Under the Nazis...

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

The citizens of Ukraine are not Nazis. Every time you repeat Putin's propaganda, you are justifying the attacks on civilian infrastructure, of apartment buildings, of schools, churches, filled with women, children, and the elderly.

Some are, but they are by no means representative of the majority let alone the whole. As such, your point is still valid. This is a molehill being turned into a mountain as part of a blatant exaggeration designed to provide cover for Russia's flagrant abuses.

[Jacuzzme]

You guys think history started in 2020.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

The citizens of Ukraine are not Nazis. Every time you repeat Putin's propaganda, you are justifying the attacks on civilian infrastructure, of apartment buildings, of schools, churches, filled with women, children, and the elderly.

It's not propaganda
It's not from Putin
It's actual facts.
Read some news articles and educate yourself
And stop supporting Nazis

[onawbtngr546]

Originally Posted by berryberry

It's not propaganda
It's not from Putin
It's actual facts.
Read some news articles and educate yourself
And stop supporting Nazis

I'll humor the idea, so let me ask


If Ukraine is in fact a Nazi state, why are no countries (other than Russia) doing anything to stop it?
How was Ukraine a risk to the west, prior to the invasion?
How can you, personally, justify the bombing, murders and war crimes committed against civilians, who have nothing to do with whatever their state is doing?

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

I'll humor the idea, so let me ask


If Ukraine is in fact a Nazi state, why are no countries (other than Russia) doing anything to stop it?
How was Ukraine a risk to the west, prior to the invasion?
How can you, personally, justify the bombing, murders and war crimes committed against civilians, who have nothing to do with whatever their state is doing?

I will be happy to answer but you go first.



Please explain why you think starting a world war with a nuclear power over corrupt Ukraine is a good thing Answer the question in a substantive manner, not the BS about 'damn commies'

[onawbtngr546]

Originally Posted by berryberry

I will be happy to answer but you go first.



Please explain why you think starting a world war with a nuclear power over corrupt Ukraine is a good thing Answer the question in a substantive manner, not the BS about 'damn commies'

Because Russia has already proven that instead of being the 'second most powerful' in the world, that they are running on outdated Soviet tech that is more useful to the farmers in Ukraine capturing their stuff.. If they were a nuclear power, they wouldn't be anymore, considering the state of their army as shown already.
Before Ukraine? No, don't start a war with Russia, that have nukes.
A year after Russia failed to accomplish their agenda, against a much weaker (at the time) force of Ukraine? Doubt they have any ICBMs that can reach us now.

It's clear that even if they did have them, they would had been maintained at the same level of care as the rest of their arms.


So now, a year in? No I don't think we should go to war, but instead help Ukraine fight the shadow war for us. But if they attack anything NATO, then yes, regardless, I think we should finally burn out Russia from the global scene. Because just with Crimea, if Putin got his way, he would take some more land, nobody does anything. Take some more. Then suddenly they'll be rebuilding the Soviet Union and the rest of the west didn't want to say anything to the big Russian bully.


You want another answer? So they finally the dictator gets removed from power in a country which can do the most harm to the rest of the world through not only arms, but energy supply lines. Price of gas? It went up because of Russia. Imagine if they decided to full on hold the world hostage with energy. Everything will be crippled for months.





I will await your answers to MY questions I poised to you before, next.

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

Because Russia has already proven that instead of being the 'second most powerful' in the world, that they are running on outdated Soviet tech that is more useful to the farmers in Ukraine capturing their stuff.. If they were a nuclear power, they wouldn't be anymore, considering the state of their army as shown already.
Before Ukraine? No, don't start a war with Russia, that have nukes.
A year after Russia failed to accomplish their agenda, against a much weaker (at the time) force of Ukraine? Doubt they have any ICBMs that can reach us now.

It's clear that even if they did have them, they would had been maintained at the same level of care as the rest of their arms.


So now, a year in? No I don't think we should go to war, but instead help Ukraine fight the shadow war for us. But if they attack anything NATO, then yes, regardless, I think we should finally burn out Russia from the global scene. Because just with Crimea, if Putin got his way, he would take some more land, nobody does anything. Take some more. Then suddenly they'll be rebuilding the Soviet Union and the rest of the west didn't want to say anything to the big Russian bully.


You want another answer? So they finally the dictator gets removed from power in a country which can do the most harm to the rest of the world through not only arms, but energy supply lines. Price of gas? It went up because of Russia. Imagine if they decided to full on hold the world hostage with energy. Everything will be crippled for months.





I will await your answers to MY questions I poised to you before, next.

You sound.like a kid out of college or you are clueless period.

So because Russia didn't destroy a weaker advisory quickly (hmmm us vs Afghanistan or vietnam) in your mind they no longer are a nuke threat? You doubt they have missiles to reach us?
God... where the hell is your logic?

