay Silent

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

The pharmaceuticals developed by multiple companies did not protect one from infection nor did they keep one from being an infectious carrier of the contagion. As to efficacy, whatever effect the shots did have in ameliorating the symptoms of the disease wore off quickly....
However, for government agencies and medical professionals in government to continue to refer to these pharmaceuticals as "Vaccines" is disingenuous and misleading to the point of being a deliberate dissemination of misinformation and untruths . . .in other words, a lie.

The preceding is fiction.

See this link for the effectiveness in preventing infection, from a paper published in February, 2023:

28 RCTs (n=286 915 in vaccination groups and n=233 236 in placebo groups; median follow-up 1–6 months after last vaccination) across 32 publications were included in this review. The combined efficacy of full vaccination was 44·5% (95% CI 27·8–57·4) for preventing asymptomatic infections, 76·5% (69·8–81·7) for preventing symptomatic infections, 95·4% (95% credible interval 88·0–98·7) for preventing hospitalisation, 90·8% (85·5–95·1) for preventing severe infection, and 85·8% (68·7–94·6) for preventing death.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...390-1/fulltext

See this link from May, 2023, for long term effectiveness in preventing certain symptoms, like death:

We screened 16 696 records at the title and abstract level, appraised 832 (5·0%) full texts, and initially included 73 (0·4%) studies. Of these, we excluded five (7%) studies because of critical risk of bias, leaving 68 (93%) studies that were extracted for analysis. For infections caused by any SARS-CoV-2 strain, vaccine effectiveness for the primary series reduced from 83% (95% CI 80–86) at baseline (14–42 days) to 62% (53–69) by 112–139 days. Vaccine effectiveness at baseline was 92% (88–94) for hospitalisations and 91% (85–95) for mortality, and reduced to 79% (65–87) at 224–251 days for hospitalisations and 86% (73–93) at 168–195 days for mortality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9917454/

See this link from May, 2023 for effectiveness of COVID vaccines in preventing transmission of alpha, delta and omicron variants.

For primary BNT162b2-vaccination we estimated initial vaccine effectiveness against transmission (VET) at 96% (95%CI 95–97) against Alpha, 87% (95%CI 84–88) against Delta and 31% (95%CI 25–37) against Omicron. Initial VET of booster-vaccination (mRNA primary and booster-vaccination) was 87% (95%CI 86–89) against Delta and 68% (95%CI 65–70) against Omicron. The VET-estimate against Delta and Omicron decreased to 71% (95%CI 64–78) and 55% (95%CI 46–62) respectively, 150–200 days after booster-vaccination.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10073587/

It would be interesting to know when you got your COVID shots and when you came down with the disease. If you just got two shots in the first half of 2021 and then got the disease in 2023 then you weren't following the CDC guidelines for boosters. The immunity provided from the shots, or from an episode of the disease, becomes weaker with time, as you well know.

And as to the Orwellian nature of the alleged "change" in the CDC's definition of vaccine, here's what the definition was in 2019:

A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

Here's what it is now:

A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.

Yeah it changed, but so what. The original definition fits what the COVID vaccine does. The flu vaccine in many or most years is less effective than the COVID vaccine. But we've still always called it a vaccine.

Here's the definition of immunity from a biology dictionary. If you read the CDC's original definition of "vaccine" in the this context, you shouldn't have a problem with the definition of vaccine:

Immunity is the ability of the body to defend itself against disease-causing organisms. Everyday our body comes in contact with several pathogens, but only a few results into diseases. The reason is, our body has the ability to release antibodies against these pathogens and protects the body against diseases. This defence mechanism is called immunity.

https://byjus.com/biology/immunity/#

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

And the dummies who did not get the injections died at a much higher rate than those who did get the injections.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ination-status

No they didn't. There is no scientific proof to prove that.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

No they didn't. There is no scientific proof to prove that.

There is proof for two things.

1. Most of the one million people who died from CoVid (or infection from SARS_CoV2 virus) were UNVACCINATED people.

2. There were very FEW Breakhtrough deaths of people who were fully vaccinated (plus up to date with their boosters) who got CoVid and still died. Their immune system could not make the antibody to fight off the disease. Which was the goal of the message in the M_RNA. (Messenger - Ribose Nucleic Acid).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The preceding is fiction.

