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Old 07-13-2020, 09:14 AM   #61
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Biggest mistake I made was voting for trump
He is worse than any politician in DC or Harrisburg
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Old 07-13-2020, 09:45 AM   #62
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SR - You criticize for 'not replying' - which seems to be the latest deflection. meanwhile - above - you claim to represent the opinion of 'most scientists' - Hardly.

Prove that assertion - SR.



Meanwhile - here is teh text from AOC:

116TH CONGRESS
1ST SESSION H. RES. ____
Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New
Deal.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to
the Committee on ______
RESOLUTION
Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create
a Green New Deal.
Whereas the October 2018 report entitled ‘‘Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5oC’’ by the intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the November 2018 Fourth National Climate Assessment report found that—
  1. human activity is the dominant cause of observed climate change over the past century;
  2. a changing climate is causing sea levels to rise and an increase in wildfires, severe storms, droughts, and other extreme weather events that threaten human life, healthy communities, and critical infrastructure
  3. global warming at or above 2 degrees Celsius beyond preindustrialized levels will cause—
    1. mass migration from the regions most affected by climate change;
    2. more than $500,000,000,000 in lost annual economic output in the United States by the year
      2100;
    3. wildfires that, by 2050, will annually burn at least twice as much forest area in the western
      United States than was typically burned by wildfires in the years preceding 2019;
    4. a loss of more than 99 percent of all coral reefs on Earth;
    5. more than 350,000,000 more people to be exposed globally to deadly heat stress by 2050; and
    6. a risk of damage to $1,000,000,000,000 of public infrastructure and coastal real estate in the
      United States; and
  4. global temperatures must be kept below 1.5 degrees Celsius above preindustrialized levels to avoid the most severe impacts of a changing climate, which will require—
    1. global reductions in greenhouse gas emissions from human sources of 40 to 60 percent from
      2010 levels by 2030; and
    2. net-zero emissions by 2050;
Whereas, because the United States has historically been responsible for a disproportionate amount of greenhouse gas emissions, having emitted 20 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions through 2014, and has a high technological capacity, the United States must take a leading role in reducing emissions through economic transformation;
Whereas the United States is currently experiencing several related crises, with—
  1. life expectancy declining while basic needs, such as clean air, clean water, healthy food, and adequate health care, housing, transportation, and education, are inaccessible to a significant portion of the United States population;
  2. a 4-decade trend of economic stagnation, deindustrialization, and antilabor policies that has led
    to—
    1. hourly wages overall stagnating since the 1970s despite increased worker productivity;
    2. the third-worst level of socioeconomic mobility in the developed world before the Great Recession
    3. the erosion of the earning and bargaining power of workers in the United States; and
    4. inadequate resources for public sector workers to confront the challenges of climate change
      at local, State, and Federal levels; and
  3. the greatest income inequality since the 1920s, with—
    1. the top 1 percent of earners accruing 91percent of gains in the first few years of economic
      recovery after the Great Recession;
    2. a large racial wealth divide amounting to a difference of 20 times more wealth between the average White family and the average Black family; and
    3. a gender earnings gap that results in women earning approximately 80 percent as much
      as men, at the median;
Whereas climate change, pollution, and environmental destruction have exacerbated systemic racial, regional, social, environmental, and economic injustices (referred to in this preamble as ‘‘systemic injustices’’) by disproportionately affecting indigenous communities, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this preamble as ‘‘frontline and vulnerable communities’’);
Whereas, climate change constitutes a direct threat to the national security of the United States—
  1. by impacting the economic, environmental, and social stability of countries and communities around the world; and
  2. by acting as a threat multiplier;
Whereas the Federal Government-led mobilizations during World War II and the New Deal created the greatest middle class that the United States has ever seen, but many members of frontline and vulnerable communities were excluded from many of the economic and societal benefits of those mobilizations; and
Whereas the House of Representatives recognizes that a new national, social, industrial, and economic mobilization on a scale not seen since World War II and the New Deal is a historic opportunity—
  1. to create millions of good, high-wage jobs in the United States;
  2. to provide unprecedented levels of prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States; and
  3. to counteract systemic injustices:
Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that—
  1. it is the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal—
    1. to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers;
    2. to create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States;
    3. to invest in the infrastructure and industry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century;
    4. to secure for all people of the United States for generations to come—
      (i) clean air and water;
      (ii) climate and community resiliency;
      (iii) healthy food;
      (iv) access to nature; and
      (v) a sustainable environment; and
    5. to promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous communities, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this resolution as ‘‘frontline and vulnerable communities’’);
  2. the goals described in subparagraphs of paragraph (1) above (referred to in this
    resolution as the ‘‘Green New Deal goals’’) should be accomplished through a 10-year national mobilization (referred to in this resolution as the ‘‘Green New Deal mobilization’’) that will require the following goals and projects—
    1. building resiliency against climate change-related disasters, such as extreme weather, including by leveraging funding and providing investments for community-defined projects and strategies;
    2. repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including—
