TDS

[winn dixie]

tds is strong and rampant today with some vile and unfounded posts from our lefties .
True hatred of fellow Americans and our Country.Will they wake up when china takes control when dementia joe is inaugurated?
Maybe thats what they want. traitors

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

I don't think it is hard to say at all and I believe there are 3 people that told that to the FBI. It may be hard to say that was a criminal act but it is not hard to say that money was meant for Joe, the Big Guy!

Of course I could be wrong....................... but I'm not.

I agree with you, the whole Russia thing was a farce, except for Trump stepping on national television and inviting Russia to examine Hillary's emails. And that's stupidity, not a violation of the law.

You may be right in a lot of what you write. Still, in 2017 Joe Biden was a private citizen, very possibly with no intention of ever running for office again. If he was lined up to get $10 million if the deal closed, if he received a key to his son's office, so what. Yeah, it stinks if he was trading off his name, but it's not illegal. Trump did lots of deals in foreign countries, including China, when he was a private citizen.

I can assure you that not all Chinese doing business with Americans are spies. In fact, most aren't.

Agreed, taking Hunter to China on Air Force Two to negotiate a business deal stinks to high heaven. That we should all agree on.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I read the WSJ article you linked to. You know a lot more about this than I do. Still I'm skeptical. It sounds like this occurred in 2017, after Biden had left the Vice Presidency and probably before he'd decided he'd run for President. He could do whatever he wanted to do. The deal never went through.
If it had, was the 10 million held by "H" actually for Joe Biden? Maybe Bobulinski was lying? Maybe it was for somebody else? Maybe it it was intended for Joe but Hunter was going to pocket it? Hard to say

Using common sense that is exactly wtf was happening. A son trading off his famous fathers name.

This Bobulinski met with Joe but never discussed money. Never discussed the business. Just talked about family.

Nothing illegal. 2017. Biden I doubt had any plans to run. It stinks how ex elected officials make off their experience but it is not illegal.

HF is going to believe the worst just as I would were it Trump.

[rexdutchman]

learn chinese

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I agree with you, the whole Russia thing was a farce, except for Trump stepping on national television and inviting Russia to examine Hillary's emails. And that's stupidity, not a violation of the law.

Agree. Trump would have to have "participated" in, facilitated in some way to make it illegal in my none attorney opinion.

You may be right in a lot of what you write. Still, in 2017 Joe Biden was a private citizen, very possibly with no intention of ever running for office again. If he was lined up to get $10 million if the deal closed, if he received a key to his son's office, so what. Yeah, it stinks if he was trading off his name, but it's not illegal. Trump did lots of deals in foreign countries, including China, when he was a private citizen.

OK,we'll leave out anything that happened out of office but that still leaves plenty while in office and I do believe that selling access called influence peddling is a crime, just ask Rod Blagojevich

I can assure you that not all Chinese doing business with Americans are spies. In fact, most aren't.

That was meant to be flippant although I have heard more than one politician say that with regard to the Swalwell matter. It was said that "any time a Chinese national wants to have a talk with you, the answer should be no because every Chinese national is accountable to report to the Communist Party or else they wouldn't be allowed to travel

Agreed, taking Hunter to China on Air Force Two to negotiate a business deal stinks to high heaven. That we should all agree on.

Again, even if there was no crime and I still believe there was, Joe Biden lied about not knowing what his son was doing and if Hunter is indicted for more than just a simple mistake on his tax forms, Joe is going to have some explaining to do and if held to the same standard as Trump was held to, his actions were un-Presidential to say the least but in reality, with a Democrat House, nothing short of a criminal act will get him impeached. One of the more memorable lines in Bobulinski's interview was when he asked James Biden how they were getting away with all the things they were doing, implying it was dishonest at best and illegal at worst, James Biden replied "plausible deniability". What every politician works for.

