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Old 11-04-2020, 09:06 AM   #1
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Biden looks screwed even if he wins









This is not the outcome Democrats expected.
Despite many bold predictions of a rout in which Democrats gained (or re-gained) Trumpian red territory of 2016, as of early Wednesday only one state — Arizona — had flipped from red to blue. Six states remain outstanding: Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

Assuming North Carolina and Georgia have slipped away from Biden — Georgia is not out of reach for him — and that Nevada remains blue, the best-case scenario for the former vice president is a 290-electoral vote victory. That’s more than George W. Bush achieved in his two successful campaigns (271 in 2000 and 286 in 2004), but fewer than Barack Obama (365 in 2008 and 332 in 2012) and Donald Trump (304 in 2016).
A win, of course, is a win. But if Biden is victorious, it will be under radically curtailed circumstances from what Democrats had assumed.
There are few hints in the 2020 results of a realignment akin to what Ronald Reagan achieved when he made Jimmy Carter a one-term president in 1980 and ushered in the era of modern conservatism. There is no sense that Biden has reformed and re-invented the Democratic Party to be more competitive the way Bill Clinton did in 1992, when he defeated George H.W. Bush. There aren’t yet hints that Biden has assembled a new coalition the way that Obama did in 2008.
Biden lost ground with Black voters and Latinos, though he gained some ground with white voters. Realignments are generally built around concrete ideas and specific policy platforms. But this campaign was always a referendum on Trump, rather than an affirmative endorsement of Biden and his agenda. That dynamic already cut against Biden claiming a strong positive mandate. He needed a crushing rejection of Trump to strengthen his case.
















He also needed the Senate.
But Democrats may fail to realize widespread predictions of re-taking the chamber. That would mean whoever prevails in the presidential race, Mitch McConnell might remain in charge of the upper chamber, retaining his role as arguably the most consequential politician in Washington. In that case Biden would be the first president in 32 years to come into office without control of Congress, another dynamic that would weaken claims of a mandate.
The Democrats’ anti-filibuster movement and its interest in expanding the Supreme Court and the Senate, or any other process reforms to maximize a new Democratic president’s power and influence, would be placed on pause. A President Biden’s agenda would be defined by his ability to win over the entire Senate Democratic caucus, from Bernie Sanders to Joe Manchin, and then as many as 10 Republicans. Ultimately, Biden would have to deal with McConnell, who would undoubtedly reprise the role he played in the Obama era when he had no incentive to help Obama rack up legislative achievements.
Final results that fall short of a massive rejection of Trump, as seems likely, would fail to trigger the repudiation of Trumpism in the Republican Party that many Democrats — and a minority of Republicans — had hoped for. As John Harris argues, whatever the final numbers, Trump’s appeal to half the country has proven to be durable. Even a narrow Biden victory would generate a larger debate about Trump’s harm to Republicans, but the full-scale de-Trumpification of the GOP required a landslide.
To be sure, presidents who have won narrow victories have been able to turn them into consequential presidencies. Bill Clinton, a popular vote plurality victor, passed much of his first term agenda and comfortably won reelection. Circumstances can always intervene. George W. Bush, the lowest electoral vote winner in modern history, vastly expanded executive branch powers after 9/11 on his way to reelection.
But this is not the scenario many Democrats hoped and prepared for. They wanted a landslide that ended before midnight on Election Day, one that unambiguously crushed Trump and Trumpism, swept in a Democratic Senate, and showed a large majority for the Biden agenda.
Some of these goals could become more real as the final numbers post. But instead, at least for now, Democrats have an unsettled outcome, a real possibility of a second Trump term, and in that vacuum of uncertainty a president who immediately began sowing doubts about the final results, in a speech in the East Room at 2:30 a.m., and making anti-democratic threats to disenfranchise Americans.
In fairness, a lot of Biden advisers tried to tamp down expectations. A senior Biden adviser told me last week that the “path of least resistance” for a Biden victory was through Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and the single electoral vote from Nebraska-2, a combination that wouldn’t require North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, or even Pennsylvania. It would be just enough for 270 electoral votes.
On Wednesday morning that appeared to be one of the more likely paths for Biden to become president: a bare victory, but victory nonetheless.


This from a DPST rag sums things up well.
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:14 AM   #2
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speaking of realignments or no realignments

my take is that the Hispanic vote was realigned toward conservatism

my rationales why are functions of:

1. trump-ism,
2. the radicalism of the dims,
3. the family and catholic orientation of Hispanics,
4. their work ethic,
5. being proud people, the mythic Texan culture that they readily absorb,
6. the fact they don't have a long history of being mentally on the dim plantation,

and something that might be the biggest reason, which is

7. competition among "minorities"

study prison populations. the Hispanics and blacks are among the greatest of enemies

you know, everything, even sex and football, is mental
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:27 AM   #3
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Conservatism is fine.

Trumpism is a blight on society.

It must and will be stopped.

A Biden Presidency will be the first step.

We'll know more by week's end.
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:41 AM   #4
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Nevada has stayed blue. Biden has flipped Ariz, Wisc and Mich. He only needed to flip three battleground states, he has done that. If he flips Penn that would just be gravy. He does not need Penn to get to 270. Real Clear politics and 538 were accurate this year. RCP had ARIZ +1.0 for Biden on 11/1/20.
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:43 AM   #5
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DPST states are working hard to figure how many false votes they need for 'victory" - and how to manufacture and insert the 'votes"

Every dead person in Pennsylvania from 1650 will vote DPST
Voter Fraud and chicanery is just part of the DPST normal election processes - Since before Tammany hall.
but - DPST's would not know that - they hate history as 'racist"!
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Old 11-04-2020, 11:51 AM   #6
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False votes?

Like the fake pandemic you’re milking?

Listen to yourself, DOTY!

Your Aeroflot return ticket is unused. Use it, DOTY, because as predicted, EVERY VOTE COUNTS
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Old 11-04-2020, 11:55 AM   #7
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Whiny, lying multiple handle DPST's!
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