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Old 04-15-2020, 10:49 AM   #1
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Interesting take...

https://youtu.be/Gdd7dtDaYmM
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Old 04-15-2020, 10:53 AM   #2
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The theory of it being lab-created isn't really that news to people. Fox has finally started to touch on that fact recently.
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Old 04-15-2020, 07:59 PM   #3
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Fact??!! Jesus.

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/0...n-of-covid-19/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
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Old 04-15-2020, 08:48 PM   #4
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They didn’t find patient zero among the sick that were in the wet market.

5 foreign athletes were hospitalized during the military games in Wuhan in late October. They probably finished with the games and then toured Wuhan in November. They were all diagnosed with malaria though. But malaria gives you flu like symptoms just like covid19. Were they actually infected with covid19 at the time and misdiagnosed? No one knew what covid19 was at the time. I think I would track down those athletes and test them. What type of drug is trump hyping as a treatment....A malaria drug. Hmmmm. Who were these sick athletes and where were they from. Did malaria treatment help them.
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Literally none of this matters because of the fact that there is a literal viral laboratory in Wuhan.

But it's good to know you're as naive as you are into fear mongering.

You might not want to be on the internet, Tush. I heard it can be spread via looking at a monitor!
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So you think it's mere coincidence that a virus specifically being studied at the Wuhan Flu Academy happens to erupt in a fish market that doesn't sell the animals that the virus originated in?

What makes sense is that the bats were purposely infected to study the alterations made to the virus. That's one way to prove as a researcher that you properly understand the functions of the virus. I think the leak was accidental... but I also wouldn't put it past ChiCom leadership to let it loose on purpose.

It solves a multitude of problems for them...

How was it that the ChiComs Scientists were able to release the genome so quickly? I think it's because they already had it decoded... because they were actually working on it.
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There was a military lab at fort Detrick that got shut down by cdc for problems with containment of viruses in July 2019.

Starting in august there was an outbreak of flu like / pneumonia case throughout the United States. Xrays of one patient taken showed crystallization of the lungs like Covid19 also causes. There were no known cases of covid19 at the time. No one knew what it was. They blamed it on e-cigarettes.

Google and YouTube Maatje Benassi. Interesting stuff.
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Old 04-16-2020, 12:11 PM   #8
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Google and YouTube Maatje Benassi. Interesting stuff.
And that's how the Chinese counter-intel gets going... ;-)
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Being accidentally released from a research facility is not an impossible scenario. It doesn’t even have to have been engineered there. All it would take is a bat in captivity for research and a human getting contaminated caring for the research animals. Then the animal handler ( probably low pay no education position ) goes shopping at the market just a block away ?
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So you think it's mere coincidence that a virus specifically being studied at the Wuhan Flu Academy happens to erupt in a fish market that doesn't sell the animals that the virus originated in?

It blows my mind that anytime you bring up the fact that a communist government would evade the truth to benefit themselves just blows me away. They are actually asking us to believe that while studying Corona virus in bats in a bio lab a brand new naturally occurring Corona virus develops in bats less than a mile away. No where else in the world does this happen besides the same neighborhood. What is the statistical likelihood of this happening. Being retired from the medical field, do I think this happened. You would be a fool to think that it did not come from the lab.



What does concern me here is how China reacted regarding travel to/from Wuhan. The government of China stopped all travel between Wuhan and other cities of mainland China but did not stop international travel outside of Wuhan. So to the leadership of China they did not want any contact with citizens of Wuhan but was fine with Wuhan citizens flying outside of mainland China. They knew what they were dealing with at the time and were fine with having it spread to the outside world. A convenient way of spreading economic malaise through out the world after giving into the trade issues with Trump. Now the rest of the world is supposed to reach out to China for supplies and medication.
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Old 04-16-2020, 07:35 PM   #11
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So you think it's mere coincidence that a virus specifically being studied at the Wuhan Flu Academy happens to erupt in a fish market that doesn't sell the animals that the virus originated in?
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How was it that the ChiComs Scientists were able to release the genome so quickly? I think it's because they already had it decoded... because they were actually working on it.
It's not the Wuhan Flu Academy, it's the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The problem with your conspiracy theory is that the genome was actually released by a completely separate group of university scientists in Shanghai. They got in trouble for it, too, because they didn't clear it with Beijing before they released it.