      (i) by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible;
      (ii) by guaranteeing universal access to clean water;
      (iii) by reducing the risks posed by flooding and other climate impacts; and
      (iv) by ensuring that any infrastructure bill considered by Congress addresses climate change;
    3. meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources, including—
      (i) by dramatically expanding and upgrading existing renewable power sources; and
      (ii) by deploying new capacity;
    4. building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘‘smart’’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity;
    5. upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification;
    6. spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible, including by expanding renewable energy manufacturing and investing in existing manufacturing and industry;
    7. working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible, including—
      (i) by supporting family farming;
      (ii) by investing in sustainable farming and land use practices that increase soil health; and
      (iii) by building a more sustainable food system that ensures universal access to healthy food;
    8. overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in—
      (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing;
      (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and
      (iii) high-speed rail;
    9. mitigating and managing the long-term adverse health, economic, and other effects of pollution and climate change, including by providing funding for community-defined projects and strategies;
    10. removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere and reducing pollution, including by restoring natural ecosystems through proven low-tech solutions that increase soil carbon storage, such as preservation and afforestation;
    11. restoring and protecting threatened, endangered, and fragile ecosystems through locally appropriate and science-based projects that enhance biodiversity and support climate resiliency;
    12. cleaning up existing hazardous waste and abandoned sites to promote economic development and sustainability;
    13. identifying other emission and pollution sources and creating solutions to eliminate them; and
    14. promoting the international exchange of technology, expertise, products, funding, and services, with the aim of making the United States the international leader on climate action, and to help other countries achieve a Green New Deal;
  3. a Green New Deal must be developed through transparent and inclusive consultation, collaboration, and partnership with frontline and vulnerable communities, labor unions, worker cooperatives, civil society groups, academia, and businesses; and
  4. to achieve the Green New Deal goals and mobilization, a Green New Deal will require the following goals and projects—
    1. providing and leveraging, in a way that ensures that the public receives appropriate ownership stakes and returns on investment, adequate capital (including through community grants, public banks, and other public financing), technical expertise, supporting policies, and other forms of assistance to communities, organizations, Federal, State, and local government agencies, and businesses working on the Green New Deal mobilization;
    2. ensuring that the Federal Government takes into account the complete environmental and social costs and impacts of emissions through—
      (i) existing laws;
      (ii) new policies and programs; and
      (iii) ensuring that frontline and vulnerable communities shall not be adversely affected;
    3. providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States, with a focus on frontline and vulnerable communities, so those communities may be full and equal participants in the Green New Deal mobilization;
    4. making public investments in the research and development of new clean and renewable energy technologies and industries;
    5. directing investments to spur economic development, deepen and diversify industry in local and regional economies, and build wealth and community ownership, while prioritizing high-quality job creation and economic, social, and environmental benefits in frontline and vulnerable communities that may otherwise struggle with the transition away from greenhouse gas intensive industries;
    6. ensuring the use of democratic and participatory processes that are inclusive of and led by frontline and vulnerable communities and workers to plan, implement, and administer the Green New Deal mobilization at the local level;
    7. ensuring that the Green New Deal mobilization creates high-quality union jobs that pay prevailing wages, hires local workers, offers training and advancement opportunities, and guarantees wage and benefit parity for workers affected by the transition;
    8. guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States;
    9. strengthening and protecting the right of all workers to organize, unionize, and collectively bargain free of coercion, intimidation, and harassment;
    10. strengthening and enforcing labor, workplace health and safety, antidiscrimination, and wage and hour standards across all employers, industries, and sectors;
    11. enacting and enforcing trade rules, procurement standards, and border adjustments with strong labor and environmental protections—
      (i) to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas; and
      (ii) to grow domestic manufacturing in the United States;
    12. ensuring that public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and that eminent domain is not abused;
    13. obtaining the free, prior, and informed consent of indigenous people for all decisions that affect indigenous people and their traditional territories, honoring all treaties and agreements with indigenous people, and protecting and enforcing the sovereignty and land rights of indigenous people;
    14. ensuring a commercial environment where every businessperson is free from unfair competition and domination by domestic or international monopolies; and
    15. providing all people of the United States with—
      (i) high-quality health care;
      (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing;
      (iii) economic security; and
      (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.


references : issues regarding the Soylent green new Deal - AOC and Bernie's pet socialist marxist legislation:


https://cei.org/blog/how-much-will-g...SAAEgL23_D_BwE
https://www.rstreet.org/2019/02/21/w...iAAEgKcmfD_BwE
https://www.instituteforenergyresear...CAAEgJN0PD_BwE
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...mized/full.pdf


SR - i do not expect to change your opinion - having done your research for you.
Trillions of dollars to remake america into a Marxist nightmare - and no cooperation from any other country - this is a delusion that will not change anything to do with the climate.

