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Old 08-25-2020, 09:00 PM   #16
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ACLU is too far gone. they have been corrupted by the communists that fill their ranks. gone are the days that this organization will defend a nazi's right to protest - they (nazis) don't represent their values.
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Old 08-25-2020, 09:02 PM   #17
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Do they represents yours?
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Old 08-25-2020, 09:19 PM   #18
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this is about Portland rather than Wisconsin but it's a classic HuffyPooPoo whitewash of the radical left by trying to portray only the alt-right as the problem.

Portland Police Are Giving Up On Policing The Far-Right

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August 25, 2020, 4:45 AM CDT


Proud Boy Alan Swinney points a gun during clashes between protesters against police brutality and racial injustice and groups like the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer in Portland, Oregon, on Aug. 22. (Photo: Maranie Staab/Reuters)


The Portland Police Bureau appears to have all but given up on policing the far-right factions brawling in the Oregon city’s streets, despite a recent escalation in violence that has seen those extremists throw explosives, brandish guns and in one case fire them at other protesters.

It’s common to see far-right extremist groups like the Proud Boys exchanging blows with counterprotesters in Portland. They’ve been doing that for years, often as PPB officers watched until a riot was officially declared and then police cleared the streets using tear gas and other munitions.

But over the weekend, police took an entirely hands-off approach to the fighting, even as the demonstrations grew more violent than ever. As officers stood by on Saturday, the Proud Boys and their far-right friends attacked and intimidated anti-fascist protesters using paintball guns, mace, fireworks, aluminum bats and various firearms, according to The Washington Post.

One of them — notorious Proud Boys organizer Alan Swinney — was seen pointing a gun at protesters, his finger on the trigger. Another Proud Boy, Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, was present, per the Post, in apparent violation of his parole over an attack at a similar demonstration in 2017 (he wasn’t apprehended on Saturday, but a judge on Monday issued a warrant for his arrest).


A member of the Proud Boys fires a paintball gun into a crowd of protesters against police brutality as the two sides clashed on Aug. 22 in Portland. For the second Saturday in a row, right-wing groups gathered in downtown Portland, sparking counterprotests and leading to violence. (Photo: Nathan Howard/Getty Images)


Meanwhile, over a loudspeaker, police encouraged those present to “self-monitor for criminal activity.” In essence, the PPB had thrown up its hands.

In a statement to The Washington Post, the bureau said that officers were tired from responding to ongoing demonstrations against racism and police brutality, which have kept Portland in the national spotlight for weeks. Officers wouldn’t intervene in small skirmishes between “willing participants,” even if the clashes fit the city’s definition of a riot.

“Each skirmish appeared to involve willing participants and the events were not enduring in time, so officers were not deployed to intervene,” the bureau said of Saturday’s events. “PPB members have been the focus of over 80 days of violent actions directed at the police, which is a major consideration for determining if police resources are necessary to interject between two groups with individuals who appear to be willingly engaging in physical confrontations for short durations.”

Allowing local far-right groups to wreak havoc on the city isn’t a big departure for the PPB. As the Proud Boys cheered, officers launched tear gas and other munitions at anti-fascist counterprotesters during a rally in 2017, which left one antifa protester with a gas canister lodged in his head. Police gave the Proud Boys an escort out of the city following a rally in 2018 that saw the far-right demonstrators outnumbered by anti-fascists. A key officer had a friendly and ongoing relationship with the leader of Proud Boys affiliate group Patriot Prayer, judging from texts obtained by Willamette Week.

But relinquishing the act of policing to the brawlers themselves is both new and concerning, especially given the context: Local extremists have escalated their violent tactics in recent weeks, brazenly introducing guns and a lot more weaponry to the melee.

Local right-wing protester Skylor Jernigan, who attended a conservative “flag wave” demonstration in Portland earlier this month alongside Swinney, allegedly shot at Black Lives Matter protesters from inside a car. (Nobody was hit.) He was later arrested and charged with two felony counts of unlawful use of a weapon. During the same event, Swinney was seen spraying protesters with chemical irritants and shooting them with rounds from a paintball gun. He faced no immediate consequence for those displays or for pointing a pistol at protesters this past Saturday.

Long before this month’s events, the Proud Boys and other local Portland groups had been emboldened by governmental inaction during their rallies. Proud Boys leadership admitted at a rally last year that one of their stated goals was to continue such demonstrations in order to waste taxpayer dollars, overburden city resources and embarrass Democratic Mayor Ted Wheeler. (For his part, Wheeler released a statement Monday saying he was “closely reviewing” the PPB’s “strategy to limit their intervention.”)

