The reality of the Recounts

[Grace Preston]

Arizona--


Unless something drastically changes-- there will be no recount. Arizona requires the margin to be within .1 (that's point one) percent in order for there to be a recount and does not allow requested recounts, only the automatic ones.



Georgia--


There will absolutely be a recount here. Its within the margin for a mandatory recount and honestly I'd feel better about things if there was a recount. That's a mighty slim margin-- the slimmest of all the states.


Michigan--


The margin is nowhere near what is needed to trigger a recount. Under their law, Trump is more than welcome to request one with the courts-- but is going to need compelling evidence of malfeasance in order to get it. Thus far-- none of the Trump teams legal actions include accusations of fraud (which-- makes me think their evidence may not be that great and they don't want to risk the potential of a perjury issue on their parts).



Nevada--


There "could" be a recount here-- as Nevada allows for it for any reason. But, I doubt there will be. Its a slim number of EC votes-- and the margin Biden won by is very similar to Clinton's margin in 2016. The Trump team would be better served to focus on the bigger cloisters of votes.


North Carolina--


Nope. Margin isn't there. Plus, its still in Trump's favor and despite all his claims that NC was fraudulent-- he's been very silent since Biden never captured the lead there.


Pennsylvania--


There won't be an automatic recount here. There may be a requested recount here-- but it requires the electors getting involved as they are the ones that must request it. This state is going to be somewhat interesting as there was already a few pending orders here. However-- with 20 EC votes... Trump will still have to clear one of the other states on the list.



Wisconsin--


There will be an automatic recount here based on their mandatory recount rules. However-- with about 20k votes separating the candidates-- it isn't likely to matter.





Overall-- his best odds are with trying to peel off Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Wisconsin-- with PA and GA being far easier than Wisconsin-- and he'll need all 3 to go in his favor. PA would pull Biden back to 270, GA isn't currently being counted so as of this moment, no impact.

[eccieuser9500]

I don't think this will happen, but I still think it's funny.

[1blackman1]

Republicans are going to court with all the fraud proof like they do at all there court cases.

The result will be the same - no proof whatsoever except for stuff they saw on Twitter. They’ve had 4 years, two of which with complete control of the federal government and with state officials overseeing elections, to prove that voter fraud is rampant and real and they couldn’t do because it doesn’t exist. Even Republican Secretaries of State have said, there is no voter fraud of consequence.

It’s done. Biden is president-elect and We Made America Great Again last week.

[eccieuser9500]

Here's the evidence. See?




See it? Uuuumm . . . no you can't see it judge.

This guy was such

a fuckin' joke!

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

...Unless something drastically changes-- there will be no recount....

Welp... Turns out actual reality is different from your perceived reality.

• Your baseline statements might be more accurate-ish if you included the term "automatic"
  • As in: there will be no "automatic" recount
• I expect some will trigger the automatic recount at local taxpayer expense
  • In addition, some State legislatures are already pondering this avenue over process concerns over the validity of vote totaling mechanics/methods
• Most states have a provision for requesting recount
  • They charge the requester the cost to perform the recount
  • Can be in the $3-5 Million range historically
  • This is usually a bar to avoid frivolous attempts at taxpayer expense
  • But Trump is a billionaire, so $3Million x 6 = $18 Million
  • So it really becomes a question of ROI for Trump and he's a businessman -Duh
• You also have to consider the terms recount versus validate
  • In their zeal-to-steal the election by slap-dash instituting new rules, using the COVID-con, the courts should rely on the laws that were actually and validly in effect
  • The SC court already has a vote segregation order in effect for Pennsylvania for example
• Does the FA-F*ck news media Constitutionally decide election and the winners thereof?
  • That would be a big fat NOPE!
• Will this end up in the courts?
  • Ya sure - you betcha
• Will it be completed by Monday?
  • Nope
• Will Trump just toss in the towel quickly?
  • Let history be your guide
  • But uhhmmm... also NOPE!

[Yssup Rider]

So you make no sense in your response to Grace’s well thought out and factually based comments.

Keep fighting. Enjoy your Thanksgiving and Christmas. You and your family can scream and fight about their Trumpite uncle who refuses to accept the inevitable. Your master is being escorted from the White House On Inauguration Day.

Georgia will recount. That’s its law. Maybe Wisconsin, but it’s highly unlikely any of this will matter, as I believe recounts will result in larger margins of victory for the President-elect.,

Rage whining is your choice, bud.

AMERICA made its. And it was FUCK TRUMP.

[Grace Preston]

The statement "unless something drastically changes" is because under Arizona law, they do not provide for requested recounts. Only automatic recounts. If you read the full post, you can see each state is outlined based on the individual laws of that state. Unless the final vote tally puts Trump within .1%-- Arizona is off the table. The drastic change would be Trump pulling within .1% Recounts can NOT be requested in Arizona-- they only allow for the automatic one in the event that the margin is within guidelines.


