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Old 08-28-2021, 11:53 AM   #16
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then I guess the lies told for 4 years about trump should have made you sick. the big lie about an insurrection which the fbi proved was bullshit should have made you sick

but honestly what should make you sick is exactly what made me sick/............. the death of 13 military men
Exactly Chizzy. These guys are so full of it. They not only sat silent through 4 plus years of constant, ridiculous lies about President Trump - they spread those lies. Sickening

As I said - Do I know for certain the origins of the video - no. But given the timeframe it was posted and recent events as well as some of the people who have shared it, it was logical to believe this is from Afghanistan. If it wasn't, my bad.

See how easy that was to say - yet these libs never admitted once they were wrong about all the lies they spread and posted about President Trump (nor the lies one continues to try and spread about Ron DeSantis). These unethical people disgust me
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Old 08-28-2021, 12:34 PM   #17
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then I guess the lies told for 4 years about trump should have made you sick. the big lie about an insurrection which the fbi proved was bullshit should have made you sick

but honestly what should make you sick is exactly what made me sick/............. the death of 13 military men
It was preventable. Bribes left Bagram at midnight without telling the Afghan Gov, Military and our allies. Bribes gave the Taliban the most secure airbase in Afghanistan. With all the weapons and 5000 prisoners. It made zero sense. That left EVERYONE defenseless. That’s why the Afghan military folded. So, Bribes had to evacuate from Kabul airport. In the center of a city of 4 million. A killing zone. Even tho I think Milley and Austin are woke, I doubt they approved of this “plan”. It was cooked up by the DS/Kabal. Yinzers not a deep thinker.
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Old 08-28-2021, 02:58 PM   #18
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Let's be clear again, virtually everyone on both sides agreed we should get out....
No, that's not true. Lots of smart people thought we should keep a small number of troops there, supplemented by our NATO allies, to keep the Taliban at bay and thwart future terrorist attacks.

It's incredibly stupid to think in all-or-nothing terms, as if our only options are binary - either pour in 150,000 troops (as Obama did) or pull everyone out entirely (as Biden is doing).

Texas Congressman Dan Crenshaw, an ex-Navy Seal/Afghan veteran, explains it well:


The ‘Endless Wars’ Fallacy

There are many options between nation building and giving up, and we had found a good one in Afghanistan before President Biden abandoned it.


By Dan Crenshaw
Aug. 17, 2021 12:35 pm ET


Almost everyone agrees that what’s happening in Afghanistan is an unmitigated disaster. There is no way to whitewash it, and few are trying. The scenes from Kabul speak for themselves, casting shame and embarrassment on the world’s greatest superpower. There is plenty of blame being passed around, including to the “neocons,” the generals and the Afghans themselves. But what got us here was the widespread belief that American foreign policy should be dictated by a simple slogan: “No more endless wars.” The current spokesman for that belief is President Biden.

The argument for bringing the troops home is an emotional one, arising from exhaustion with overseas conflict. Most people don’t understand the situation in Afghanistan, and that causes distrust and anger. Few deny we needed to take action after 9/11, but few understood what our strategy would be after we got there. Leaders failed to explain that simply leaving would allow the Taliban to re-emerge and again provide safe haven for terrorists. Americans felt stuck and became exhausted over the years with the vast sums of money spent and lives lost, seemingly in a futile attempt to build democracy.

With this growing impatience, the case for cutting our losses grew stronger. But it fails to acknowledge trade-offs—and this simple question: If we evacuate Afghanistan, what will happen? The “no more endless wars” crowd always refused to answer. They prefer to live in a dream world rather than face the reality that our enemies are ideologically opposed to Western civilization and will gladly stage another 9/11 if they have the opportunity and means. They are at war with us whether or not we are at war with them. Leaving Afghanistan would inevitably create a terrorist safe haven.

That simple reality was never properly explained to the public. When Quinnipiac asked in a May survey, “Should we leave Afghanistan?” 62% of respondents said yes. But what if the question was framed more completely: “Should we leave Afghanistan even if it means an increased threat of terrorism to the homeland?”

The “no more endless wars” position has another blind spot: Its advocates are unable to distinguish between wasteful nation building and a small residual force that conducts occasional counterterror operations. As a result, when many Americans hear that there is a single soldier on the ground in Afghanistan, they interpret it to mean “nation building” and “world police.”

That’s wrong. There are a lot of foreign policy options between nation building and giving up. We found the proper balance in recent years—maintaining a small force that propped up the Afghan government while also giving us the capability to strike at Taliban and other terrorist networks as needed. When Echelon asked about the troop presence this way in July, more Americans, Republican and Democratic, supported a small military presence in Afghanistan than ending our presence entirely.

The U.S. presence in Afghanistan was meeting the original strategic goal of denying a safe haven for terrorists and preventing another 9/11. The 18 months before withdrawal saw no U.S. combat deaths. Does that really sound like “endless war” in any traditional sense? More important, does it sound better or worse than the current outcome?

Mr. Biden’s decision was reckless and unnecessary. Policy aside, there wasn’t even political pressure to take such thoughtless action. The facts on the ground didn’t warrant a hasty withdrawal, and intelligence predicted the Taliban would eventually take over. Even worse, this decision was made as the spring fighting season began, all but guaranteeing a Taliban offensive emboldened by the knowledge of an imminent U.S. withdrawal and a collapse of morale by our Afghan allies in uniform and in government.

