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Old 11-29-2022, 01:00 PM   #1
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Default Retired Russian general pens open letter, on January 31, 2022, explaining real reasons for invading Ukraine





This open letter was posted on January 31, 2022:

Today humanity lives in anticipation of war. And war is the inevitable loss of life, destruction, suffering of large masses of people, the destruction of the usual way of life, the violation of the vital systems of states and peoples. A big war is a huge tragedy, someone's serious crime. It so happened that Russia was at the center of this impending catastrophe. And, perhaps, this is the first time in its history.

Previously, Russia (USSR) waged forced (just) wars, and, as a rule, when there was no other way out, when the vital interests of the state and society were threatened.

And what threatens the existence of Russia itself today, and are there such threats? It can be argued that there is indeed a threat - the country is on the verge of completing its history. All vital areas, including demography, are steadily degrading, and the rate of population extinction is breaking world records. And degradation is systemic in nature, and in any complex system, the destruction of one of the elements can lead to the collapse of the entire system.

And this, in our opinion, is the main threat to the Russian Federation. But this is a threat of an internal nature, emanating from the model of the state, the quality of power and the state of society. And the reasons for its formation are internal: the unviability of the state model, the complete incapacity and lack of professionalism of the system of power and administration, the passivity and disorganization of society. In this state, any country does not live long.

As for external threats, they are certainly present. But, according to our expert assessment, they are not currently critical, directly threatening the existence of Russian statehood, its vital interests. On the whole, strategic stability is maintained, nuclear weapons are under reliable control, NATO forces are not building up, and they are not showing threatening activity.

Therefore, the situation that is being whipped up around Ukraine is, first of all, artificial, mercenary in nature for some internal forces, including the Russian Federation. As a result of the collapse of the USSR, in which Russia (Yeltsin) took a decisive part, Ukraine became an independent state, a member of the UN, and in accordance with Art. 51 of the UN Charter has the right to individual and collective defense.

The leadership of the Russian Federation has not yet recognized the results of the referendum on the independence of the DPR and LPR, while at the official level more than once, including during the Minsk negotiation process, emphasized the belonging of their territories and population to Ukraine.

It has also been said more than once at a high level about the desire to maintain normal relations with Kiev, without singling out special relations with the DPR and LPR.

The issue of the genocide perpetrated by Kyiv in the southeastern regions was not raised either in the UN or in the OSCE. Naturally, in order for Ukraine to remain a friendly neighbor for Russia, it was necessary for it to demonstrate the attractiveness of the Russian model of the state and the system of power.

But the Russian Federation did not become one, its development model and foreign policy mechanism of international cooperation repel almost all neighbors, and not only the acquisition of Crimea and Sevastopol by Russia and their non-recognition as Russian by the international community (and, therefore, the overwhelming number of states in the world still consider them to belong to Ukraine) convincingly shows the failure of Russian foreign policy, and the unattractiveness of domestic attempts to "love" the Russian Federation and its leadership through an ultimatum and threats of the use of force are senseless and extremely dangerous.

The use of military force against Ukraine, firstly, will call into question the existence of Russia itself as a state; secondly, it will forever make Russians and Ukrainians mortal enemies. Thirdly, there will be thousands (tens of thousands) of dead young, healthy guys on one side and on the other, which will certainly affect the future demographic situation in our dying countries. On the battlefield, if this happens, Russian troops will face not only Ukrainian military personnel, among whom there will be many Russian guys, but also military personnel and equipment from many NATO countries, and the member states of the alliance will be obliged to declare war on Russia.

President of the Republic of Turkey R. Erdogan clearly stated which side Turkey would fight on and it can be assumed that two Turkish field armies and a navy will be ordered to "liberate" the Crimea and Sevastopol and possibly invade the Caucasus.

In addition, Russia will definitely be included in the category of countries that threaten peace and international security, will be subject to the heaviest sanctions, will turn into a pariah of the world community, and will probably be deprived of the status of an independent state.

The president and the government, the Ministry of Defense cannot fail to understand such consequences, they are not so stupid.

The question arises: what are the true goals of provoking tension on the brink of war, and the possible unleashing of large-scale hostilities? And that there will be, says the number and combat composition of the groupings of troops formed by the parties - no less than one hundred thousand servicemen from each side. Russia, exposing the eastern borders, is transferring formations to the borders of Ukraine.