Using the laws of each individual state-- his best course of action will be Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Wisconsin. He can try Michigan, but with the margin-- he's really going to struggle. I honestly think there is a chance for him in Pennsylvania. Georgia is questionable. Wisconsin I feel will be pissing in the wind, but the recount is automatic there so-- its not like he's going to be out anything.

[Yssup Rider]

Actually Grace, he will be out something.

He’ll be out of power.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Republicans are going to court with all the fraud proof like they do at all there court cases.

The result will be the same - no proof whatsoever except for stuff they saw on Twitter. They’ve had 4 years, two of which with complete control of the federal government and with state officials overseeing elections, to prove that voter fraud is rampant and real and they couldn’t do because it doesn’t exist. Even Republican Secretaries of State have said, there is no voter fraud of consequence.

It’s done. Biden is president-elect and We Made America Great Again last week.

Who are these republican Secretaries of State?

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

... I honestly think there is a chance for him in Pennsylvania. Georgia is questionable. Wisconsin I feel will be pissing in the wind, but the recount is automatic there so-- its not like he's going to be out anything.

What you think and feel are your unique perspective, aka opinion. Not that there's anything wrong with that per se. However, you might think you can drive faster than the posted speed limit. You might feel that people are dropping like flies from the COVID-con. But then, there is that pesky reality thingy looming. If you 'feel' interested, the below is a pretty solid treatise on the actual options available and actual dates involved.

.FAQ: What happens next in the presidential election process?

The 2020 election contest between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden seems headed into overtime, as the presidential vote-counting process continues into Friday. Regardless of which candidate claims victory in the election, the odds are good the election will be contested.

As of Friday morning, the races in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania were still tightly fought - so close, in fact, that their votes could be subject to a recount in the next month. There are also lawsuits in play about a state’s ability to ask for extended mail-in ballot deadlines, and how ballots were counted.

Here is a brief roadmap to the key deadlines in the presidential election process going forward....



And make no mistake; The Lawfare Group (Left-wing-Ding lawyers that ran the DOJ for three years under Heir Muller's dystopian rein) spent countless hours gaming through all of this more than a month ago. Wonder why they would be so super proactive anyway. Maybe they had a lot of free time on their hands after Muh RUSSIA fizzled so spectacularly.


The State Laws That May Decide a Disputed 2020 Election

As the 2020 presidential election grows nearer, anxiety over the possibility of a disputed election has reached a fever pitch. And no one has done more to stir this anxiety than President Trump himself. For months, he has inveighed against the mail-in ballots that a substantial number of (disproportionately Democratic) voters are expected to use, leveling unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud and electoral insecurity. Most recently, he even suggested that he might be unwilling to peacefully accept if he were to lose on account of those ballots, raising the prospect that he and his supporters might use an election dispute as a pretext for remaining in power, no matter the election results...

Seems like it takes a lot of planning and actual leg work versus thinking and feeling to steal an election - legally.

[Munchmasterman]

Normally we think your lack of true information is cute. Your shifty and constantly changing facts (according to what trump wants you to say) and your complete and total ignorance on any subject you talk about.

Except I never thought it was cute. In my opinion the only thing keeping you alive was the Constitution. You should all be banished to the "shithole" of your choice. No splitting of the US. We like it the way it is. trump had 4 years to prove he didn't suck cock. He responded by trying to sell us out to the Russians before he took office.

One good thing is flynn will be a pardoned felon. The new justice dept has many charges they can reinstate that they declined to initially file.
It's probably best he admit guilt (for what, the 3rd or 4th time) and we will land the plane in the Congo instead of him exiting 500 ft. above it.

Yes, y'all had 4 years to prove you were Americans. You aren't.

You can keep your guns. You will give up your social security numbers, passports, and citizenship.

One exception. Veterans. They will be allowed to stay after reaffirming their loyalty to the US and agreeing to 24 hour observation for 3 years. Oh, and proclaiming flynn is a treasonous scumbag.

To the rest of you I grant you your
right to a "Butch Cassidy and blah, blah" moment...using a Colt single action Army .45.

Now STFU, bend over, and prepare for your "prostate" exam.
You too "ladies". We only have you word you are girls.
And you have lied about so many other things.....

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Welp... Turns out actual reality is different from your perceived reality.

• Your baseline statements might be more accurate-ish if you included the term "automatic"
  • As in: there will be no "automatic" recount
• I expect some will trigger the automatic recount at local taxpayer expense
  • In addition, some State legislatures are already pondering this avenue over process concerns over the validity of vote totaling mechanics/methods
• Most states have a provision for requesting recount
  • They charge the requester the cost to perform the recount
  • Can be in the $3-5 Million range historically
  • This is usually a bar to avoid frivolous attempts at taxpayer expense
  • But Trump is a billionaire, so $3Million x 6 = $18 Million
  • So it really becomes a question of ROI for Trump and he's a businessman -Duh
• You also have to consider the terms recount versus validate
  • In their zeal-to-steal the election by slap-dash instituting new rules, using the COVID-con, the courts should rely on the laws that were actually and validly in effect
  • The SC court already has a vote segregation order in effect for Pennsylvania for example
• Does the FA-F*ck news media Constitutionally decide election and the winners thereof?
  • That would be a big fat NOPE!
• Will this end up in the courts?
  • Ya sure - you betcha
• Will it be completed by Monday?
  • Nope
• Will Trump just toss in the towel quickly?
  • Let history be your guide
  • But uhhmmm... also NOPE!