And stop the gas price blame on Russia. If your memory will allow u, prices were Sky rocketing way before Russia. Invaded Ukraine

[Jacuzzme]

WTF? I don’t think that’s his actual answer, nobody is that obtuse. It takes 1 guy with the willpower and access to launch a nuke. Frankly, if they were actually losing (they’re not), it makes them 10x more dangerous.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

Because Russia has already proven that instead of being the 'second most powerful' in the world, that they are running on outdated Soviet tech that is more useful to the farmers in Ukraine capturing their stuff.. If they were a nuclear power, they wouldn't be anymore, considering the state of their army as shown already.
Before Ukraine? No, don't start a war with Russia, that have nukes.
A year after Russia failed to accomplish their agenda, against a much weaker (at the time) force of Ukraine? Doubt they have any ICBMs that can reach us now.

It's clear that even if they did have them, they would had been maintained at the same level of care as the rest of their arms.


So now, a year in? No I don't think we should go to war, but instead help Ukraine fight the shadow war for us. But if they attack anything NATO, then yes, regardless, I think we should finally burn out Russia from the global scene. Because just with Crimea, if Putin got his way, he would take some more land, nobody does anything. Take some more. Then suddenly they'll be rebuilding the Soviet Union and the rest of the west didn't want to say anything to the big Russian bully.


You want another answer? So they finally the dictator gets removed from power in a country which can do the most harm to the rest of the world through not only arms, but energy supply lines. Price of gas? It went up because of Russia. Imagine if they decided to full on hold the world hostage with energy. Everything will be crippled for months.





I will await your answers to MY questions I poised to you before, next.

What the hell? You can't be serious with that response. And if you are, you are so poorly misinformed that it's sad

Who the hell thinks either Russia doesn't have nukes or if they have them, Russia's nukes won't work so it's ok to go to war with them. I can't believe someone could be so naive and ill informed.

Russia did not attack the USA. Russia did not provoke the USA. On the other hand the USA attacked and blew up Russia's Nordstrom 2 pipeline. The U S A is not the world's policeman. The USA should not get involved in every regional dispute. Fuck Corrupt Ukraine. We owe Ukraine nothing. They were once part of the USSR. Some areas of Ukraine actually favor being part of Russia again. Let Russia and corrupt Ukraine work out their own differences. Fuck giving them Us taxpayer money when we are trillions in debt. Fuck going to war for Ukraine

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

I'll humor the idea, so let me ask


If Ukraine is in fact a Nazi state, why are no countries (other than Russia) doing anything to stop it?
How was Ukraine a risk to the west, prior to the invasion?
How can you, personally, justify the bombing, murders and war crimes committed against civilians, who have nothing to do with whatever their state is doing?

Ok, since you answered the question I posted, albeit so poorly it's hard to believe. I will answer this.

I never said Ukraine is a 100% Nazi state. I said Ukraine has prominent Nazis serving in their military and in other parts of the country. I don't support Nazis. The USA should not be sending taxpayer money to support Nazis.

Ukraine was no risk to the west prior to the invasion. That's part of the point. There is no good reason to defend a corrupt country like Ukraine in a regional dispute.

As to civilians being bombed, hate to break it to you but that's what happens in every war. Doesn't mean the US had to jump in to defend them. They are responsible for their own defense. Are you advocating the USA go into every country that goes to war and protect their citizens?

[bambino]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Ok, since you answered the question I posted, albeit so poorly it's hard to believe. I will answer this.

I never said Ukraine is a 100% Nazi state. I said Ukraine has prominent Nazis serving in their military and in other parts of the country. I don't support Nazis. The USA should not be sending taxpayer money to support Nazis.

Ukraine was no risk to the west prior to the invasion. That's part of the point. There is no good reason to defend a corrupt country like Ukraine in a regional dispute.

As to civilians being bombed, hate to break it to you but that's what happens in every war. Doesn't mean the US had to jump in to defend them. They are responsible for their own defense. Are you advocating the USA go into every country that goes to war and protect their citizens?

Didn’t the US drop two atomic bombs on Japan killing untold innocent people? General Eisenhower was against it. The war was over. Maybe the biggest terrorist act in history.,

[mtnitlion]

Sad day when people try to make trump look like the victim for crimes he committed instead of the perpetrator he is.

[onawbtngr546]

Originally Posted by mtnitlion

Sad day when people try to make trump look like the victim for crimes he committed instead of the perpetrator he is.

'My people have been lost sheep. Their shepherds have lead them astray'

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by mtnitlion

Sad day when people try to make trump look like the victim for crimes he committed instead of the perpetrator he is.

WTF does any of this have to do with Trump? He’s the only President in recent history where Russia didn’t “invade” someone.

Sorry dude, every bit of this ties back to Obama, and other crooked American politicians from both parties.

-We orchestrated the removal of Ukrain’s elected government.
-We destroyed their economy, changing it from a manufacturing powerhouse to service industries reliant on western countries.
-We oversaw an ethnic cleansing campaign, to insure dissidents could never effect an election.
-We sent millions of people fleeing to Russia, seeking asylum.
-We installed a puppet government along the border of a rival nuclear power, greatly increasing the possibility of direct conflict.

In a nutshell, we destroyed democracy in Ukraine, and now want to pretend we are saving it. That propaganda only works on the ignorant and weak-minded, of which there are many.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

WTF does any of this have to do with Trump? He’s the only President in recent history where Russia didn’t “invade” someone.

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It's what the leftists resort to when they have been embarrassed and called out for their ludicrous statements by multiple people on the thread. They try to change the subject.