In our opinion, the country's leadership, realizing that it is not capable of leading the country out of the systemic crisis, and this can lead to an uprising of the people and a change of power in the country, with the support of the oligarchy, corrupt officials, lured media and security forces, decided to activate the political line for the final destruction Russian statehood and the extermination of the indigenous population of the country.

And war is the means that will solve this problem in order to retain its anti-national power for a while and preserve the wealth stolen from the people. We cannot suggest any other explanation.

From the President of the Russian Federation, we are officers of Russia, we demand to abandon the criminal policy of provoking a war in which the Russian Federation will find itself alone against the united forces of the West, to create conditions for the implementation of Art. 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and resign.

We appeal to all retired and retired military personnel, citizens of Russia with a recommendation to be vigilant, organized, support the demands of the Council of the All-Russian Officers' Assembly, actively oppose propaganda and unleashing a war, and prevent an internal civil conflict with the use of military force.

http://ooc.su/news/obrashhenie_obshh...2-01-31-79-0-1
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Yet many in this forum support, Trump and Putin and the destruction of Ukraine.
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Yet many in this forum support, Trump and Putin and the destruction of Ukraine.

you keep claiming Trump would have "given" Putin Ukraine. what evidence beyond your personal opinion and clear disdain for Trump do you have to offer?

Obama: Putin annexes Crimea.
Trump: Putin does nothing.
Biden: Putin invades Ukraine.


explain that. and if you think Ukraine is some bastion of democracy we need to waste billions to save you must have missed the memo that Ukraine under Zenlensky was derided as a anti-free press dictator until Putin invaded then he was immediately hailed as a martyr (which he should be after we kill him for trying to cause WWIII to save his sorry ass corrupt country). NOT!


let's recap then .. shall we?


Ukraine's crackdown on media, assembly violates rights - U.N.

https://www.reuters.com/article/ukra...-idUSL8N2T01YG


How Zelensky's administration moves to dismantle press freedom in Ukraine


https://kyivindependent.com/national...dom-in-ukraine


Is Zelensky’s party crackdown his first mistake?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...first-mistake/


and now ...

Zelensky emerges as global hero in Ukraine battle against Russia


https://thehill.com/policy/internati...gainst-russia/


Ukraine's Heroic Zelensky Unites Divided Americans Against Putin

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-pre...ricans-1683133


others disagree with the "hero of Ukraine" ...


Whitewashing Ukraine’s Corruption

https://www.cato.org/commentary/whit...es-corruption#


Corruption concerns involving Ukraine are revived as the war with Russia drags on

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/20/11124...russia-drags-o


so do your homework son. and see what Z really is .. and why we should continue to support one corrupt dictator because we dislike the other corrupt dictator more?

isn't this the exact same shit the US has done for decades and some former prez named Trump claimed we should stop doing?


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Obama: I mind my manners
Trump: I cut a big nasty FART
Biden: I mind my manners
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Obama: I mind my manners
Trump: I cut a big nasty FART
Biden: I mind my manners

welcome to the political forum Ed. now explain ...

Obama: Putin annexes Crimea.
Trump: Putin does nothing.
Biden: Putin invades Ukraine.


are ya ok with Biden dropping 70 BILLION on a corrupt dictator because another corrupt dictator invaded the other corrupt dictator's corrupt country?


no this isn't a trick question.
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Yet many in this forum support, Trump and Putin and the destruction of Ukraine.
They must have recorded the last May Day in Moscow.
Ima sure next years parade won't last as long since the previous years rolling displays have been used, if working.

Article essentially says that the hub bub is occurring currently because donny rolled over and exposed his white belly to putty. Hence, it cost the dictator nothing not worrying about his flanks. That changed when a non-compliant to his wishes admin came next.
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two words.

politico. liberal. nonsense.

okay that's three words but who's counting?

as VM likes to say ....

consider the source.


https://www.allsides.com/news-source...ico-media-bias


Politico has a Lean Left AllSides Media Bias Rating™.

