Assumptions aside - actual suits and claims

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Because the Gov can't change the voting laws in violation of art 2 ( like whats happened in all the questioned states )

Categorically false. It has already been affirmed that states can, in fact, make their own individual election rules and regulations-- from decisions about early voting, absentee voting, etc. The only things that are controlled at a federal level is the date of the election itself.. and the date that the EC convenes. The rest is left to the states to decide. Otherwise, we wouldn't have all these issues where some states opted to have one voting location for 600k voters (Kentucky) and other states opted to close polling locations in predominantly urban areas (Ohio-- I spent time driving people in my neighborhood to the polls-- the old location was on the bus route, new location was not).



The issue in PA-- is that a judge decided to legislate from the bench and overturned what the legislature had already decided. That's going to be overturned most likely-- and is why they were ordered to segregate any ballots that arrived past the original deadline set by the PA State Legislature. The question is-- how many of the ballots fall under that order and would it even be enough.. seeing as about 30% of those late ballots.. are for Trump-- meaning he will also lose votes in any order that eliminates those ballots.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

+1

[tannana]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

The issue in PA-- is that a judge decided to legislate from the bench and overturned what the legislature had already decided. That's going to be overturned most likely-- and is why they were ordered to segregate any ballots that arrived past the original deadline set by the PA State Legislature. The question is-- how many of the ballots fall under that order and would it even be enough.. seeing as about 30% of those late ballots.. are for Trump-- meaning he will also lose votes in any order that eliminates those ballots.

There is no "question." Biden is ahead by more than the outstanding number (10k, according to the updated total by the secretary of state of PA). The composition of the vote within those ballots literally doesn't matter for the Presidential race. Biden still won.



It may not even be reviewed. Alito and Thomas and Gorsuch have a hard on to do so. The liberals and likely Barrett and Roberts are going to look at it, conclude that mathematically it will not change the outcome, won't thus disenfranchise the folks who relied on the guidance in good faith before the election nor put SCOTUS in the position of even appearing to legitimize the "Trump fraud" BS when _it won't change the outcome_.



(I happen to think the PA supremes regularly overstep their authority and did so in this case. It will not impact Joe Biden being inaugurated in January.)

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Because the Gov can't change the voting laws in violation of art 2 ( like whats happened in all the questioned states )

Still awaiting that Art II portion.

[rexdutchman]

The sad part is If only one dead person voted the system needs to be fair honest and transparent , watch its not at this point BOTH sides should agree on "looking into the suspicious activity "
So why are the dim-wits so afraid of looking into any of this ????



Note The LSM can not elect presidents or anoint them

[tannana]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

The sad part is If only one dead person voted the system needs to be fair honest and transparent , watch its not at this point BOTH sides should agree on "looking into the suspicious activity "
So why are the dim-wits so afraid of looking into any of this ????



Note The LSM can not elect presidents or anoint them

You do know that there are legions of people in government who actually do all that, each election, year in and year out. They just always do it, whereas you guys seem to think it's only somehow apropos because the Cheeto man lost.



One dead person likely votes in any election in any state that involves absentee ballots, which the possible exception of maybe Alaska. (only because they wait so long to count them). This has happened every year you've been alive. I'm certain Trump's election in 2016 had dead people voting. Beyond a doubt.


It's a troll act. You are either dumb enough to be falling for it, or troll enough to be rehashing it. But it's not "fraud" unless you believe every election you've ever voted in is also cooked.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by tannana

You do know that there are legions of people in government who actually do all that, each election, year in and year out. They just always do it, whereas you guys seem to think it's only somehow apropos because the Cheeto man lost.



One dead person likely votes in any election in any state that involves absentee ballots, which the possible exception of maybe Alaska. (only because they wait so long to count them). This has happened every year you've been alive. I'm certain Trump's election in 2016 had dead people voting. Beyond a doubt.


It's a troll act. You are either dumb enough to be falling for it, or troll enough to be rehashing it. But it's not "fraud" unless you believe every election you've ever voted in is also cooked.

You seem to be saying that we should just accept that dead people vote, people who no longer live in a state they just voted in, should be ignored because "it has always been that way". How many times in our history have we fought against that kind of thinking. We have amended our Constitution many times to correct that kind of thinking.The question becomes, would you believe that if Trump had won and Biden lost and it looked like there may have been fraud that won Trump the vote?


No matter who won this race, we need to hold states accountable for having more accurate voter roles regardless of who a lousy system might favor.


I don't think there is any doubt, that the way we conducted this vote, lent itself to fraud. When you mail a ballot to an address that did not request that ballot and the person you sent that ballot to is dead or long ago moved out of state, you are inviting fraud.


Nobody that did not request a mail in ballot, should get a mail in ballot. That doesn't seem to be an unreasonable request to make.



What's the problem with finding out if there are flaws in the system and work to eliminate them

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Actual suits filed dummy. It’s not a matter of news. This is the actual allegations by the lawyers to the judges.

Are you telling us that you know that every court filing so far and any yet to be filed, have all been decided and tossed? If not, how can you say, nothing has been proved or will be proved?


Has everything tossed by a lower court made it's way through the Appellate process? If not, no final decision has been made in any of these cases.


And we can already see that even a State Supreme Court can ( likely ) be over ruled by the US Supreme Court.


