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Old 10-20-2021, 02:32 PM   #61
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Oh and less I forget to say, YES every single one of those so called protesters attempting to enter/ destroy a Federal Building, assaulting police, should have been shot dead and if the shooting of Babbitt was justified on the grounds of "illegally entering", then YES shooting someone breaking into a store to steal, should be shot the second they enter illegally.
If a Police Officer fears for his life or those in his circle of protection...he has a rather long leash of latitude.

Trump sent those nuts down there with the promise he would meet them there.
Then he leaves them to do his dirty work. Pitiful
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Old 10-20-2021, 02:33 PM   #62
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J - I was not military - what is ROE??


And - Yes - teh DPST party has made it a war for teh Freedom of America!
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ROE = rules of engagement. Aka when you can engage the enemy without ending up in Leavenworth.
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Old 10-20-2021, 04:14 PM   #64
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Add yr to those who hate representative democracy, and Equality for all under a rule of law.

Sad!


Ashley Babbit was callously murdered - an unarmed woman shot in teh head at close range - by a Capitol police officer who is protected from consequences of his murder by political force of a subverted DOJ and corrupt criminal fiden administration.


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Byrd fired one shot, striking Babbitt in the shoulder
.NOT THE HEAD
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Please - cease the insulting, demeaning insults!

You continually call anyone that doesn't agree with you a marxist or DPST or whatever new term you have chosen for the week-- yet if anyone gives back to you what you give to others... they need to cease the insulting, demeaning insults.


You are a prime example of the hypocrisy.



My original response on this thread was in regards to why we hold one group to one set of standards and other groups to other sets of standards-- depending where they all are on the spectrum.



I had issues with the protests that went from being peaceful to being lawless. I also have issues with the protestors that chose to storm a secure facility.



I'm also a firm believer in the mantra of "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". If you don't go around doing things you KNOW are against the law and could result in injury or death... guess what won't happen. That applies whether we're talking Michael Brown or Ashlie Babbitt.
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It's a tragedy she died. You have a rabid crowd, about to break down a door that's between them and the Congressmen and staffers. Maybe Mike Pence is back there somewhere, the guy they say they want to hang from a tree. One of the crowd is yelling "Fuck the Blue." Another crawls through a window, and to the cop it looks like she's the first of many who are about to come pouring into the hallway. So he shoots her. Well, shit happens.

I definitely don't believe the officer deserves criminal punishment. Maybe he doesn't even deserve to be disciplined or moved to a position behind a desk. He was doing his job. Perhaps that's just me though. I don't believe the National Guardsmen at Kent State deserved prosecution either.
Capital Police got a lot of Criticism from Maxine Waters and Joe Biden. Joe Biden said if the Rioters were members of BLM things would have been different. I guess he meant the rioters would have been prevented from entering the Capital or worse they would have been shot on sight.
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Capital Police got a lot of Criticism from Maxine Waters and Joe Biden. Joe Biden said if the Rioters were members of BLM things would have been different. I guess he meant the rioters would have been prevented from entering the Capital or worse they would have been shot on sight.



I think the statement is based on the response that Capitol Police had to the BLM protest in June of last year and their method of "clearing" Lafayette park. Interest of fairness, I don't believe anyone died during that incident.


The bigger glaring difference was the response of Trump himself... who declared that there needed to be "total domination" over the protesters and rioters back in June-- but who delayed even deploying the guard in January.



I honestly don't think its an issue with the Capitol Police-- but rather an issue of who is giving the orders and when.
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I think the statement is based on the response that Capitol Police had to the BLM protest in June of last year and their method of "clearing" Lafayette park. Interest of fairness, I don't believe anyone died during that incident.


The bigger glaring difference was the response of Trump himself... who declared that there needed to be "total domination" over the protesters and rioters back in June-- but who delayed even deploying the guard in January.



I honestly don't think its an issue with the Capitol Police-- but rather an issue of who is giving the orders and when.
Who was giving orders?
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Capital Police got a lot of Criticism from Maxine Waters and Joe Biden. Joe Biden said if the Rioters were members of BLM things would have been different. I guess he meant the rioters would have been prevented from entering the Capital or worse they would have been shot on sight.
Despite LexusLover’s protestations, you may know more about procedures and best practices for police than anyone here. How do you think the capitol police in general and Michael Byrd in particular did on January 6?
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How do you think the capitol police in general and Michael Byrd in particular did on January 6?
Byrd did great.

Did you see the damage done?

Capital Police were in a horrible spot...the current leader of the country was encouraging the assault of Congress.

Still not sure why he hasn't been held to account.
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That cop need to be hung.
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Byrd did great.

Did you see the damage done?

Capital Police were in a horrible spot...the current leader of the country was encouraging the assault of Congress.