Now it appears that the Proud Boys enjoy not just a broader arsenal at their rallies, but a tacit promise from the city that they’ll face little to no police intervention.
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Old 08-25-2020, 09:30 PM   #19
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Good - I hope the boys continue to support the police and defend against the violent left wingers.
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Old 08-25-2020, 09:32 PM   #20
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Good - I hope the boys continue to support the police and defend against the violent left wingers.
black people talk about pride, white people have pride.
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Old 08-25-2020, 09:32 PM   #21
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Tucker pointed out tonight that the lying bastards at CNN did it again, running a chyron while their anchors speak that an "unarmed Black man" was shot. No official has commented on whether there was a gun in that car that he was reaching into and we are pretty sure from what we heard on the video and reports from the scene that he at the very least had a knife but no official has said that either. So how does a major news organization report that the man with and no first hand knowledge of whether a gun was found in the car, report that he was unarmed? There very well may not have been a gun in the vehicle but how does CNN know that? Aren't responsible journalists only suppose to report facts? Why not say "we do not know at this time whether he had a gun in the car or not". That would be the honest thing to say.



As one other poster asked, what is a cop supposed to do, wait to see what he gets out of the car and if it happens to be a gun, well, that's just a chance the cop must take? NO, that's why people are told not to reach into their cars when told not to. Once again, if this man had only done what he was told to do, what every citizen is supposed to do, follow the directives of police, he wouldn't face being paralyzed from gunshots meant to protect police who were trying to stop him from reaching into that car.
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Old 08-25-2020, 09:45 PM   #22
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They’re not riots they’re Biden rallies.
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Old 08-25-2020, 10:15 PM   #23
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There is more to the story...THIS GUY HARD AN ACTIVE WARRANT for some pretty bad stuff (sex offender and domestic abuse)...he's no quire boy headed to quire practice and gets shot by police. You wouldn't know that from the LSM. Has anyone seen on the LSM news anything about that...Hmmm
This video is from a different angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9g1fN2VdH4
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Old 08-26-2020, 04:04 AM   #24
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What happened beebsy. Is Trump MAGAings again?
Still glued to the Commie News Network in Canada?
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....No official has commented on whether there was a gun in that car that he was reaching into and we are pretty sure from what we heard on the video and reports from the scene that he at the very least had a knife but no official has said that either.
It doesn't matter ... if he was reaching for any object that appears to be a weapon under those circumstances ... the officers are justified in using deadly force to stop him from using the weapon ... they don't have to wait until he uses it or they determine if it is in fact a weapon.

That's a little suggestion for those of you who carry your ID/Insurance information in a glove box or other compartment when the officer is standing their asking you for it.

If anyone wants to "argue" the point ... I'll produce sufficient case law (from appeals) stating essentially what I posted above. An assault on a police officer is a felony in most states (I suppose some of the LoonaTick run states will start putting officers at risk by new legislation .... but that's pretty much standard in the U.S.
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And yous know this because...

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Old 08-26-2020, 08:19 AM   #27
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It doesn't matter ... if he was reaching for any object that appears to be a weapon under those circumstances ... the officers are justified in using deadly force to stop him from using the weapon ... they don't have to wait until he uses it or they determine if it is in fact a weapon.

That's a little suggestion for those of you who carry your ID/Insurance information in a glove box or other compartment when the officer is standing their asking you for it.

If anyone wants to "argue" the point ... I'll produce sufficient case law (from appeals) stating essentially what I posted above. An assault on a police officer is a felony in most states (I suppose some of the LoonaTick run states will start putting officers at risk by new legislation .... but that's pretty much standard in the U.S.
I agree.

Blake brought this on himself and the existence of the new video further reinforces the necessity of the police officers using the force required to stop the suspect from potentially killing them.

Additionally, the city should give Blake's family and attorney nothing in the civil suit.
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Old 08-26-2020, 08:30 AM   #28
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The Dim-wits want chaos in the streets , they want potus to take charge so they can call him a dictator Because its all his fault with the help of the LSM , remember PEACEFUL
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Remember - the DPST's in Control use the Hannah-Jones defintion of 'violence' - and riot, looting, murder, arson - no 'crime' is 'violent' if in support of teh OBLM and Antifa and the marxist DPST manifesto and narrtive.

all the burning buildings in cities cross America - it is all "peaceful".



If you want a 'Peaceful America - vote DPST Biden and his marxist heir apparent.

Civil War is coming.

fuck the LSM.

I would not shed a tear if XiNN was burned to the ground by its own home Plantation OBLM and Ant-Fa!.
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.. of you!

How many ballots are you mailing in for Bitten and Kumola?
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