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Old 04-27-2023, 08:23 AM   #46
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Hitler did everything in his power to eradicate Soviet communism in his country. Soviet communism (socialism is economic, communism is political) was all about the whole world singing in perfect harmony (thanks Coke). Hitler broke from socialism because he was a nationalist and not a globalist. Hence the name of NATIONAL socialism. The goal of socialism is control of the means of production by the masses. No bosses. In Germany, the state heavily advised what private business would or would not do. They let the owners keep the business (the Germans understand efficiency) but told them that tanks not cars would be built this year.

Mussolini defined his party (the fascist party) as a collaboration between business and the state. Kind of like a government telling a social website to sensor something and some people. You've got fascism in Washington DC right now but you won't let yourselves see it.

Read some Ian Kershaw. Probably the most recognized authority on Nazi Germany today. FYI, he thinks Hitler was also a socialist.
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"Nazis wrongly painted as a socialist regime

A little bit of time with a history book or a comparative politics class can save a lot of embarrassment. Despite the posts on social media that claims that the Nazi party were socialists, due to their full name — the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, the assumption is incorrect. This argument has been used to attack socialism through association with Nazi policies. Nazism is fascism and far-right-wing on the political spectrum.

Historians disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism. … Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism.” Or historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.” Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one."

https://www.hjnews.com/opinion/lette...900056308.html
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Old 04-27-2023, 08:33 AM   #47
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The only difference between socialism and fascism is only when the government decides to shoot you or imprison you for not following their economic rules. They both restrict freedoms, and economy is weaker because of it. Try looking at the big picture instead of falling the noise.
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Old 04-27-2023, 08:40 AM   #48
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In other words Stud has no clue what he’s even arguing. I guess that wasn’t a subject on his GED exam.
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In other words Stud has no clue what he’s even arguing. I guess that wasn’t a subject on his GED exam.

You through insults all the time but you clearly know absolutely nothing about economic history.
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Old 04-27-2023, 04:53 PM   #50
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Interesting.

"Nazis wrongly painted as a socialist regime

A little bit of time with a history book or a comparative politics class can save a lot of embarrassment. Despite the posts on social media that claims that the Nazi party were socialists, due to their full name — the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, the assumption is incorrect. This argument has been used to attack socialism through association with Nazi policies. Nazism is fascism and far-right-wing on the political spectrum.

Historians disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism. … Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism.” Or historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.” Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one."

https://www.hjnews.com/opinion/lette...900056308.html
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Hitler cut a deal with the Soviet Union and the communists welcomed it. Once again, socialism is about controlling the means of production whether by direct ownership or control of the owners. Hitler did the latter because the German people were not unsophisticated and would spot the lie. The German people were afraid of Russia, embarrassed by France and England, smarting from the Versailles Treaty and Hitler said he would undo all of it. To cut the amateur political spin, Hitler was a totalitarian plain and simple. Totalitarianism welcomes to it's table communists, socialists, fascists, and every other tin pot dictator. The US almost went that way. FDR lamented that he might be the last elected US president. William Randolph Hearst produced a movie that entertained the notion of a charismatic leader sending the Congress and Supreme Court home in favor of one man rule. Socialists, communists, and nazis were on the rise in the 1930s in the US. Hollywood was doing the bidding of all of them with their script choices, movie productions, and those performers that got black balled on orders from a foreign land. Speaking of which, you lefties are so interested in whether or not Hitler was bad 90 years ago, that you're ignoring China today.
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Old 04-27-2023, 05:40 PM   #51
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you lefties are so interested in whether or not Hitler was bad 90 years ago, that you're ignoring China today.
Have the left EVER not been fond of tyrants?
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The better half of the nation hasn't been fond of Trump.
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