Not the party of Your Father

[ICU 812]

Not Your Father's Party

The Democrat party of today is not the party of your Father.

The Democratic Party of 2020 is different from what we remember from the past . . .even the recent past.

It is not the party of Franklin Roosevelt, nor is it the party of Harry Truman. It is not the party of P:resident Kennedy or P:resident Johnson. It is not the party of George McGovern or Hubert Humphry. It is not the party of President Carter. None of these leaders would endorse the Democrat Party today.

It is not the party that sought to remake America through programs such as The New Deal, The Great Society or The War on Poverty'

This is not the party of Barbara Jordan or Caesar Chavez. The Democrat Party in 2020 is not the party of Viola Liuzzo or Medger Evers, both of whom died, alone, in the cause of civil rights. It is no longer the party of Ralph Abernathy, Andrew Young or Jessie Jackson, all of whom knelt over the bleeding body of Martin Luther King as he lay dying of an assassin's bullet.

This is not the party that demanded that the protections and freedoms of the Bill of Rights be applied for all persons regardless of their pint of view or the color of their skin.

In this second decade of the 21st Century, the Democrat Party has morphed away from its 20th Century liberal roots to become the party of progressive socialist such as Alexa Ocassio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders. The Democratic party of 2020 endorses and gives massive financial support to groups like Back Lives Matter and Antifa whose announced purpose is to dismantle our society.

It has turned its back on its 20th Century ideals embraced the legacy of Angela Davis, Stokley Carmichael, H.Rap Brown along with Bobby Seal and Abby Hoffmen. This is no longer the party of The Peace Corps. It has rather turned to the examples of the Weather Underground.

If you are a life-long Democrat, a liberal, a libertarian or a centrist-independent, please re-examine what the Democrat party stands for today. Then see if that is what you, yourself, actually stand for.

[ICU 812]

I realize that many here have no idea who the people mentioned in the post above were or what they did. if not, please take as few minutes to look up one or two of them. There are others, but these stood out in my mind as I wrote.

[sexykarma]

What do I stand for? Basically I'm a mix....mostly libertarian when it comes to personal freedoms, individual adult choices and consenting adult behaviors...I don't fit into any one party, there are things about me that people would consider republican in nature and other things that would fit into the democratic side.

Pro-choice, anti-welfare, not a gun nut nor a blame the gun guy, anti-church as it is clearly overbearing and overreaching, feel the draft age and drinking age should be the same, equal pay for equal work regardless of sex or race, equal rights for LBGT, cynical about politics in general because it's about self-serving politicians in bed with corporate america, I understand that if you're not a white male heterosexual christian then you are still trying to get all your rights, basically I'm a live and let live guy.

I'm a mutt but I choose what I stand for, I don't get caught up in the whole "I'm a republican so I have to believe this" , or whatever party they subscribe to. I rarely vote but if I do I vote for whoever best represents how I feel about issues full well knowing that the reality mix of corporations, money, and politics will never change.

Above everything I'm a realist.

[matchingmole]

[EagleEye]

And what of the Republican Party? It has changed quite a bit.


- Free traders?
- Strong defense, pro Alliances like NATO?
- Balanced budgets?
- Anti-communist (that includes the kleptocracy in USSR, er, Russia)?
- Global leadership of important orgs like UN, ASEAN, WHO, etc.



Both parties are being pulled to their extremes, aided by the social media amplification of mis and disinformation.



Our country is always a mix of viewpoints all along the political spectrum... current party ID is roughly 35% Rep, 39% Dem, 26% Indy. Compromise needs to be relearned. To paraphrase Mick Jagger, you can't always get (all of) what you want.

[ICU 812]

Where you stand anwhat you stand for is your business.

this is less about Blue-Red/Conservatives-Liberal or Pro Choice vs Pro Life . . .or any of the other issues facing our society today. Rather, it is about our ability to discuss, negotiate, legislate and litigate these issues now and in the future.