The ability to do this has been around ever since the Human Genome Project. Sequencing a genome rapidly is no problem these days. A company called 23 and Me can analyze yours in a few days and send you a report. You may have seen their ads on TV.

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Being accidentally released from a research facility is not an impossible scenario. It doesn’t even have to have been engineered there. All it would take is a bat in captivity for research and a human getting contaminated caring for the research animals. Then the animal handler ( probably low pay no education position ) goes shopping at the market just a block away ?
I think this is getting close to the correct theory, except for one detail. The Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Huanan Seafood Market are not a block apart. They are more like 7 miles apart and on opposite sides of the Yangtze River. Sure you can get from one to the other pretty easily, but it's about 45 minutes by subway or taxi or even longer by bus.

Being fairly familiar with the geography of Wuhan, no theory has made much sense to me until now for several reasons. Around 50 people who shopped at the seafood market have been interviewed, and most reported that no bats were sold there. Another problem is that Dr. Li Wenliang, the ophthalmologist who noticed it, tried to alert his colleagues about it, was harassed by police for "spreading rumors", and eventually died of the disease, worked at Wuhan Central Hospital which is not near either the Virology Institute or the Seafood Market. Also, while a significant number of early cases were people who had been to the Seafood Market, some had not. All of these things seem uncorrelated to me, and so no theory has made much sense until now.

This week Bret Baier of Fox News has reported, based on multiple sources who have seen classified and unclassified documents, that the emerging theory is this. The virus is probably natural and came from bats being studied at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. A lab worker became infected, possibly unknowingly, and took it home to her boyfriend. The two of them spread it into the community. After several hops it spread across the city until it was finally noticed at the Central Hospital and at the Seafood Market. This now makes sense because we now know that people can be infected and spread the virus without ever showing symptoms or only feeling like they had a mild cold or flu. It also means that when the virus was finally noticed it was far more widespread than anyone thought.

Of course then we get into the whole question of this being covered up by the CCP to minimize the PR damage, but that's a whole different subject. This may or may not eventually turn out to be the correct theory, but it's the first one that makes sense to me and seems to fit all the data I know about. There's a principle in science that the simplest theory that fits the data is probably the right answer, so my guess is that this will be pretty close to the final answer.
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Being accidentally released from a research facility is not an impossible scenario. It doesn’t even have to have been engineered there. All it would take is a bat in captivity for research and a human getting contaminated caring for the research animals. Then the animal handler ( probably low pay no education position ) goes shopping at the market just a block away ?
Or maybe the lab worker could not control his or her impulses and ate the bat in question. I know I sound like a smart ass but they have been eating weird shit and doing weird shit over there for centuries. That said they need to come clean on this $9 trillion dollar fuck up so it can’t happen again
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Or maybe the lab worker could not control his or her impulses and ate the bat in question. I know I sound like a smart ass but they have been eating weird shit and doing weird shit over there for centuries. That said they need to come clean on this $9 trillion dollar fuck up so it can’t happen again
Or sold the bat at the wet market to earn a little bit of cash.

More likely, the virus is present in bat guano and the bat shit all over it’s cage and the janitor who had to clean it got it on his hands and touched his face.
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Ralph you most likely nailed it. That sick mother fucked probably tried to sell the bat as a one off at the fish market. The poor bastard probably made more off that than scrubbing the floors all week. I don’t hate these people but for fucks sakes it’s such a shit show over there. And why do we have almost all of our shit manufactured in China? It’s so we can maximize shareholder wealth by saving a buck or two.

I guess it’s better than the average crap-a-stan country where they are butt fucking each other left and right when they are not using a dull blade to decapitate people but it should make us stop and think about what we get ourselves into.
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It's not the Wuhan Flu Academy, it's the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Zero f*cks given. You obviously know what institution I was referring to. That's where the virus originated from period. Too many coincidences. How it got loose, is irrelevant. My point is that's where it came from.
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