Why not limit your comment, that nothing has been "proven" yet instead of nothing will ever be proven. That is more of a wish than a factual statement.


But let me end by asking again. Are you aware of the results of every court filing and have they all been found inadequate?

[NoOneUKnow]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

The sad part is If only one dead person voted the system needs to be fair honest and transparent , watch its not at this point BOTH sides should agree on "looking into the suspicious activity "
So why are the dim-wits so afraid of looking into any of this ????



Note The LSM can not elect presidents or anoint them

As stated to your duplicate post elsewhere, they are not opposed to looking into legitimate claims, when such legitimate claims arise. Trump's team is throwing all the shit they can find against the proverbial wall in the hopes that some of it will stick. Trump has already begun firing lawyers because they are telling him he won't win.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Nothing. They’re on the greatest fishing expedition since Jaws.

Trumps team is only interested in pleasing the boss. They know there’s nothing out there, but they also know how much damage this colossal asshole will do between now and Jan 20’s arrest date.

I mean there is probably something out there. A few votes here a few votes there, but not thousands or 10s of thousands. Trump and clan are only good at making grandiose claims based on 1 or 2 occurrences. They make it sound like 1 = 1000s. This fires up the trumptards and they start spouting their bullshit all over their media.

[royamcr]

We should quantify these types of votes, but most likely it is just less than 1 percent of the total vote. Really just nothingburgers in the grand picture. In the close to 50/50 nature of voting Republican or Democrat, even the 1% probably cancels out. 40 red deads vote and 42 blue deads vote. This nets an error of 2 votes. Just an example. It probably happens, but do only dead Democrats vote? I doubt it.

If Republicans are making claims, they are only going to tell the side of the story that benefits them. Not the whole story.

As far as requesting mail in ballots, it is easier/cheaper to send out a mass mail of ballots. A by request system would have to be built/secured/monitored and manned. It is a business decision, they weigh the cost of of building a system vs just sending everyone a mail in ballot. It is cheaper to send everyone a ballot, printing is cheap in high quantities. On the back end a system can be programmed to reject/flag/investigate a person voting 2 times.

Every election cycle changes are made based on impact. This isn't widely publicized as the voting and machine technology is held "pretty close to the vest". It will never be perfect.

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

You seem to be saying that we should just accept that dead people vote, people who no longer live in a state they just voted in, should be ignored because "it has always been that way". How many times in our history have we fought against that kind of thinking. We have amended our Constitution many times to correct that kind of thinking.The question becomes, would you believe that if Trump had won and Biden lost and it looked like there may have been fraud that won Trump the vote?


No matter who won this race, we need to hold states accountable for having more accurate voter roles regardless of who a lousy system might favor.


I don't think there is any doubt, that the way we conducted this vote, lent itself to fraud. When you mail a ballot to an address that did not request that ballot and the person you sent that ballot to is dead or long ago moved out of state, you are inviting fraud.


Nobody that did not request a mail in ballot, should get a mail in ballot. That doesn't seem to be an unreasonable request to make.



What's the problem with finding out if there are flaws in the system and work to eliminate them

[tannana]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

What's the problem with finding out if there are flaws in the system and work to eliminate them

Nothing, save for you didn't care about any of them until the Chosen Cheeto got UnChosen and lost.


As I said: falling for it or perpetuating a troll.

[nevergaveitathought]

here are actual claims, and in honor of alex trebec, they are in the form of questions:

why is it always the dead vote for dimocrats? surely some of the dead are conservative!

and if there is an error, either by the news media, the fbi or an election official, the error seems to have invariably been against a conservative and in favor of a dimocrat?

errors never seem to go the other way

I guess that's life, by which I mean the answer might be found in the sort of person who would be a leftist

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Are you telling us that you know that every court filing so far and any yet to be filed, have all been decided and tossed? If not, how can you say, nothing has been proved or will be proved?


Has everything tossed by a lower court made it's way through the Appellate process? If not, no final decision has been made in any of these cases.


And we can already see that even a State Supreme Court can ( likely ) be over ruled by the US Supreme Court.


Why not limit your comment, that nothing has been "proven" yet instead of nothing will ever be proven. That is more of a wish than a factual statement.


But let me end by asking again. Are you aware of the results of every court filing and have they all been found inadequate?

You get dumber daily I see. I listed the actual cases that were filed and the allegations. If they filed others today or yesterday of course they weren’t included. Nevertheless, it’s pretty clear that they haven’t found any fraud to substantiate a fraud claim in order to file suit based on fraud.

If they found it or can substantiate it, they should take it to court rather than Fox, Newsmax, Twitter and Parlor. If they don’t have any evidence, they need to quit claiming fraud.

Law firms are now withdrawing, which is a bad sign. DHS denies any fraud, Secretaries of State are denying fraud. The only people still claiming fraud are pretty stupid.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

here's an actual claim, and in honor of alex trebec, its in the form of a question:

why is it always the dead vote for dimocrats? surely some of the dead are conservative!

and if there is an error, either by the news media, the fbi or an election official, the error seems to have invariably been against a conservative and in favor of a dimocrat?

errors never seem to go the other way

I guess that's life, by which I mean the answer might be found in the sort of person who would be a leftist

False. They just charged a Republican for using his dead mothers vote along with his own. You just assume it’s only Democrats because Democrats don’t yell all day on Fox that Republicans do it.