There are forces on the left just now that want to limit and eliminate the "free speech" rights that were fought for by the ACLU and the Democratic Party in the twentieth Century. The federal courts that ruled on these cases are now under siege in some cities by forces that wish to actually burn them down. The organizations behind this are being heavily financed by the Democratic Party today.

Whatever you feel strongly about changing cannot be accomplished if civil society is destroyed as is the announced goal of Antifa and others. Only by keeping these forces aty bay can we, as a society, continue to move forward incrementally remediating and addressing our flaws and faults.

The Democratic Party, as it is constituted today, is not an instrument for positive change.

That anyone has considered themselves to be a committed Democrat in the past is not a bad thing. Quite the opposite. The Party has, in the past, been a positive engine for change in advancing equality of opportunity , freedom and advancement for all.

It is not thast now.

[oeb11]

Well written - ICU.

DPST party is for radical marxist revolution in America - with themselves as the purveyor of marxism and totalitarianism!

[matchingmole]

The Republicans have had a turd as leader

[rexdutchman]

Well written, both parties not anything what they should be , The Turd leader is against the status quo .

[the_real_Barleycorn]

The difference between the two parties is that one party allows you independent thought and the other demands total, blind, subservient obedience. Note the never Trumpers, they are still republicans. However, if a good, gay liberal like Ellen Degeneres says something nice about Bush and she is vilified.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by sexykarma

What do I stand for? Basically I'm a mix....mostly libertarian when it comes to personal freedoms, individual adult choices and consenting adult behaviors...I don't fit into any one party, there are things about me that people would consider republican in nature and other things that would fit into the democratic side.

Pro-choice, anti-welfare, not a gun nut nor a blame the gun guy, anti-church as it is clearly overbearing and overreaching, feel the draft age and drinking age should be the same, equal pay for equal work regardless of sex or race, equal rights for LBGT, cynical about politics in general because it's about self-serving politicians in bed with corporate america, I understand that if you're not a white male heterosexual christian then you are still trying to get all your rights, basically I'm a live and let live guy.

I'm a mutt but I choose what I stand for, I don't get caught up in the whole "I'm a republican so I have to believe this" , or whatever party they subscribe to. I rarely vote but if I do I vote for whoever best represents how I feel about issues full well knowing that the reality mix of corporations, money, and politics will never change.

Above everything I'm a realist.

So if you don't mind my asking, who will you be voting for?

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by sexykarma

Above everything I'm a realist.

everyone claims to be a realist, including me

btw

not to quibble with the list of the 20th century dim actions/events/people

but there was no mention of woodrow wilson, the kkk, jim crow laws, margaret sanger, japanese internment, all the votes against the civil rights bill of 1964,big city corruption like daly of Chicago etc etc etc

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by EagleEye

And what of the Republican Party? It has changed quite a bit.


I don't know if the party has changed all that much but Donald Trump is certainly not your typical Republican. This may account for the never-Trumpers since he doesn't represent the old Republican party and may account for those Republicans and Independents like myself, that wanted a bit of "tweaking". I use to say I will not vote on a strictly party line but oh my how that has changed. I can't even entertain the thought of voting for any of these Democrats but there are still Republicans I will not vote for.



- Free traders?


Has there ever been "free trade"? Doesn't every country try to protect something? I think we can come close to a free trade philosophy if one or the other countries doesn't go to extreme with their protectionist tendencies. I think this is part of Trump's philosophy, fair trade. You want a little protection for something very important to your country, OK, just don't be an extremist.


- Strong defense, pro Alliances like NATO?


I don't think the Republican party has changed that much on this issue if at all. Now if one is going to argue that Trump doesn't want NATO, I think that is a false argument. Trump wanted a FAIR NATO just like he wants fair trade. That whole bullshit argument about Trump wanting to dismantle NATO was just that, a bullshit argument. Not sure if that is were you were going with that question but I thought I would add my 2 cents.


- Balanced budgets?


Republicans still get the nod here but will have to own up to increasing the deficit, but if anybody thinks the Democrats give a flying crap about balanced budgets, take a look at Biden's spending proposals and this pandemic has eliminated any hope at all that we will ever see reducing the debt much less balancing it. So if one is a balanced budget person, you really have no where to go.