One good thing - maisie hirono will have to take a sailboat from hawaii through the Panama Canal.

Silver Linings - SR!!!


BTW - Biden is fully on board wit this marxist nonsense - and institute it fully in place by 2030.

10 years - say hello to china nd Russia splitting a self-defeated America in two spheres of influence - at the Mississippi river.

Say hello to russian speak in th east - and Chinese in the west.




So SR - back on topic - If you love this marxist nonsense fourth grade written foolishness - Vote Biden!!!
he won't last long - and a radical marxist VP will take over - if elected.

enjoy Government confiscation of all property and means of production, and a government job, at a government facotry, and live in a govenment apartment on government worthless money, and shop at government stores to stand in line for aloaf of bread.

Enjoy the Soviet life style - SR.

And 9500 - nice two guys StoneWall Inn latest pic , 9500. OBLM will enforce marxism and homosexuality as the only way of life.




Middle america is Armed
Civil War is coming!



Civil war?!! lol




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Old 07-13-2020, 11:32 AM   #63
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SR - None so blind.


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Biggest mistake I made was voting for trump
He is worse than any politician in DC or Harrisburg

and you think Hillary would have been better?
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SR - None so blind.


Of course - Wacomposr articles are not ideologic 'Proof" if disagreed with - even by Liberals.
That is EXACTLY what I said. Biden is embracing the FRAMEWORK of the Green New Deal. He is not supporting every part of it.

Also as I said before, it all comes down to whether or not one believes global warming is caused by man and can be controlled. If one believes that, there is little in the Green New Deal that would be objectionable. If one does not believe it, then the Green New Deal is BS.
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Reasons to vote for Joe Biden!

zero reasons
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Old 07-14-2020, 08:14 AM   #68
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If Biden doesn't start backing the police he's going to lose. Guaranteed.

Even independents and undecideds want police protection.

Dead police and innocent children won't win.

Lawlessness won't win.
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That is EXACTLY what I said. Biden is embracing the FRAMEWORK of the Green New Deal. He is not supporting every part of it.

Also as I said before, it all comes down to whether or not one believes global warming is caused by man and can be controlled. If one believes that, there is little in the Green New Deal that would be objectionable. If one does not believe it, then the Green New Deal is BS.

SR - please look at the implications of what Bernie/AOC would do to America - a Complete government 1984 takeover. They plan a Venezuela socialism of Amerika!

I think You ae in Denial.

It is not about whether or not One believes in global warming as caused by man or not - it is the horrendous "Cure" of america alone under the Socialist communist Bernie and AOC dictators.

Remember - no involvement of anywhere else in the world - and they think global warming will affected without europe, russia, China, south America ???
Go ahead and Vote Biden - your mind is made up regardless.

Be careful what you ask for - You will get it from a DPSA Government.
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You are Dreaming !! Biden is not losing and what he does regarding LE is mostly immaterial.

The overwhelming public tenor is for more oversight of police and perhaps some change to their immunity status.Also some believe there is too many of them and they are geared up too much with military equipment.

I think basically they are angry and tired of themselves and their loved ones being murdered in the street by LE before they even make it to jail and a trial.Usually the police encounter is not even for a capital offense.

They are choked to death.They are shot and then there is a bullshit review and the script reads; I gave him a command and he did not follow it.I then felt threatened for my life.Then I shot them 16 times.

Chump's stance is against most public opinion plus there are so many other issues for Chump which are even more skewed against him.

Chump is DONE !!
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Hey sailor- move to minneapolis and live under a Marxist city council and no police protection - except for the nomenklatura city Council.
You will like your preview of Amerika as venezuela
Vote Biden for marxism!
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SR - please look at the implications of what Bernie/AOC would do to America - a Complete government 1984 takeover. They plan a Venezuela socialism of Amerika!

I think You ae in Denial.

It is not about whether or not One believes in global warming as caused by man or not - it is the horrendous "Cure" of america alone under the Socialist communist Bernie and AOC dictators.

Remember - no involvement of anywhere else in the world - and they think global warming will affected without europe, russia, China, south America ???
Go ahead and Vote Biden - your mind is made up regardless.

Be careful what you ask for - You will get it from a DPSA Government.
when the evidence is evident

and when things are apparently apparent

when the shining light is luminous

its sad to be blind

and its willful blindness at that, usually due to self interest in some manner
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NGIT - well written as always.
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It may be time for a refresher...



Biden is an idiot.
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I agree with you. To a point.
Libs can't produce 1 reason to vote for the Dems except that it's not Trump.
I don't like Trump on a personal level but he's kept his promises from day 1.
Borders are secure, employment is way up across EVERY demographic.
Every DEM state and city is a shithole
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