Breaking News: Biden says he'll get "104% of the Black vote" after Superstar black entertainer's endorsement

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I don't "rely" on polls any more than Trump does. He is VERY aware of each and every poll out there, even moreso than I am. Whenever he sees a poll positive to him, he mentions it. Whenever he sees polls negative towards him, he reacts. Last week when a CNN/SSRS poll had Trump trailing Biden by 14%, he hired McLauglin & Associates to investigate the polling methodology used by CNN/SSRS

I can put my faith in polls or the biased opinions of others, both Republican and Democratic, on a forum. I choose the former. You say you don't like polls yet you just cited one. Why? It supports YOUR POV.

I happen to agree. There is more enthuriasm among Trump supporters than Biden supporters. Yet polls show that does not seem to impact voters when asked for whom they will vote in November.

If you think votes in a primary mean anything, that is fine.

The results I have found for the 2020 Pennsylvania primary are 1.042,463 for Biden and 980,299 for Trump. 1,313,898 total votes for Democrats, 1.058,971 for Republicans. Unfortunately I looked at 3 different websites for results and got 3 different answers. ballotopia has the most votes for each candidate so whether that is meaningful or not is to be determined.

https://ballotpedia.org/Pennsylvania_elections,_2020

I got mine from NYTs, fake news:
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[bambino]

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These numbers coincide what the local news reported. I mentioned the enthusiasm poll because you post polls that support your POV. I don’t need polls to tell me Trump supporters enthusiasm is higher than Biden’s. It was clearly better than Clinton’s in 2016. Trump has proved to be a tireless and charismatic campaigner. Biden is not. Trump will be back on the stump soon. The difference between Trump and Biden will be stark and obvious.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

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These numbers coincide what the local news reported. I mentioned the enthusiasm poll because you post polls that support your POV. I don’t need polls to tell me Trump supporters enthusiasm is higher than Biden’s. It was clearly better than Clinton’s in 2016. Trump has proved to be a tireless and charismatic campaigner. Biden is not. Trump will be back on the stump soon. The difference between Trump and Biden will be stark and obvious.

I agree with you. Trump's campaign rallies have very enthusiastic attendees, all of whom are already Trump supporters. The question for which there is no answer is how many undecided voters will those rallies induce to vote for Trump? I'm sure your opinion is many. My opinion is few if any. No way to tell.

In the past 2 weeks Trump has been dying in the approval ratings, whether you put much faith in them or not. And I believe one reason is the compassion Joe Biden has shown towards others, a quality that Trump does not possess. You can put your faith in Trump's charismatic campaigning and I will counter that with Biden's care and compassion shown towards people of all colors.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bambino

... Trump will be back on the stump soon.

Sooner than you think.

In fact you'll hear the LameStreamMedia whining about why he's disrespecting Floyd by campaigning and not remaining inside the White House protecting all the Black people from the police all over the U.S. You know, like Obaminable and Bitten did.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I agree with you. Trump's campaign rallies have very enthusiastic attendees, all of whom are already Trump supporters. The question for which there is no answer is how many undecided voters will those rallies induce to vote for Trump? I'm sure your opinion is many. My opinion is few if any. No way to tell.

In the past 2 weeks Trump has been dying in the approval ratings, whether you put much faith in them or not. And I believe one reason is the compassion Joe Biden has shown towards others, a quality that Trump does not possess. You can put your faith in Trump's charismatic campaigning and I will counter that with Biden's care and compassion shown towards people of all colors.

Biden has compassion for votes not voters. after he gets the votes he could care less about people.



assuming there will be any campaign rallies this year, let's see who draws the bigger crowds, eh? you do recall Trump easily out-drew Clinton in 2016 yeah?

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Biden has compassion for votes not voters. after he gets the votes he could care less about people.

assuming there will be any campaign rallies this year, let's see who draws the bigger crowds, eh? you do recall Trump easily out-drew Clinton in 2016 yeah?

Again, Trump will draw the bigger rallies. I never said otherwise. He drew big rallies in 2018 for candidates that lost. There is no proven correlation between size of crowds at rallies and winning elections. Trump outdrew Clinton in 2016 and won by the skin of his teeth. 4 states won by between .2% and 1.2% of the vote.