I just want to hear those that voted for Biden admit that they don't care if Biden lied showing them to be the hypocrites that they are after the constant barrage of Trump should be impeached for lying about the crowd size at his inaugural.

And let me say that after hearing that phone call Trump made to the Secy of State of Georgia, I think he crossed the line and did violate to the law but I don't think it will be worth the time and expense for Georgia to prosecute him since he will be gone in a matter of days and I would not be surprised at all if the AG or DA of New York, has an indictment ready for Mr. Trump on Jan. 21st. Whether they have the goods on him is another matter.

For me, Trump was a useful tool or in the more common form "useful idiot" to implement many of the things I wanted to see for this country on matters of immigration, foreign policy mostly with regard to China but also holding NATO accountable for not living up to their monetary responsibility and the deregulation that caused the greatest economy for all Americans in 50 years.

Yes, he was an embarrassment but the alternative would not only have also been an embarrassment but a tragedy in the same way Biden will be.

Check out this article on China. I do not believe that Democrats will have the stones to stand up to China and it looks like neither will our allies. Better start teaching the kids Mandarin if they want good jobs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/w...ent-biden.html

With Concessions and Deals, China’s Leader Tries to Box Out Biden

Xi Jinping has been making trade agreements in Asia and now Europe, hoping to head off the incoming president’s efforts to rally a united front against China.
A trade pact with 14 other Asian nations. A pledge to join other countries in reducing carbon emissions to fight global warming. Now, an investment agreement with the European Union.
China’s leader, Xi Jinping, has in recent weeks made deals and pledges that he hopes will position his country as an indispensable global leader, even after its handling of the coronavirus and increased belligerence at home and abroad have damaged its international standing.


In doing so, he has underlined how difficult it will be for President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. to forge a united front with allies against China’s authoritarian policies and trade practices, a central focus of the new administration’s plan to compete with Beijing and check its rising power. The image of Mr. Xi joining Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, President Emmanuel Macron of France and other European leaders in a conference call on Wednesday to seal the deal with the European Union also amounted to a stinging rebuke of the Trump administration’s efforts to isolate China’s Communist Party state.
The deals show the leverage Mr. Xi has because of the strength of the Chinese economy, which is now the fastest-growing among major nations as the world continues to struggle with the pandemic.

Noah Barkin, a China expert in Berlin with the Rhodium Group, called the investment agreement in particular “a geopolitical coup for China.” Chinese companies already enjoyed greater access to European markets — a core complaint in Europe — so they won only modest openings in manufacturing and the growing market for renewable energies. The real achievement for China is diplomatic.

China had to make only modest concessions to overcome increasingly vocal concerns about China’s harshest policies, including the crackdown on Hong Kong and the mass detentions and forced labor of Uighurs in Xinjiang, the western Chinese region.
China agreed, at least on paper, to loosen many of the restrictions imposed on European companies working in China, open up China to European banks and observe international standards on forced labor. The question is whether the pledges can be enforced.

To China’s critics, Mr. Xi’s moves have been tactical — even cynical. Yet they have also proved successful to a degree that seemed impossible only a few months ago, when several European countries became more outspoken in opposing China.

“It would be wrong to see these Chinese concessions as a significant shift in policy,” Mr. Barkin said. “Over the past year, we have seen the party tighten its grip over the economy, double down on state-owned enterprises and launch a new push for self-reliance. That is the direction of policy that Xi has mapped out and it would be naïve to believe that this deal will change that.”
Instead, China has demonstrated once again that it pays little or no diplomatic cost for abuses that violate European values. The Europeans finalized the investment agreement, for example, a day after the European Union publicly criticized the harsh prison sentence handed down to a Chinese lawyer who reported on the initial coronavirus outbreak in the city of Wuhan.
Australia faced a similar trade-off in November when it signed up for the Asian trade pact, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, even as China waged a campaign of economic coercion against the country.

