The Derek Chauvin Trial.....It Begins

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

I'm just gonna post this here since several posters are denying it.

An autopsy carried out by Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, in June last year concluded Floyd's death was a homicide.

And medical examiners have never been influenced to write off on what DA's want?
And have medical examiners ever been wrong?

wow

[winn dixie]

snick

[WTF]

Originally Posted by royamcr

90% of the wall, bullshit. It was like 80 miles. More alternate facts from dumb shits.

There is no evidence except trump that said the military was gutted.

There is no evidence that the "shelves" were empty either. Trump was just trying to make excuses.

bambino does not need evidence from his Lord and Saviour, DJT.

Here drinks the koolaid just like a Jim Jones follower...to the last drop. He don't spit, he swallows!

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by royamcr

Knee to the neck for a couple minutes I can see. It seems to me that moving knee to between the shoulder blades or a little lower would have been just as effective. Waiting for a police captain or trainer come on the stand and state that is how they are trained. Riots start.

I didn't get the 9yo girl either, a sympathy play by the prosecution...

He's gotta go down for something and at least get a few years.

Chauvin's superior was asked that question about "how long" the knee can be applied and his answer was "what ever is appropriate at that time", which is no answer at all.


Like I said, keeping that knee on long past any movement, is hard to get past. While I still believe that Floyd's drug use and working himself up un-necessarily contributed to his death, as I have been reminded in the past, it may not necessarily be considered in a criminal trial.



I believe Floyd contributed to his death by acting out the way he did. No acting out, no knee to the neck. If Floyd had co-operated from the beginning, none of this would have ever happened. He didn't get put on the ground with a knee to the neck because he was Black, it was because he was un-coperative and some degree of restraint was necessary. Question is, was this much restraint necessary and I'm leaning to no, it wasn't. How that translates to a verdict and sentence, I'm not sure.


From the testimony I heard yesterday, it now "appears" that Floyd did die on the scene and not later in the hospital were apparently it was "called". According to testimony, the first EMT to check for a pulse, said he didn't find one. I did not know that. That does put a different spin on it than I thought before.

[royamcr]

Ya only a Dr can "call" the death... I think the paramedics should have done more on the scene life support. Seconds count and they lost at least 2-3 minutes in loading and driving to a different location.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by royamcr

Ya only a Dr can "call" the death... I think the paramedics should have done more on the scene life support. Seconds count and they lost at least 2-3 minutes in loading and driving to a different location.

Something else we have to add to the equation. Might Floyd have been saved if the EMT's weren't afraid of being set upon by an un-ruly mob? That was their testimony. They thought they had to get him away from that scene.


How about that for irony "Angry mob prevents EMT's from saving Floyd's life"!!!!!


Says something about where we are at as a society. Anybody think it's going to get better before it further devolves into street wars? I don't.

[reddog1951]

I'm an old EMT. He was dead before the ambulance arrived and CPR rarely works outside a hospital setting except on TV. Try holding your breath for even 3 minutes and see what happens unless you're trained. All on this board are familiar with the term "triggered". I suspect (opinion only) that is what happened with both Floyd and the police. The difference is the police SHOULD be trained to controll their trigger response. Seems to me that evidence shows Floyd was cuffed and no credible threat, other than thrashing around a bit.

Imagine a similar situation with one of us coming out of a strip club, a tad drunk, pissed by being ripped off by a dancer, and a little mouthy when police arrived (not addressing cause of detention, just disorderly conduct). Same shit could happen with a triggered cop.

Sorry, but excessive force in my book, and a homicide in some degree....let the jury decide the degree.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

And medical examiners have never been influenced to write off on what DA's want?
And have medical examiners ever been wrong?

wow

That's how the internet and confirmation bias works: we stop when we reach the conclusion that backs up our opinion.

[royamcr]

Ya on TV they would have at least put some oxygen on him and a little shock therapy. Maybe shoot him with some adrenaline.

[reddog1951]

Like I said big difference between TV and real world. Some trauma workers can literally " smell" death, but have to at least make an attempt. My understanding is that some efforts were made in the ambulance a couple of blocks away including CPR and maybe cardio conversion, maybe because that what EMTs have to do since they can't declare death unless grossly obvious. The brutal truth is that the police should have started CPR before the ambulance arrived; they are trained as first responders and are supposed to administer aid even to those they take down. Chauvin's case would be much better if they had. Circle back to my triggered supposition.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Like I said big difference between TV and real world. Some trauma workers can literally " smell" death, but have to at least make an attempt. My understanding is that some efforts were made in the ambulance a couple of blocks away including CPR and maybe cardio conversion, maybe because that what EMTs have to do since they can't declare death unless grossly obvious. The brutal truth is that the police should have started CPR before the ambulance arrived; they are trained as first responders and are supposed to administer aid even to those they take down. Chauvin's case would be much better if they had. Circle back to my triggered supposition.

I would like to know your opinion on the incident today. The suspect was hanging off the gurney and CPR was administered with one hand. It didn’t look like it was over the heart. Just curious. Maybe I’ll start a new thread with the video.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Like I said big difference between TV and real world. Some trauma workers can literally " smell" death, but have to at least make an attempt. My understanding is that some efforts were made in the ambulance a couple of blocks away including CPR and maybe cardio conversion, maybe because that what EMTs have to do since they can't declare death unless grossly obvious. The brutal truth is that the police should have started CPR before the ambulance arrived; they are trained as first responders and are supposed to administer aid even to those they take down. Chauvin's case would be much better if they had. Circle back to my triggered supposition.

I did post a thread. Your PM box is full. Go to this thread and review the video. Give us your opinion on how this guy was treated by EMS

https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2773271

[pfunkdenver]

Originally Posted by bambino

He says it wasn’t a single shooter.

As I said, zero proof.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Like I said big difference between TV and real world. Some trauma workers can literally " smell" death, but have to at least make an attempt. My understanding is that some efforts were made in the ambulance a couple of blocks away including CPR and maybe cardio conversion, maybe because that what EMTs have to do since they can't declare death unless grossly obvious. The brutal truth is that the police should have started CPR before the ambulance arrived; they are trained as first responders and are supposed to administer aid even to those they take down. Chauvin's case would be much better if they had. Circle back to my triggered supposition.

They can smell death because the bladder and bowels unload.

At one time here in Houston, EMTs were supposed to administer CPR all the way to the hospital even though the patient wasn't recoverable. I believe they changed that rule because the EMTs were just getting tired.

Thank you for your EMT service. I knew two of them. Horrific jobs.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Like I said big difference between TV and real world. Some trauma workers can literally " smell" death, but have to at least make an attempt. My understanding is that some efforts were made in the ambulance a couple of blocks away including CPR and maybe cardio conversion, maybe because that what EMTs have to do since they can't declare death unless grossly obvious. The brutal truth is that the police should have started CPR before the ambulance arrived; they are trained as first responders and are supposed to administer aid even to those they take down. Chauvin's case would be much better if they had. Circle back to my triggered supposition.

Ya think so too, at some point a cop should go "oh shit we just killed this guy" lets try to revive him at least. Nothing even close to this happened and I think that will be his downfall. The other police there are guilty too to some extent as accessories.