See this link for the effectiveness in preventing infection, from a paper published in February, 2023:

28 RCTs (n=286 915 in vaccination groups and n=233 236 in placebo groups; median follow-up 1–6 months after last vaccination) across 32 publications were included in this review. The combined efficacy of full vaccination was 44·5% (95% CI 27·8–57·4) for preventing asymptomatic infections, 76·5% (69·8–81·7) for preventing symptomatic infections, 95·4% (95% credible interval 88·0–98·7) for preventing hospitalisation, 90·8% (85·5–95·1) for preventing severe infection, and 85·8% (68·7–94·6) for preventing death.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...390-1/fulltext

See this link from May, 2023, for long term effectiveness in preventing certain symptoms, like death:

We screened 16 696 records at the title and abstract level, appraised 832 (5·0%) full texts, and initially included 73 (0·4%) studies. Of these, we excluded five (7%) studies because of critical risk of bias, leaving 68 (93%) studies that were extracted for analysis. For infections caused by any SARS-CoV-2 strain, vaccine effectiveness for the primary series reduced from 83% (95% CI 80–86) at baseline (14–42 days) to 62% (53–69) by 112–139 days. Vaccine effectiveness at baseline was 92% (88–94) for hospitalisations and 91% (85–95) for mortality, and reduced to 79% (65–87) at 224–251 days for hospitalisations and 86% (73–93) at 168–195 days for mortality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9917454/

See this link from May, 2023 for effectiveness of COVID vaccines in preventing transmission of alpha, delta and omicron variants.

For primary BNT162b2-vaccination we estimated initial vaccine effectiveness against transmission (VET) at 96% (95%CI 95–97) against Alpha, 87% (95%CI 84–88) against Delta and 31% (95%CI 25–37) against Omicron. Initial VET of booster-vaccination (mRNA primary and booster-vaccination) was 87% (95%CI 86–89) against Delta and 68% (95%CI 65–70) against Omicron. The VET-estimate against Delta and Omicron decreased to 71% (95%CI 64–78) and 55% (95%CI 46–62) respectively, 150–200 days after booster-vaccination.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10073587/

It would be interesting to know when you got your COVID shots and when you came down with the disease. If you just got two shots in the first half of 2021 and then got the disease in 2023 then you weren't following the CDC guidelines for boosters. The immunity provided from the shots, or from an episode of the disease, becomes weaker with time, as you well know.

And as to the Orwellian nature of the alleged "change" in the CDC's definition of vaccine, here's what the definition was in 2019:

A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

Here's what it is now:

A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.

Yeah it changed, but so what. The original definition fits what the COVID vaccine does. The flu vaccine in many or most years is less effective than the COVID vaccine. But we've still always called it a vaccine.

Here's the definition of immunity from a biology dictionary. If you read the CDC's original definition of "vaccine" in the this context, you shouldn't have a problem with the definition of vaccine:

Immunity is the ability of the body to defend itself against disease-causing organisms. Everyday our body comes in contact with several pathogens, but only a few results into diseases. The reason is, our body has the ability to release antibodies against these pathogens and protects the body against diseases. This defence mechanism is called immunity.

https://byjus.com/biology/immunity/#

+1

Excellent post Tiny! You are still tied for first place as the best amateur Virologist on ECCIE.NET.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

There is proof for two things.

1. Most of the one million people who died from CoVid (or infection from SARS_CoV2 virus) were UNVACCINATED people.

2. There were very FEW Breakhtrough deaths of people who were fully vaccinated (plus up to date with their boosters) who got CoVid and still died. Their immune system could not make the antibody to fight off the disease. Which was the goal of the message in the M_RNA. (Messenger - Ribose Nucleic Acid).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html

What Biological Mechanism is responsible for this claim?

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

What Biological Mechanism is responsible for this claim?

Claim # 1 or #2 or both?

The message in the M-RNA teaches your immune system to make the SPIKE protein component of the SARS_CoV2 virus(the dominant strain at the time the M-RNA was made). Your body then starts to make antibodies for that SPIKE Protein component. IF/When you get infected with SARS_COV2 virus your system will release the antibodies to fight off CoVid. This is only good for the dominant strain that is in circulation at the time. In a new dominant strain of SARS_COV2 the spike protein component will have changed via mutation. Thus a booster would be needed to protect you from the new strain that changed.