- Anti-communist (that includes the kleptocracy in USSR, er, Russia)?


Again, leave out Trump if you must but the Republican party is as anti-Communist as they ever were. Trump blurred those lines regarding Russia, but I do not believe he believes in any form of Communism. The problem now emerging is the Democrats seemingly more inclined to stay cozy with China while Trump in the Republicans are looking for a 180 degree turn which is what I support.


- Global leadership of important orgs like UN, ASEAN, WHO, etc.


I am not a Globalist and I don't believe Trump is. The UN is a freaking waste of time. We should form a union of Democratic States. If you're leaders aren't fairly elected by the people, fuck you, start an organization of you own. To have China and Russia as a member of the Permanent Security Council is an insult and I would throw them out today if I could. Replace them with perhaps Germany and Canada. This doesn't mean we can't have relations and sign treaties with China and Russia but to allow those two to have a vote on world security matters is a joke and everybody knows it. It's like having Iran or Saudi Arabia on the human right council, a joke.




Both parties are being pulled to their extremes, aided by the social media amplification of mis and disinformation.



Sorry, I don't see the Republican party pulled to extremes in the same way the Democrats are. What is so far right about the Republican party? Can somebody tell me?




Our country is always a mix of viewpoints all along the political spectrum... current party ID is roughly 35% Rep, 39% Dem, 26% Indy. Compromise needs to be relearned. To paraphrase Mick Jagger, you can't always get (all of) what you want.

Let's be real, there is no more compromise to be had. We will continue to go back and forth because each time one party gets to much power, they manage to piss off enough people to make it swing back the other way. I think that just might happen this time but I have no doubt at all that if the Democrats seize power, they will fuck up so bad they will lose it in 2 years, 4 at the most.

[ICU 812]

IIn my mind, It is about the availability of discussion on the issues after the election.

If you are for the total elimination of the freedom we now have, to speak our mind (here for instance) then vote a straight party ballot for all the Democrats (can we still say "straight" ticket?) Whatever your position on any of the major issues facing us today, if you want to be able to negotiate, legislate and litigate them within the confines of our Constitution as it stands amended today, then please consider voting Republican all the way down the ballot.

Whatever you don't like about about what this country and our society are or how they operate, you will still have the opportunity to work on it going forward. . . .but only if those that support anarchy lose.

We are at a tipping point now.

If the forces that back Antifa and Black Lives Matter get full control, there will be anarchy with violent civil war . . .and I am afraid for that. The McCluskys in Missouri are not right-wing NRA gun nuts. They are liberal criminal defense lawyers that support liberal causes and are Democrats. They were afroed for their property. . . .and their lives.

That picture of them in a stand-off with that threatening crowd could be any of us, regardless of party affiliation if the election goes badly this fall.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

IIn my mind, It is about the availability of discussion on the issues after the election.

If you are for the total elimination of the freedom we now have, to speak our mind (here for instance) then vote a straight party ballot for all the Democrats (can we still say "straight" ticket?) Whatever your position on any of the major issues facing us today, if you want to be able to negotiate, legislate and litigate them within the confines of our Constitution as it stands amended today, then please consider voting Republican all the way down the ballot.

Whatever you don't like about about what this country and our society are or how they operate, you will still have the opportunity to work on it going forward. . . .but only if those that support anarchy lose.

We are at a tipping point now.

If the forces that back Antifa and Black Lives Matter get full control, there will be anarchy with violent civil war . . .and I am afraid for that. The McCluskys in Missouri are not right-wing NRA gun nuts. They are liberal criminal defense lawyers that support liberal causes and are Democrats. They were afroed for their property. . . .and their lives.

That picture of them in a stand-off with that threatening crowd could be any of us, regardless of party affiliation if the election goes badly this fall.

they maybe libs, but McCloskeys look like they're trump supporters. during the interview on Tucker's show, he has Trump's book (I think its Art of the Deal) on top of the bookshelf.