China’s vast economic and diplomatic influence, especially at this time of global crisis, means that countries feel they have little choice but to engage with it, regardless of their unease over the character of Mr. Xi’s hard-line rule. The Asian trade pact, for example, while limited in scope, covers more of humanity — 2.2 billion people — than any previous one.

“The values we all cherish in our Sunday sermons must be adhered to if we are not to fall victim to a new systemic rival,” said Reinhard Bütikofer, a German member of the European Parliament who has spoken out against the European investment agreement with China.

“I think the understanding is increasing,” he added, “but how to respond is not yet clear.”
China’s overtures will not end the anger over its repressive policies, including its documented use of forced labor. They could mollify China’s critics, though, by using the lure of commercial profit in a country whose economy has rebounded from the pandemic more robustly than others’ have.

That would also undercut Mr. Biden, who already must overcome four years of frustration in Europe over President Trump’s go-it-alone approach as he confronts China’s actions at home and abroad.
“I think now is a very good window for us,” said Wang Huiyao, president of the Center for China and Globalization, a think tank in Beijing. He said China could serve as a model and as a partner in cooperation, and suggested that Europe could play a moderating role between China and the United States.

“Everyone has seen China’s resilience, its vitality, tenacity and its stability, especially through its fight against the epidemic,” he said.
Mr. Xi, of course, has not acknowledged that any of China’s policies have eroded global trust. Nor have officials signaled any reconsideration of its core policies.

The country’s “Wolf Warrior” diplomacy, named after a pair of jingoistic action movies, shows no sign of relenting. Australia still faces China’s wrath, as does Canada over the detention of the chief financial officer of the Chinese technology giant Huawei at the behest of the United States.
“I think they have a selective approach to mending their image,” said Minxin Pei, a professor at Claremont McKenna College in California.

Over the long term, it remains to be seen how significantly China’s pacts and pledges will improve its international image, which plummeted this past year because of its obfuscation over the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan.

A survey by the Pew Research Center in October found that in 14 economically advanced countries, unfavorable attitudes toward China had reached their highest levels in more than a decade. A median of 78 percent of those surveyed said they had little or no confidence that Mr. Xi would do the right thing in world affairs. (One upside for Mr. Xi: 89 percent felt the same way about Mr. Trump.)
China’s economic recovery has nonetheless given Mr. Xi a diplomatic opening, and he has seized it. Mr. Xi’s pledges to accelerate China’s reduction of carbon emissions, which he began making in September, have won international plaudits, even if the government has yet to detail how it will wean itself from coal and other heavily polluting industries.

Around the same time, Mr. Xi showed renewed interest in wrapping up discussions for the European investment agreement, which had been dragging on for seven years. Only months before, a deal seemed all but dead amid rising animosity toward China in Europe. “Real differences exist, and we won’t paper over them,” Charles Michel, the president of the European Council, said in September.

A breakthrough came after the American presidential election. Mr. Trump showed disdain for America’s traditional allies in Europe and Asia, but Mr. Biden has pledged to galvanize a coalition to confront the economic, diplomatic and military challenges that China poses.
China clearly foresaw the potential threat.

Only two weeks after the election, China joined the 14 other Asian nations in signing the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. In early December, after phone calls with Ms. Merkel and Mr. Macron, Mr. Xi pushed to finish the investment agreement with the Europeans.

The prospect raised alarm, both in Europe and in the United States. Mr. Biden’s incoming national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, took to Twitter to hint strongly that Europe should first wait for consultations with the new administration — to no avail.

Critics said the deal would bind Europe’s economy even more closely with China’s, helping Beijing expand its economic might and deflect external pressure to open up its party-state-driven economy.
They said the agreement failed to do enough to address China’s abuses of human rights, including labor rights. The promise that negotiators extracted from China on that issue — to “make continued and sustained efforts” to ratify two international conventions on forced labor — assumes China will act in good faith. China, critics were quick to point out, has not kept all the promises it made when it joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.