Politico displays a Lean Left bias primarily through an overall tilt in coverage that focuses more on issues of importance to people on the political left, and sometimes describes issues in ways that match the left perspective. However, sometimes Politico also has Center bias indicators, either by balancing left and right perspectives in a story, focusing on angles that other Lean Left-rated outlets are not, or by highlighting some stories more of interest to the right.
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So, why did you use politico as a link if they aren't to your liking.

Yes, they lean to one side. Using a site we both like, a grapic:



What you neglect to bring up, is the "quality" of the factual content. Rolling that beautiful bean footage:


Now for foxy news:



So, if you are using how far one swings from center, than foxy is bending over backwards compared to politico.
I'd rather put gravitas in the fact content printed than how many sheeple are on the nielsons. That would be a fastfood comparison of Micky Dees: Most burgers served, but let's not tell about the health of those eating them most.
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So, why did you use politico as a link if they aren't to your liking.

Yes, they lean to one side. Using a site we both like, a grapic:



What you neglect to bring up, is the "quality" of the factual content. Rolling that beautiful bean footage:


Now for foxy news:



So, if you are using how far one swings from center, than foxy is bending over backwards compared to politico.
I'd rather put gravitas in the fact content printed than how many sheeple are on the nielsons. That would be a fastfood comparison of Micky Dees: Most burgers served, but let's not tell about the health of those eating them most.

i didn't. you did.


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welcome to the political forum Ed. now explain ...

Obama: Putin annexes Crimea.
Trump: Putin does nothing.
Biden: Putin invades Ukraine.


are ya ok with Biden dropping 70 BILLION on a corrupt dictator because another corrupt dictator invaded the other corrupt dictator's corrupt country?


no this isn't a trick question.
actually, trump lobbed a few missiles at putins mercenaries in syria.
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actually, trump lobbed a few missiles at putins mercenaries in syria.

of course he did. and the far left called him a warmongering tyrant for it. if Biden had done it they'd want him sainted by Poop Francis

no that's not a typo

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i didn't. you did.
You are correct. I did.
Eye to brain to keyboard filter full of lint there.
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you keep claiming Trump would have "given" Putin Ukraine. what evidence beyond your personal opinion and clear disdain for Trump do you have to offer?

Obama: Putin annexes Crimea.
Trump: Putin does nothing.
Biden: Putin invades Ukraine.


explain that. and if you think Ukraine is some bastion of democracy we need to waste billions to save you must have missed the memo that Ukraine under Zenlensky was derided as a anti-free press dictator until Putin invaded then he was immediately hailed as a martyr (which he should be after we kill him for trying to cause WWIII to save his sorry ass corrupt country). NOT!


let's recap then .. shall we?


Ukraine's crackdown on media, assembly violates rights - U.N.

https://www.reuters.com/article/ukra...-idUSL8N2T01YG


How Zelensky's administration moves to dismantle press freedom in Ukraine


https://kyivindependent.com/national...dom-in-ukraine


Is Zelensky’s party crackdown his first mistake?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...first-mistake/


and now ...

Zelensky emerges as global hero in Ukraine battle against Russia


https://thehill.com/policy/internati...gainst-russia/


Ukraine's Heroic Zelensky Unites Divided Americans Against Putin

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-pre...ricans-1683133


others disagree with the "hero of Ukraine" ...


Whitewashing Ukraine’s Corruption

https://www.cato.org/commentary/whit...es-corruption#


Corruption concerns involving Ukraine are revived as the war with Russia drags on

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/20/11124...russia-drags-o


so do your homework son. and see what Z really is .. and why we should continue to support one corrupt dictator because we dislike the other corrupt dictator more?

isn't this the exact same shit the US has done for decades and some former prez named Trump claimed we should stop doing?


bahahahahhaaaa
Like I said...Trump and his supporters like you would have conceded Ukraine to Russia long ago.

Thank you valued poster for your conformation

If you do not understand the value of Europe staying in our sphere of influence, explaining Ukraine is a waste of time with you.

For my brevity...you can get someone to read the below link to you and another to explain it to you....then and only then should you get back with me.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/united...xceed-its-cost
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Hey Waco Kid thanks for the welcome! Maybe Putin invaded Ukraine because they didn't help him re-elect Trump. i can only guess because i can't read his mind. I'm guessing you need to have more SEX to get your mind off this shit we can't control.
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