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Old 06-03-2020, 08:49 PM   #1
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Oeb and I have been discussing this in another thread, but I'll start a new one to avoid hijacking the old one.

Trump's recent comments about using the U.S. military to quell the riots apparently are the straw that broke the camel's back for Jim Mattis.

Mattis previously had gone out of his way not to criticize the President. This even applied to our abandonment of the Kurds in Syria, the issue that led to his resignation as Secretary of Defense. And he had held the chain of command, even after he resigned, in such high esteem that he didn't spill the beans on President Trump in his recent book. If he had undoubtedly his signing bonus and royalties would have been much higher.

In his defense, Trump was just popping off. His inability to control his mouth on this and many other issues has given the edge to Biden in the upcoming election.

In Union There Is Strength

by James Mattis

I have watched this week's unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words "Equal Justice Under Law" are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.

When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

We must reject any thinking of our cities as a "battlespace" that our uniformed military is called upon to "dominate." At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict— between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part.

Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders
who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that "America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more
forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat." We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose.
And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.

Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that "The Nazi slogan for destroying us...was 'Divide and Conquer.' Our American answer is 'In Union there is Strength.'" We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln's "better angels," and listen to them, as we work to unite.

Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.
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Fuck Him.
He’s nothing more now than a useful idiot for the Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Democrats.
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Fuck Trump...that bunker hidin' no good low life.
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Old 06-03-2020, 11:17 PM   #4
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Fuck Trump...that bunker hidin' no good low life.
I see you're getting your "facts" from the LameStreamMedia.

Did you want Trump to take to the streets and stop the burglaries, stealing, burning, and killing .... like Obaminable and Biden did?
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This made me LMAO...



"The honor"
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Old 06-04-2020, 07:00 AM   #7
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I see you're getting your "facts" from the LameStreamMedia.

Did you want Trump to take to the streets and stop the burglaries, stealing, burning, and killing .... like Obaminable and Biden did?



You get your news from Diamond and Silk.......hahahhahha
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Old 06-04-2020, 07:16 AM   #8
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You get your news from Diamond and Silk.......hahahhahha
So you are a racist after all?

Who is taller - Mad Dog Mattis or Mayor Mike Bloomberg?
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I do not feel I have the info to opine on Mattis - still - I agree with JS - from the quote he has become a DPST tool for socialism.
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I guess Mattis forgot that Eisenhower used active military members to quell violence in the US. As did JFK, LBJ and Bush.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...outputType=amp

And there’s this:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola...oll-finds/amp/

Oh well
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Old 06-04-2020, 09:57 AM   #11
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How disingenuous can Democrats get. The military was never to stop the peaceful protest such as they were, they were to stop the burning and looting. Take away the burning and looting and there would be no need for not only the military but for the police. If there were ever such a thing as a truly peaceful protest, no rocks, bottles, Molotov cocktails, no looting, no law enforcement would be needed but the FACT is, there is no such thing as a "peaceful protest" any more. Those days if they ever existed are in the rear view mirror much to the detriment of our country.


The "protesters" wanted justice. Well, they got it. So why all the destruction? That these police officers were going to be charged was a given before the first "march". The truth of the matter is that none of what we have witnessed had to happen for these officers to get charged. Literally everybody ( the majority ) left and right agreed to this before anybody hit the streets. This was all a waste of time, property and jobs for something that was going to happen anyway.
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I do not feel I have the info to opine on Mattis - still - I agree with JS - from the quote he has become a DPST tool for socialism.
Just another disgruntled ex-employee.
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60% of Americans agree with Trump on using the military to quell the violence. Just goes to show you how out of touch unelected bureaucrats like Mattis are. No wonder why Trump fires them.,Fucking clueless.
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60% of Americans agree with Trump on using the military to quell the violence. Just goes to show you how out of touch unelected bureaucrats like Mattis are. No wonder why Trump fires them.,Fucking clueless.
General MacArthur dispersed the Bonus Army, iffin' I be rememberin' ma history right...
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Mattis didn’t know many Presidents have used the military to quell violence. He should be ashamed of himself. But hey, Obama fired his ass too.
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