To repeat -- there is no way to determine whether or not campaign rallies influence undecided voters to vote a certain way.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Again, Trump will draw the bigger rallies. I never said otherwise. He drew big rallies in 2018 for candidates that lost. There is no proven correlation between size of crowds at rallies and winning elections. Trump outdrew Clinton in 2016 and won by the skin of his teeth. 4 states won by between .2% and 1.2% of the vote.

To repeat -- there is no way to determine whether or not campaign rallies influence undecided voters to vote a certain way.

then why do candidates hold them? just a pep rally for the faithful? doesn't the crowd size show who is drawing more support? yeah it does. so by your logic any one at a rally for Biden or Trump has already decided who they'll vote for and by attending they signal that support.


so let's see who draws in the most supporters

[LexusLover]

Speedo keeps comparing everything to 2018 .... like there are similarities.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

then why do candidates hold them? just a pep rally for the faithful? doesn't the crowd size show who is drawing more support? yeah it does. so by your logic any one at a rally for Biden or Trump has already decided who they'll vote for and by attending they signal that support.


so let's see who draws in the most supporters

I think Trump holds rallies to inflate his ego.

So we have differing opinions on this. No I don't think rallies move the voting needle much in either direction. I have been to one rally in my life. I walked into it and out of it undecided.
What could a candidate say in a rally that you haven't heard before probably a hundred times?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I think Trump holds rallies to inflate his ego.

Trump supporters want to see him and listen to him.

That's a major distinction with Bitten ... no one gives a shit what he says.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Again, Trump will draw the bigger rallies. I never said otherwise. He drew big rallies in 2018 for candidates that lost. There is no proven correlation between size of crowds at rallies and winning elections. Trump outdrew Clinton in 2016 and won by the skin of his teeth. 4 states won by between .2% and 1.2% of the vote.

To repeat -- there is no way to determine whether or not campaign rallies influence undecided voters to vote a certain way.

There you go again. Regurgitating Trumps Margin of victory in key swing states in 2016. Go back and review your beloved polls. They had Clinton winning those states easily. Trump worked his ass of and WON those states while Hillary trusted Nate Silver. Just like you do. So, Trump won 304 Electoral votes. It wasn’t close. As an old football coach used to tell us: “Excuses are made by losers” you win or you lose. PERIOD

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I think Trump holds rallies to inflate his ego.

So we have differing opinions on this. No I don't think rallies move the voting needle much in either direction. I have been to one rally in my life. I walked into it and out of it undecided.
What could a candidate say in a rally that you haven't heard before probably a hundred times?

Well Speedy, people travel for miles and set up camps days before a Trump rally. That shows voter enthusiasm. Hillary had Springsteen and others performing at her “rallies” and couldn’t come close. If that doesn’t tell you something great. I hope Biden thinks the same way.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

There you go again. Regurgitating Trumps Margin of victory in key swing states in 2016. Go back and review your beloved polls. They had Clinton winning those states easily. Trump worked his ass of and WON those states while Hillary trusted Nate Silver. Just like you do. So, Trump won 304 Electoral votes. It wasn’t close. As an old football coach used to tell us: “Excuses are made by losers” you win or you lose. PERIOD

No they did not. The last poll in Michigan in 2016 had Trump leading by 2%. The last poll in Pennsylvania in 2016 had Trump down 1 point. The last poll in Florida had them even. Polls in Ohio and Iowa and Arizona had Trump ahead. The only polling at the state level that was off was in Wisconsin. So, without looking at the detail for all 50 states, it is possible that the polls were correct or easily within the margin of error in 49 of the 50 states. And the polls nailed the popular vote nationwide.

I do agree with you that Trump and his team worked harder than Clinton and her team and deserved the win. I never made excuses for Clinton's loss. What I will guarantee you is the Democratic party will not make the same mistakes in 2020. Biden might not win but he will take nothing for granted.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

Well Speedy, people travel for miles and set up camps days before a Trump rally. That shows voter enthusiasm. Hillary had Springsteen and others performing at her “rallies” and couldn’t come close. If that doesn’t tell you something great. I hope Biden thinks the same way.

Can you prove in any way that attendance at political rallies and the enthusiasm at those rallies influences undecided voters?

[oeb11]

SR- Can U disprove that an undecided voter who attends a Rally and hears a message might make a decision on voting for a candidate???


Of course Not - u are posing hypothetical argumentative nonsense.
One cannot generally prove a "negative'.