Older people (Age > 75) who have trouble making complex proteins won't be able to make the antibody to the SPIKE protein, even though they were given the M-RNA shot.

Note: Most people in other age groups can make the antibody to SARS_COV2 without M-RNA shot. Thus the death rate for SARS_COV2 is only 1%. IF all 300 million (unvaccinated) people got infected with SARS_COV2 you would have about 3 million deaths. Only 70% of the USA poulation got infected with SARS_COV2 thus there were only 1 million plus deaths. When there was no vaccine
(it had not rolled out yet) some people got the Regeneron antibodies like Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Claim # 1 or #2 or both?

The message in the M-RNA teaches your immune system to make the SPIKE protein component of the SARS_CoV2 virus(the dominant strain at the time the M-RNA was made). Your body then starts to make antibodies for that SPIKE Protein component. IF/When you get infected with SARS_COV2 virus your system will release the antibodies to fight off CoVid. This is only good for the dominant strain that is in circulation at the time. In a new dominant strain of SARS_COV2 the spike protein component will have changed via mutation. Thus a booster would be needed to protect you from the new strain that changed. Read the book "The Poison Needle" by Eleanor Bean and you might learn how ridiculous that statement is.

Older people (Age > 75) who have trouble making complex proteins won't be able to make the antibody to the SPIKE protein, even though they were given the M-RNA shot.

Note: Most people in other age groups can make the antibody to SARS_COV2 without M-RNA shot. Thus the death rate for SARS_COV2 is only 1%. IF all 300 million (unvaccinated) people got infected with SARS_COV2 you would have about 3 million deaths. Only 70% of the USA poulation got infected with SARS_COV2 thus there were only 1 million plus deaths. When there was no vaccine
(it had not rolled out yet) some people got the Regeneron antibodies like Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson.

Oh Bullshit. The immune system doesn't need to be taught. That's the oldest trick in the book to get people to believe they need vaccines.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Oh Bullshit. The immune system doesn't need to be taught. That's the oldest trick in the book to get people to believe they need vaccines.

It's not bullshit, it's just science that you don't understand. If the immune system does not need any help, why did 1 million plus unvaccinated people die after getting infected with SARS_COV2?

If the immune system doesn't need any help, why did Dr. Ben Carson make a phone call to former President Donald Trump to get approved for getting the Regeneron antibody treatment? When Trump and Dr Ben Carson got the Regeneron antibodies, it had not been approved by the FDA yet.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/polit...ate/index.html

From the link:

Carson 69, was among the latest Trump administration officials or campaign advisers who have tested positive for Covid-19. Carson tested positive last Monday at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

In a Facebook post Friday giving an update on his condition, Carson shared that he was “extremely sick” with the virus and that he initially saw “dramatic improvement” from a product he took, which is not FDA-approved or a proven treatment for Covid-19.

“However, I have several co-morbidities and after a brief period when I only experienced minor discomfort, the symptoms accelerated and I became desperately ill,” Carson wrote.

Carson claimed that President Donald Trump was monitoring his condition and cleared the secretary to receive a monoclonal antibody therapy given to Trump in October when he was diagnosed with Covid.

Carson wrote that he believes the treatment saved his life.

“President Trump, the fabulous White House medical team, and the phenomenal doctors at Walter Reed have been paying very close attention to my health and I do believe I am out of the woods at this point,” he added.

@Lev17, you post that the immunity system never needs any help, the above is evidence that a famous doctor with an MD degree would disagree with you.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

It's not bullshit, it's just science that you don't understand. If the immune system does not need any help, why did 1 million plus unvaccinated people die after getting infected with SARS_COV2?

If the immune system doesn't need any help, why did Dr. Ben Carson make a phone call to former President Donald Trump to get approved for getting the Regeneron antibody treatment? When Trump and Dr Ben Carson got the Regeneron antibodies, it had not been approved by the FDA yet.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/polit...ate/index.html

From the link:

Carson 69, was among the latest Trump administration officials or campaign advisers who have tested positive for Covid-19. Carson tested positive last Monday at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

In a Facebook post Friday giving an update on his condition, Carson shared that he was “extremely sick” with the virus and that he initially saw “dramatic improvement” from a product he took, which is not FDA-approved or a proven treatment for Covid-19.