The investment agreement must be ratified by the European Parliament before it can take effect, and it faces signification opposition that could derail it. For now, Chinese officials have celebrated a deal that Mr. Xi called “balanced, high-standard and mutually beneficial.”

“The Chinese leadership is concerned about a trans-Atlantic front, a multinational front, against it, and it is willing to make, I think, tactical concessions to bring the Europeans on board,” Mr. Barkin of the Rhodium Group said. “They’ve been very smart about this.”

[1blackman1]

HF - hypocrite forever.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

HF - hypocrite forever.

Care to point out my hypocrisy?

[1blackman1]

It’s pretty easy. Every long post you focus on “I just want democrats (name whomever else) to answer for this or that (you name it, some perceived behavior)” but nowhere in your posts do you - answer for the bad behavior of the right, answer any questions posed to you or acknowledge that republicans and the right do pretty much everything you accuse of the left.

You drone on for paragraphs outlining what you think, with any proof making allegation after allegation (ie Biden having a criminal enterprise) but quickly fall back to “there was no proof Trump has a criminal enterprise going right in front of us.”

When it’s pointed out that what you’re saying is full of eloquently stated bullshit you quickly move on to a new subject and start the obfuscation by doing faulty research and long quoting some article from some obscure or irreputable opinion piece that you quote as fact.

Garbage in garbage out.

[Tsmokies]

Just when you think it can't get more amusing and desperate for the trump huggers grasping at little orange mushroom straws...another one of the clueless post lol n wtf.

Trump made China more powerful and greater while trying to make America look really stupid n clueless. Biden/Harris will take Americans away from a third world corrupt country...that needs a lot more than 11800 votes lol

[1blackman1]

GA election officials politely tell voters that Trumpys conspiracy theories are all false. Dominion is not taking parts from machines or taking machines. 5000 Dead people did not vote. Signatures were audited and there wasn’t a bunch of illegally forged signatures. A random sample of 15,000 showed zero problems. None. Nada. Zero.

Trumpys just can’t accept the truth.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

GA election officials politely tell voters that Trumpys conspiracy theories are all false. Dominion is not taking parts from machines or taking machines. 5000 Dead people did not vote. Signatures were audited and there wasn’t a bunch of illegally forged signatures. A random sample of 15,000 showed zero problems. None. Nada. Zero.

Trumpys just can’t accept the truth.

You'll never see it! Stolen election!
It happened! And they're trying to do it in Georgia with the help of the abram sisters!

[Tsmokies]

It's hard to forget how much the election was stolen. Especially when all the states in America and all the courts including the Supreme Court that trump/McDonald stacked, were part of and in on the stolen election. Some clueless ignorant racist people will never have a clue lol

[oeb11]

Elitist, know-it-all, patronizing, arrogant DPST's
Of course you know best for everyone in America.

That mind (mindless) set never changes.



Thanks for confirming the TDS topic.

And - Trump leaves in 16 days - Who will you hate then????
Me???

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

It’s pretty easy. Every long post you focus on “I just want democrats (name whomever else) to answer for this or that (you name it, some perceived behavior)” but nowhere in your posts do you - answer for the bad behavior of the right,



Let's see, I just got finished calling Trump a useful idiot, said what he is doing is misguided and predicted Biden would win. Remember, you apologized to me for making the mistake that I predicted Trump would win. I could count on one hand, take that back, I wouldn't need a hand at all to count the number of times you have brought up the bad behavior of Democrats because you never have, ever. All you do incessantly, is talk about the bad behavior of Republicans and everybody here knows that. You are as Joe Biden would put it, a one horse pony. Of course old Joe meant one trick pony. Prove me wrong, give me two examples of Democrats bad behavior that you have spoken of in the past?


answer any questions posed to you


I have never failed to answer a question posed to me ever, by anybody. You are a damned liar sir. Find and post one post where you asked me a question that I failed to answer. This is you spewing bullshit you know isn't true because it's all you know how to do, well, if you don't count saying "we're making America great again" ad nauseum.



or acknowledge that republicans and the right do pretty much everything you accuse of the left.