Still not sure why he hasn't been held to account.
Yeah, my uninformed, layman’s opinion is that the capitol police did a pretty good job containing the situation given their limited numbers. They were on the receiving end of a lot of physical abuse, and only one person ended up dying, not counting the heart attacks and the like.
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That cop need to be hung.
Well, your beliefs on this are more radical than most:

https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php...highlight=cops
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You continually call anyone that doesn't agree with you a marxist or DPST or whatever new term you have chosen for the week-- yet if anyone gives back to you what you give to others... they need to cease the insulting, demeaning insults.


You are a prime example of the hypocrisy.



My original response on this thread was in regards to why we hold one group to one set of standards and other groups to other sets of standards-- depending where they all are on the spectrum.



I had issues with the protests that went from being peaceful to being lawless. I also have issues with the protestors that chose to storm a secure facility.



I'm also a firm believer in the mantra of "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". If you don't go around doing things you KNOW are against the law and could result in injury or death... guess what won't happen. That applies whether we're talking Michael Brown or Ashlie Babbitt.



Thank you - grace

you are quite a lovely lady!
I have made my POV clear as to the illegality of teh protstors who stormed the Capitol - and the need for prompt and Constitutional due Process for teh accused - which the DPST party dominated party/house adn Senate judiciary committees have refused to enact with their subverted DOJ. Protestors are already guilty upon accusation - and incarcerated without benefit of bail or due process.



Now - DPST party - teh Democratic-Progressive-socialist-totalitarian party - the Acronym DPST describes the party perfectly as to their political and marxist POV.

AOC, squad, jayapal and progressives all have their roots of their beliefs in marxist dogma and ideology.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ocratic-party/


Grace - please go back and read teh HF critcism of Noirman/1b1 - and the blatant demeaning name-calling.

For an example





Another 1BM1 tell!

Uh, it's called an "opinion".

But let's see. We have

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The only thing we have are far right cry baby pussies
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you're nothing but a BANNED fascist-conservative who can't disagree without throwing out the childish insults.
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instead of acting like a spiteful child.
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That fact is you Fascist-conservatives never stick to the issues, all you do is lie and make shit up cause that is all you can do.
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when I do you Trumpanzees only have one response "fake news"
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clean up Asshole's messes or is it about sore losers like you
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And that's just this thread. Truth be told, you can't post anything without name calling, it's in your DNA, it's who you are, a bully.


Comment - Please go back and show me where I have insulted individuals in such name-calling fashion .

I don't do that - carefully
If you consider the acronym DPST - an accurate party description / marxist - also an accurate party description - or liberal cultists - also accurate party description insulting asoffensive - compared to the liberal cultists invective showered on Conservatives daily in this forum - well - Perhaps You should look in the mirror when You use the word 'Hypocrite"
As Noirman has threatened - to RTM my every post - in an attempt at bullying, intimidation, and censorship - I am fine with that

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She got exactly what she deserved. If y’all truly believe the bullshit you type then there’s truly no help for you. Truth be told many more of them shoulda been shot down before they ever entered the capitol. It’s a sad state of affairs when supposedly (and I use that in the most generous way) intelligent people somehow convince themselves that people can attack the capitol while Congress is in session, fight their way in using flag poles, bear spray and likely other objects, break windows and force their way through doors, fight the officers that were there to protect elected officials, and not be killed in the process. The only reason you even type this ridiculous stuff is because these people are a part of hour tribe. .

Anyone typing that crazy bullshit is guilty of stupidity in its highest form. Be proud of your continued ignorance. Well it’s actually not ignorance because that would mean it’s likely not intentional. Let’s just leave it at be proud of your stupidity.


And Oeb before you get to typing, just know I’m going to report your every post. And I mean every post. Little triangle here I come.



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Red triangle pressed. I’m looking out for ya Oeb. I’ll just keep pressing away.

Actually Babbit was killed while attempting to breach a window within the Capitol as other insurrectionists were trying to breach a door. I’m pretty sure she knew she was committing a crime at the time and chose to do it anyway. What she likely thought was that she would have no consequences for her actions and she was wrong. In a way she got exactly what she likely believed in. I’m sure at some point over the summer she thought that Rigtenhouse was in the right and likely advocated for harsher treatment of protesters in Washington and Oregon. Hell I would the shocked if she didn’t advocate for military to attack protestors. She just didn’t think it applied to her. I could be wrong on that but I’m sure if I scrubbed the internet for her rants I’d see some of what I assume to be correct.

She likely actually got exactly what she advocated for. Poetic JUSTICE was served hot and full of lead.

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Ashley Babbit was callously murdered - an unarmed woman shot in teh head at close range - by a Capitol police officer . . .


Comment - RTM is a universal privilege of teh Forum posters IMHO.

If you see me behaving like Noirman - grace - please RTM me.

Thank you Grace

You are entitled to your own opinion - slanted, biased, and unfounded in fact though it may be. .
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