“However, I have several co-morbidities and after a brief period when I only experienced minor discomfort, the symptoms accelerated and I became desperately ill,” Carson wrote.

Carson claimed that President Donald Trump was monitoring his condition and cleared the secretary to receive a monoclonal antibody therapy given to Trump in October when he was diagnosed with Covid.

Carson wrote that he believes the treatment saved his life.

“President Trump, the fabulous White House medical team, and the phenomenal doctors at Walter Reed have been paying very close attention to my health and I do believe I am out of the woods at this point,” he added.

@Lev17, you post that the immunity system never needs any help, the above is evidence that a famous doctor with an MD degree would disagree with you.

How can injecting a substance which is mostly toxic into a muscle going to train the human immune system to recognize and prevent a viral infection? Secondly injections by pass the immune system all together with substances the body can't even use to enhance or aid the immune system to combat a disease.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

It's not bullshit, it's just science that you don't understand. If the immune system does not need any help, why did 1 million plus unvaccinated people die after getting infected with SARS_COV2?

If the immune system doesn't need any help, why did Dr. Ben Carson make a phone call to former President Donald Trump to get approved for getting the Regeneron antibody treatment? When Trump and Dr Ben Carson got the Regeneron antibodies, it had not been approved by the FDA yet.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/polit...ate/index.html

From the link:

Carson 69, was among the latest Trump administration officials or campaign advisers who have tested positive for Covid-19. Carson tested positive last Monday at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

In a Facebook post Friday giving an update on his condition, Carson shared that he was “extremely sick” with the virus and that he initially saw “dramatic improvement” from a product he took, which is not FDA-approved or a proven treatment for Covid-19.

“However, I have several co-morbidities and after a brief period when I only experienced minor discomfort, the symptoms accelerated and I became desperately ill,” Carson wrote.

Carson claimed that President Donald Trump was monitoring his condition and cleared the secretary to receive a monoclonal antibody therapy given to Trump in October when he was diagnosed with Covid.

Carson wrote that he believes the treatment saved his life.

“President Trump, the fabulous White House medical team, and the phenomenal doctors at Walter Reed have been paying very close attention to my health and I do believe I am out of the woods at this point,” he added.

@Lev17, you post that the immunity system never needs any help, the above is evidence that a famous doctor with an MD degree would disagree with you.

Carson was a government official at the time and was granted this treatment because he was a government official


1 million people didn't die of covid. that false number has been debunked repeatedly here in this forum by me and several others


maybe 100,000 died directly of covid


the numbers were cooked on purpose to create the "fear factor" to induce the public to take a vaccine that is designed to INCREASE infections not prevent them.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Carson was a government official at the time and was granted this treatment because he was a government official



1 million people didn't die of covid. that false number has been debunked repeatedly here in this forum by me and several others


maybe 100,000 died directly of covid



the numbers were cooked on purpose to create the "fear factor" to induce the public to take a vaccine that is designed to INCREASE infections not prevent them.

You're as numerate as any poster on here, so I won't waste time with explanation. Please see

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-since-1990/

Please note that (3.38 - 2.85) + (3.46 - 2.85) + (3.27-2.85) = 1.56 million excess deaths in 2020, 2021 and 2022 over the 2019 level. Besides population growth, which accounts for a small part of the 1.56 million, how do you explain this?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

You're as numerate as any poster on here, so I won't waste time with explanation. Please see

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-since-1990/

Please note that (3.38 - 2.85) + (3.46 - 2.85) + (3.27-2.85) = 1.56 million excess deaths in 2020, 2021 and 2022 over the 2019 level. Besides population growth, how do you explain this?

i can't see your graph it wants me to login. i won't bother.