I've said to many times to count that both parties are bad news to some degree which is why I refuse to register with either party. But just to clear this up and to set your mind at ease, I hereby declare that both parties do pretty much the same thing. Happy?


You drone on for paragraphs outlining what you think,


Which is some how different than what you do or would you like to admit that you don't write what you think, you just make up shit to be contrary because you are one miserable human being? We all write what we think dumbass!


with any proof



I guess you meant "without any proof" but no matter, I knew what you were saying even if you didn't. That's why unlike you, I reference every single thing I write with opinions of professional writers and political observers just to prove that what I'm thinking, writing are not my thoughts alone. Obviously this really bothers you for some reason. "Who does he think he is referencing everything he writes". I guess I can see how that would get on the nerves of somebody who doesn't possess the desire to be succinct in what they write.Where as you have never referenced a damn thing you have written even though awhile back, you told me you would start doing so apparently because you were so impressed by how I backed up everything I write. Jealousy doesn't look good on you. An example, you told me that I mixed up the Constitution with a Federal Statute but did you bother to prove what you just said? Did you tell us what the statute was because that's what I would have done but you are either to lazy or just putting out bullshit that can't be verified. It's kind of cowardly of you to tell you the truth.


making allegation after allegation


Yeah, because you never make allegations right? You are an allegation machine! I dare say every post has an allegation and I think from this moment on, I will point out each and every one you make to show you just what a stupid remark you just made. I count 5 allegations already and I haven't finished your post yet.


(ie Biden having a criminal enterprise)


I clearly stated that I believe, in my opinion, based on what I have read, that Joe Biden is part of a criminal enterprise. So tell me, have you ever implied that Trump or any member of his family has engaged in illegal activity? Think hard now.


but quickly fall back to “there was no proof Trump has a criminal enterprise going right in front of us.”

Uh, you just made an allegation! And what exactly is this criminal enterprise Trump has going right now and how is your allegation any different than mine?

Let's see, I just got finished writing that I think Trump could be investigated and possibly indicted ( but not likely ) for his phone call with the Georgia Secy. of State in which he "may have" solicited election fraud. I see that two Democrats have sent a letter to the DOJ for a criminal referral against Trump. And in that same post, I said I would not be surprised if the AG or DA of New York will have a criminal indictment of Trump on Jan. 21st. So tell me again how I don't hold Trump to account in the same way I do Biden?


When it’s pointed out that what you’re saying is full of eloquently stated bullshit


By you, which would be the salient point to consider since what you point out is mostly bullshit that you can't back up as this post surely confirms. But thank you for calling my post eloquent. I think you secretly admire my writing.


you quickly move on to a new subject and start the obfuscation


One of my faults that I have been accused of before, is that I don't move on. I get accused of having to have the last word and "beating a dead horse".


To obfuscate:

to be evasive, unclear, or confusing.

One thing I am not is evasive or unclear. How many times have others written that I talk to much? Evasive? Never. Never ran from a debate in my life because I believe I am a better debater than anybody I have ever come across on boards like this.

by doing faulty research and long quoting some article from some obscure or irreputable opinion piece that you quote as fact.

Garbage in garbage out.

It wasn't all that long ago I wrote that everything I post is my opinion and should not be taken as fact but I guess you missed it.

There is no such word as irreputable but no matter, we all make mistakes. Considering my last post was an article in the New York Times I would be hard pressed to argue your point. But when the Times and the Post agree with me, I'll post them.


You really do come across as jealous that you can't debate as well as I do which accounts for all the ad hominen attacks, name calling, frustration that you exhibit. You are quite the angry little man and I have a pretty good idea where that comes from but then my opinion doesn't matter to you nor should it.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by oeb11

I think Trump supporters are dumb AF fuck and will believe any crackpot conspiracy theory.

This was your only sensible statement.