America didn’t lose a war, or even end one. We gave up on a strategic national-security interest. We gave up on our Afghan allies, expecting them to stave off a ruthless insurgency without our crucial support, which came at minimal cost to us. This administration’s actions are heartless, its justifications nonsensical. The consequences are dire for innocent Afghans and for America’s prestige. Twenty years after 9/11, I pray they don’t become equally dire for Americans at home.

Mr. Crenshaw, a Republican, represents Texas’ Second Congressional District. He was deployed to Afghanistan in 2012 as a member of the U.S. Navy’s SEAL Team 3.
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Old 08-28-2021, 04:09 PM   #19
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I was correct in my post, virtually is not everyone, there are exception and to be honest, I agree a small force along with contractors should have been there. But for all intent purposes by a far amount people from this country wanted out
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Old 08-29-2021, 08:56 AM   #20
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You guys are so frustrating - you're like trying to talk to a toddler.
Where in any post did I ever say that Briben did the right thing by leaving Afghanistan? I am really refraining from writing this in all caps but -
the subject of this thread is "check out the stacks and stacks of cash" and guns [allegedly] left for the terrorists in Afghanistan which was supposed to make me "sick". I have proven at least part of the video to be false, so you guys pivot to thinking that I'm unpatriotic, a military hater and that I feel Briben can do no wrong. For the record, I'm none of those things.
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether (I think that) Briben did the right thing by leaving Afghanistan, 13 dead service members, the 2020 election, how retarded DJT was, what's the best pillow TM on the market...none of that.
It's all well and good when you guys scream "keep this thread on topic" when someone goes off subject, but when you guys go on tangents, it's okay.
FFS I'm done with this forum. You guys can continue to massage your own ego's. I'm out. No wonder most people gave up and don't post in this forum anymore.

I'm going to go get another cup of covfefe
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Old 08-29-2021, 09:25 AM   #21
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You guys are so frustrating - you're like trying to talk to a toddler.
Where in any post did I ever say that Briben did the right thing by leaving Afghanistan? I am really refraining from writing this in all caps but -
the subject of this thread is "check out the stacks and stacks of cash" and guns [allegedly] left for the terrorists in Afghanistan which was supposed to make me "sick". I have proven at least part of the video to be false, so you guys pivot to thinking that I'm unpatriotic, a military hater and that I feel Briben can do no wrong. For the record, I'm none of those things.
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether (I think that) Briben did the right thing by leaving Afghanistan, 13 dead service members, the 2020 election, how retarded DJT was, what's the best pillow TM on the market...none of that.
It's all well and good when you guys scream "keep this thread on topic" when someone goes off subject, but when you guys go on tangents, it's okay.
FFS I'm done with this forum. You guys can continue to massage your own ego's. I'm out. No wonder most people gave up and don't post in this forum anymore.

I'm going to go get another cup of covfefe

You are correct and I apologize. I did not keep on topic

For myself, I get frustrated when those with a liberal slant can never admit when something as horrible as this evacuation is not condemned by those same people who constantly throw stones factual or not at those on the right. I'm not going to agrue the point but it is very noticable

Anyway, u r right, didnt stay on topic
My apology
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Old 08-29-2021, 12:18 PM   #22
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You guys are so frustrating - you're like trying to talk to a toddler.
Where in any post did I ever say that Briben did the right thing by leaving Afghanistan? I am really refraining from writing this in all caps but -
the subject of this thread is "check out the stacks and stacks of cash" and guns [allegedly] left for the terrorists in Afghanistan which was supposed to make me "sick". I have proven at least part of the video to be false, so you guys pivot to thinking that I'm unpatriotic, a military hater and that I feel Briben can do no wrong. For the record, I'm none of those things.
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether (I think that) Briben did the right thing by leaving Afghanistan, 13 dead service members, the 2020 election, how retarded DJT was, what's the best pillow TM on the market...none of that.
It's all well and good when you guys scream "keep this thread on topic" when someone goes off subject, but when you guys go on tangents, it's okay.
FFS I'm done with this forum. You guys can continue to massage your own ego's. I'm out. No wonder most people gave up and don't post in this forum anymore.

I'm going to go get another cup of covfefe
Pointing out your and others silence on all the other Afghanistan threads while you posting only here about how misinformation is the thing that makes you sick is indeed relevant to the conversation

This after you never called out any of the misinformation all you Trump haters posted the last 4+ years and are still posting today. Nor did you call out any of the misinformation one lib continually posts about Ron DeSantis. So spare me your BS

You chose to post on the one and only Afghanistan thread you could try and defend senile Biden (where it turns out a video I shared that was shared by lots of media and former gov't officials on Twitter was misleading).

And yet you ignored every other thread about senile Biden leaving American's behind, getting our military killed, his epically botched withdrawal, etc

As I said before. Your silence elsewhere speaks volumes
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Old 08-29-2021, 12:39 PM   #23
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Old 08-29-2021, 06:27 PM   #24
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That video looks very similar to the video taken years ago when Oliver North sold all those guns to the Khomeini Regime. Maybe not.
What is significant as you can see that the money that is uncovered in that video is minted after 2013 as it has $100 bills with the blue foil security line that goes through it. That money was introduced after 2013 to most of the country. Now whether that's spliced in there, or it's part of an original video that may be another discussion. But it certainly not Oliver North money. That said, pallets of money that size could be in the neighborhood of 20 to 30 million -my guess cuz I used to work in a bank and I've seen what 20 million looked like. Based upon approximately one and a half feet high by 2 ft deep an estimated 20 ft of lineal run. Course if there were more than one room, that might change things and it's all up in the air. Either way why the fuck would anybody leave money guns airplanes, helicopters etc?
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