Ray Epps update on conspiracy theory

[VitaMan]

Too many false statements, Salty.

Epps was not obviously working as a government agent.

You say you know what is on the video (that may not even exist). But the video has not been released to the public (again your statement).

If the video has not been released, but you know what is on it and seen it....that brings up a whole new conspiracy with you right in the middle of it. Who has been showing you the video, Salty ?

If you haven't seen the video, then you are lying and all your statements about it are false.

[Salty Again]

... Revolver News had a piece that Epps and his mates were
seen moving fencing there at the Capitol. .. Epps can clear
that all up when Congress calls for a new investigation into
the "J6" Committe and what they glossed-over and left out.

So are YOU saying that Ray Epps didn't move any fencing?
And do you believe Epps own accounte of his actions on 5th Jan. ??

Let's view some of Epps' own e-mails from a day or so AFTER
the Capitol protest. ... Are YOU interested in seeing them??

#### Salty

[VitaMan]

Day after day after day......false statements from Salty


Almost as many as Trump. You have learned well.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... First off, leeme say that you have Ryan Samsel's
statement... Is THAT enough for you??

And when did I say that Epps should be taken away and
throw away the key?? ... I'm the bloke telling you that
obviously Epps was working as a government informant,
because he was NOT charged in the same manner that
the lot of others there were. ... And Revolver News
surely feels the same way that I do.

Not looking for heavy charges against Epps - but I AM
looking for fairness - same "fairness" that the other
"J6"ers have faced.

SO WHY are you NOT?

#### Salty

I may have misunderstood. You're not saying that Epps helped instigate the January 6 upheaval at the Capitol when he was already a federal agent or federal asset? You're saying rather that he was a federal informant? If so I owe you an apology. I wouldn't use the word "informant." But if memory serves me correctly, Epps contacted the FBI around January 8, when he first learned he was a target of an investigation, and told them what he knew.

Please note the following.

Epps was prosecuted and is awaiting sentencing for his actions on January 6.

Epps is suing Fox News for calling him a federal agent.

Epps drug his son along to Washington D.C. with him, who also participated in at least one pro Trump protest. They stayed at his son's friend's home.

Epps testified under oath to a Congressional committee that he never worked as an asset for, or an employee of, any federal law enforcement agency.

Reporters have verified that Epps sold his business and home in Arizona and is now in semi-hiding. He's not in the witness protection program.

The above is not consistent with what a federal agent would do, nor with how he would be treated by the court system and law enforcement.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... The Capitol videos show him removing fencing there.
I don't believe they've been released to the public yet.
The Dems and the FBI/DOJ do not want all the videos
from 6th Jan and the day before released... Can't even
get more videos of the Pipe-Bomber.

So Ray Epps was just some innocent fellow who did
nothing wrong at the Capitol?? ... That's your belief?

And WHY you even mention Trump here??
Must surely be because He's Winning.

#### Salty

So, you gonna take his bet or not?

Originally Posted by VitaMan

So the idea is you have the video proof, but can't show it ?

hmmm....reminds me of the Trumpeter saying he has the election fraud proof...but you have to contact his office to see it. Probably would need to make a donation too.

These are exactly the methods used by scammers.

Told you. Always shake my head when people try to give away money based on the honesty of the receivers statements but they won't touch it. Either they hate money or ......

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... So THIS is yer thing, interfering in the discussions
of others?? ... Is it a sad cry for attention??

... I didn't say that "I" have the video footage.
So let's not get silly here. ... Once ALL the Capitol
footage is released - then Tiny and I will see.

Ye Christ! ... It's like joeys in the tacker here.

#### Salty

Let's not let facts get in the way of an "opinion."
Salty says it is opinions that we are here for. Be damned the facts.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Ahhh, I remember the “beat down guy.”...

If a provider can charge a fee for a NCNS, I figure I would since he stood me up countless times. I won't even give him the sweat off my nuts unless he coughs up $10K for wasting my time prior.

Sorta like reading certains postings from people here hoping for the holy grail of truth in what they say

Originally Posted by VitaMan

hmmmm.......it is my thread.


worth repeating:

Using video footage that doesn't exist to try and prove his point about a conspiracy theory that never happened. But Salty knows it exists and what the video contains. He says it will appear one day in the future.


And to clarify, you said this. So.....you have seen the video of this ? You say what is on the video...so you must have seen it.

"... The Capitol videos show him removing fencing there.
I don't believe they've been released to the public yet."

Yupper. They should release ALL the videos UNREDACTED. That would keep you from having to pay off if that happens first.

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Day after day after day......false statements from Salty


Almost as many as Trump. You have learned well.

Tsk tsk

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I may have misunderstood. You're not saying that Epps helped instigate the January 6 upheaval at the Capitol when he was already a federal agent or federal asset? You're saying rather that he was a federal informant? If so I owe you an apology. I wouldn't use the word "informant." But if memory serves me correctly, Epps contacted the FBI around January 8, when he first learned he was a target of an investigation, and told them what he knew.