[Unique_Carpenter]

I'm amused that several of you are throwing trash.
Is it over? Nope.
Not till the 540+ electors do their thing.
Grace accurately brings up what the rules are for the end game vote totals.

She is on spot and unless 3 states change yes it's the dims. I think the pubs might get one but that's not enough.

However, my point here is not the pres race. I think a lot of states will be revisiting their election laws and probably tighten up procedures so some of the "mail in" timelines and other issues are clarified.
Frankly, a deadline for asking for a mail in or absentee needs to very early Oct as it takes time to issue, then mail, then return mail. As for counting, I suggest receipt by Thursday afternoon after. Note that my thoughts here are for processing issues regardless of party.
And almost all of the lawsuits filed would be tossed if these date issues are more clear.

[royamcr]

And remember these recounts are not free, the party requesting them usually has to pay for the labor involved.

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Arizona--


Unless something drastically changes-- there will be no recount. Arizona requires the margin to be within .1 (that's point one) percent in order for there to be a recount and does not allow requested recounts, only the automatic ones.



Georgia--


There will absolutely be a recount here. Its within the margin for a mandatory recount and honestly I'd feel better about things if there was a recount. That's a mighty slim margin-- the slimmest of all the states.


Michigan--


The margin is nowhere near what is needed to trigger a recount. Under their law, Trump is more than welcome to request one with the courts-- but is going to need compelling evidence of malfeasance in order to get it. Thus far-- none of the Trump teams legal actions include accusations of fraud (which-- makes me think their evidence may not be that great and they don't want to risk the potential of a perjury issue on their parts).



Nevada--


There "could" be a recount here-- as Nevada allows for it for any reason. But, I doubt there will be. Its a slim number of EC votes-- and the margin Biden won by is very similar to Clinton's margin in 2016. The Trump team would be better served to focus on the bigger cloisters of votes.


North Carolina--


Nope. Margin isn't there. Plus, its still in Trump's favor and despite all his claims that NC was fraudulent-- he's been very silent since Biden never captured the lead there.


Pennsylvania--


There won't be an automatic recount here. There may be a requested recount here-- but it requires the electors getting involved as they are the ones that must request it. This state is going to be somewhat interesting as there was already a few pending orders here. However-- with 20 EC votes... Trump will still have to clear one of the other states on the list.



Wisconsin--


There will be an automatic recount here based on their mandatory recount rules. However-- with about 20k votes separating the candidates-- it isn't likely to matter.





Overall-- his best odds are with trying to peel off Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Wisconsin-- with PA and GA being far easier than Wisconsin-- and he'll need all 3 to go in his favor. PA would pull Biden back to 270, GA isn't currently being counted so as of this moment, no impact.

[royamcr]

I don't think it matters if it is mail in or in person. A vote is a vote. Nobody should be disenfranchised for any reason. 95% of this is bluster from Trump that we will never see again. It kills him to lose unlike any other politician. Sure Hillary was upset, she should have won, but she didn't drag this on for months. There were some early recount requests but she let it go pretty quickly and conceded.

After the fuckups in 2000 a lot of changes and modernizations were made. You haven't heard anything about "hanging chads" for at least the last few elections.

This year was quite different with so many polling locations closed and people not wanting to stand in line for hours. It was different in all places some were fine, some weren't. Early voting probably helped. Pennsylvania's law of not starting to count until polls closed is crazy. And they aren't the only ones.

I'm not totally against a Republican either. I'd love to see a Mitt Romney in office. I wasn't a fan of Paul Ryan, so if Mitt has a better running mate then maybe.

We haven't heard the last of Paul Ryan either. He got out of this before his political career was ruined.

And yes in 2016 there were faithless electors. Trump lost a few and Hillary lost a couple I think. There will not be enough to fill in a 70 elector gap though.

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

I'm amused that several of you are throwing trash.
Is it over? Nope.
Not till the 540+ electors do their thing.
Grace accurately brings up what the rules are for the end game vote totals.

She is on spot and unless 3 states change yes it's the dims. I think the pubs might get one but that's not enough.

However, my point here is not the pres race. I think a lot of states will be revisiting their election laws and probably tighten up procedures so some of the "mail in" timelines and other issues are clarified.
Frankly, a deadline for asking for a mail in or absentee needs to very early Oct as it takes time to issue, then mail, then return mail. As for counting, I suggest receipt by Thursday afternoon after. Note that my thoughts here are for processing issues regardless of party.
And almost all of the lawsuits filed would be tossed if these date issues are more clear.

[winn dixie]

Dont matter if they recount! Its basically the same people that counted the first time! If they come up short again they will just "find" more biden votes!