Statista Accounts: Access All Statistics. Starting from $1,788 USD / Year


do you really pay nearly 2k to access this site? i wouldn't.

and i don't bother to explain "excess deaths" until someone can explain this


We are overcounting covid deaths and hospitalizations. That’s a problem.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-overcounting/


Dying ‘due to’ or ‘with’ COVID-19: a cause of death analysis in hospitalised patients

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539724/


COVID death tolls: scientists acknowledge errors in WHO estimates

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01526-0


call it a "mistake" or whatever, the covid death count was massively over-counted. on purpose.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

i can't see your graph it wants me to login. i won't bother.

Statista Accounts Access All Statistics. Starting from $1,788 USD / Year


do you really pay nearly 2k to access this site? i wouldn't.

and i don't bother to explain "excess deaths" until someone can explain this


We are overcounting covid deaths and hospitalizations. That’s a problem.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-overcounting/


Dying ‘due to’ or ‘with’ COVID-19: a cause of death analysis in hospitalised patients

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539724/


COVID death tolls: scientists acknowledge errors in WHO estimates

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01526-0

call it a "mistake" or whatever, the covid death count was massively over-counted. on purpose.

If you can figure out a way to like one of my posts five times*, you can darn sure figure out a way to delete cookies from your browser history or use a VPN so you can see info on Statista.com for free more than once a month. Just like I did with your Washington Post link. I have no problem with what's in that link btw. By 2023, COVID was a lot less lethal than it was in 2020. Hospitals knew how to treat it better than previously. We had Paxlovid, which was a gamechanger. The symptoms weren't as severe because everybody already had immunity from infection and vaccination. Eyecu2 posted a link somewhere showing how the death rate for people hospitalized with COVID declined massively as time progressed, to a small fraction of what it was early on. So yes, it's reasonable to believe the majority of deaths of hospitalized patients diagnosed with COVID are not from COVID any longer.

Your second link describes 162 patients with positive COVID tests who died in Leeds, England, and 150 of the deaths were attributed to COVID. They say that

This retrospective review of cause of death has demonstrated that the overwhelming majority of hospitalised patients with positive SARS-CoV-2 PCR died as a direct consequence of COVID-19 infection.

So they appear to contradict your point.

The third link describes a cut in Germany's estimated pandemic-related deaths by 37%, and an increase in Sweden's by 19%. And says that the number of excess deaths worldwide because of the pandemic, in a WHO report issued on May 5, 2022, was between 13.3 million and 16.6 million worldwide, roughly 2.5X the number of reported COVID-19 deaths. This would imply many countries (not necessarily the USA, more likely 3rd world countries which weren't testing) were undercounting COVID deaths. Again, this would appear to contradict your point.

Now that I've bothered to explain your links, can you please explain the excess deaths? In case you really can't see the Statista graph, here are total deaths in the USA by year,

2016 2.74 million
2017 2.81 million
2018 2.84 million
2019 2.85 million
2020 3.38 million
2021 3.46 million
2022 3.27 million



*This is impressive. I just jumped through hoops trying to "like" your post multiple times and could only get up to two.

[ICU 812]

Fauci goes before a House committee this week.

Efery time he te4stifies, he reminds me of a kid trying to explain his way out of trouble. . .. knowing you he has been caught.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

How can injecting a substance which is mostly toxic into a muscle going to train the human immune system to recognize and prevent a viral infection? Secondly injections by pass the immune system all together with substances the body can't even use to enhance or aid the immune system to combat a disease.

You should have seen this is your Biology 101 class.

DNA -----> RNA -----> Proteins

Antibodies ARE proteins. The antibody does not prevent disease, it fights or neutralizes disease to the point where the patient or infected person no longer shows symptoms. With SARS_CoV2 if your body can control or neutralize the spike protein component of the virus you will control the virus and clear the disease. This is done when the immune system of your body makes the antibody to SARS_COV2.

The message in the M-RNA shot that Moderna and Pfizer manufactured is a specific sequence of amino acids for the SPIKE protein. Although its injected into the muscle it will get into the blood stream. The immune system is then triggered to start making antibodies for the SPIKE protein component of SARS_COV2. The antibodies will fight off and and clear the disease caused by infection of SARS-CoV2 virus (also called CoVid19).

Trump and Dr Ben Carson both got infected with SARS_COV2 before the M_RNA vaccines were rolled out. Their immune system could not make the antibody to the SARS_COV2. They were both given the Regeneron antibodies. This treatment allowed both to recover from CO_VID.