Please note the following.

Epps was prosecuted and is awaiting sentencing for his actions on January 6.

Epps is suing Fox News for calling him a federal agent.

Epps drug his son along to Washington D.C. with him, who also participated in at least one pro Trump protest. They stayed at his son's friend's home.

Epps testified under oath to a Congressional committee that he never worked as an asset for, or an employee of, any federal law enforcement agency.

Reporters have verified that Epps sold his business and home in Arizona and is now in semi-hiding. He's not in the witness protection program.

The above is not consistent with what a federal agent would do, nor with how he would be treated by the court system and law enforcement.

... There ARE a few interesting things here, mate.

You are showing things you've learned about Epps.
Though I have a few questions and concerns.

WHY would Ray Epps need to sell his house and
go into "hiding"??

Do YOU really trust Epps' testimony in front of
the investigative committee that CANNOT say
IF there were ANY "federal agents or actors
or informants "on the grounds there" on 6 Jan.??

The FBI/DOJ heads won't confirm anything.

You actually expect them to REVEAL the truth
about Ray Epps? ... They won't even confirm
the PipeBomber fron 6 Jan.!

So for me-own eyes - Ray Epps can say whatever
he wants, and the FBI/DOJ can say what they want.

You do understand, Tiny - that the proof of
the pudding will surely be in the eating.

The sentence Ray gets may just tell us the tale.

#### Salty

[VitaMan]

And Salty can say whatever he wants.



He has no proof of anything. Yet continues to hunt Ray Epps. Just like Tucker did.

[Yssup Rider]

And eat whatever pudding he likes …

Still no proof

HAHAHSHSHSHSHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

WHY would Ray Epps need to sell his house and
go into "hiding"??

Salty, You should take a look at Epps' defamation lawsuit against Fox, here:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttoo...ced05/full.pdf

You should read the whole thing given your interest in Epps. But as to your question, see the section titled "Fox's and Mr. Carlson's Lies Have Caused Irreparable Damage" starting on page 30 of the document (page 31 of the .pdf).

The Epps received many threatening voicemails, emails and texts. People began driving past their farm with weapons, shooting onto their property. They found bullet casings in their yard. More than one person threatened to burn their house and inflict bodily harm on them. They got death threats. An individual who was killed after attacking an FBI office bashed Epps on social media.

Take a look at some of the text messages and letters they received.

They ended up having to sell their business and their 4,098 square foot ranch house and move into a 350 square foot RV. They had to "fire sale" a business that was netting $350,000 a year.

Revolver and Tucker Carlson really fucked over the Epps. They fucked over a MAGA Republican, one of their own.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

Do YOU really trust Epps' testimony in front of
the investigative committee that CANNOT say
IF there were ANY "federal agents or actors
or informants "on the grounds there" on 6 Jan.??

Yes. I'm pretty sure he was testifying under penalty of perjury.

[eyecu2]

sadly- the right needs ANY boogeyMan Bubbayaga, or whatever to pin the whole - "They made us do it" narrative. Nobody forced people into the capital. They broke in, caused havoc to stop a government proceeding and trying to at minimum delay the vote, and at a maximum to intimidate Pence etal, into changing or not accepting votes.

The end is what the courts have found to be important. Not the guy who would have said to jump off a cliff...despite many willing jumpers doing just that.

Is Ray Epps supposed to be the government mind control guy who whispers in your ear, and you do exactly what he says?

Dude should open a class on Ho' whispering then!

[VitaMan]

No idea why Salty keeps beating this.....because....even if any proof ever was presented:


Are the Trump supporters that stupid to be led around, riot, and cause damages to government property ?


That is the real question that Salty should answer. Please answer that, Salty, before posting anything further.

[Salty Again]

... I'm having a conversation with Tiny here concerning Ray Epps.
Which WAS the point of the thread - "Ray Epps", yes?

Not sure IF yer constant attacks on me are to try and tilt me
or if you have real issue - if you do, then please take it
up with the Monitours.

#### Salty

[eyecu2]

No problems with you Salty...the fellas just aren't buying what yer selling. Keep on having a great day!

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

No problems with you Salty...the fellas just aren't buying what yer selling. Keep on having a great day!

... Me comments were for Vita there, mate.
You and Tiny can converse in a reasonable manner with me.
Which is what I also try to do with others.
As I am a friendly fellow, as you've surely seen
over in our other forum.

... I believe I'm correct on the Ray Epps issue.
I also believe Revolver News is correct.
While Tiny believes that he is correct.

No shortage of good opinion here.
But constant attacks and jibes have no place in the forum.

### Salty

[VitaMan]

General question:


Are the Trump supporters that stupid to be led around by Ray Epps, riot, and cause damages to government property ?


It's a simple yes or no answer to it.
If yes, then they are not very intelligent. And not surprising Mr. Trump leads them around so easily.
If no, then Ray Epps had nothing to do with their actions.