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Old 01-28-2020, 06:58 PM   #1
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WASHINGTON—Republican leaders said they don’t currently have enough votes to block witnesses in President Trump’s Senate impeachment trial, people familiar with the matter said, after his legal team concluded its efforts to counter Democrats’ charges that the president abused power and obstructed Congress.
On the third and final day of presentations by the Trump legal team, lawyers tried to cast doubts on the importance and credibility of allegations by former national security adviser John Bolton about the president’s motives for freezing aid to Ukraine.
But at a meeting of all Republican senators late Tuesday, GOP leaders told their conference that they don’t currently have the votes to prevent witnesses from being called, people familiar with the matter said. Republicans had hoped to wrap up the trial with an acquittal of the president by this week, but Democrats have said he should appear under oath to offer a firsthand account of the president’s motivations for freezing aid to Ukraine—a matter at the heart

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) said the vote total wasn’t where it needed to be on blocking witnesses or documents, these people said. He had a card with “yes,” “no,” and “maybes” marked on it, apparently a whip count, but he didn’t show it to senators.
Sens. Cory Gardner of Colorado, Martha McSally of Arizona and Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who face competitive races in the fall, addressed their colleagues in the meeting, people familiar with the matter said. Mr. Gardner said a longer trial would lead to more Democratic attacks, according to a spokesman.
An administration official said the White House was optimistic it would get the necessary votes by Friday. “We are still in the game,” the official said.
During Tuesday’s proceedings, the president’s lawyers argued that House managers hadn’t established their case that Mr. Trump abused power and obstructed Congress and said the accusations fell short of the threshold needed to remove a president from office, particularly in an election year.
“The bar for impeachment cannot be set this low,” said Jay Sekulow, one of the president’s personal attorneys, of the Democrats’ impeachment case. Deputy White House counsel Pat Philbin said the abuse-of-power article was “infinitely malleable” and allowed for too much subjectivity. “How are we supposed to get the proof of what’s in the president’s head?” he asked.
White House counsel Pat Cipollone, in closing, reminded senators that the presidential election was nine months away and said the choice should be left to voters. “Why tear up their ballots?” he asked.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.), following the conclusion of the session, dismissed the Trump legal team’s arguments. “Their whole argument is diversion,” he said.
“If you don’t believe the newspaper report, call the witnesses,” he said of the Bolton account, which was first reported Sunday evening in the New York Times. He reminded senators that the witnesses Democrats have wanted to call but that have been blocked by the White House—which include Mr. Bolton and acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney—are Republicans appointed by the president.
Democrats, who control 47 seats, need four Republicans to join them to approve motions for new testimony or documents, which need a simple majority to pass. Starting Wednesday, the Senate will have two days to ask each side questions, followed by a vote later this week on new evidence.
In Tuesday’s closing, the defense team was seeking to persuade senators not to support hearing testimony from further witnesses, among them Mr. Bolton. Mr. Bolton wrote in a draft of his forthcoming book that the president told him he wanted to keep aid to Ukraine frozen until Kyiv had aided investigations into Democrats, including former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Mr. Bolton’s lawyer confirmed.
The president has denied Mr. Bolton’s description of the conversation. He has repeatedly said there was no link between freezing the aid to Ukraine and his push for investigations.
The president’s lawyers on Tuesday argued that too little is known about the Bolton claims for them to factor into the Senate trial.
Mr. Sekulow called the allegations “inadmissible” and pointed to the president’s denials, while accusing the former adviser of seeking to boost his book sales. Impeachment, he added, “is not a game of leaks and unsourced manuscripts. That is politics, unfortunately.”
The House last fall had sought Mr. Bolton’s testimony but moved forward with articles of impeachment when he declined to appear without a subpoena. The House declined to subpoena him in an effort to move quickly and not get bogged down in court fights.
A spokesman for Mr. Tillis, one of the senators who spoke up at Tuesday’s meeting, said the senator in the gathering said that the “entire impeachment process is a partisan sham.”
But the reports of Mr. Bolton’s account unsettled other Republican senators. Several who are on the fence about witnesses said Mr. Bolton’s claims strengthened the case for further testimony, while the number of senators the White House believes may vote for more testimony ticked up.
One proposal by Sen. James Lankford (R., Okla.) to make the Bolton manuscript available to the Senate in a classified setting for review drew the support of Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), a top ally of the president’s.
Mr. Schumer rejected the idea of reading the manuscript behind closed doors. “What an absurd proposal,” he said. “It is a book. There is no need for it to be read in the SCIF unless you want to hide something,” referring to a secure facility. The book is set to be published in March.
While no administration officials during the fall’s House hearings testified that they were told directly by Mr. Trump that he was holding up the aid to pressure Kyiv, four current and former officials said they understood that to be the case.
Republicans have said this week that if the Senate votes for more testimony, they want to call witnesses including Mr. Biden and his son, Hunter.
Sens. Mitt Romney (R., Utah) and Susan Collins (R., Maine) indicated on Monday that they were likely to favor witnesses. Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R., Alaska) and Lamar Alexander (R., Tenn.) remained open to the idea.
“I think that John Bolton probably has something to offer us,” Ms. Murkowski said Tuesday.
The White House has grown concerned in recent days that two other senators might vote in favor of more testimony: Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Rob Portman of Ohio, people familiar with the discussions said. The defense team has been preparing for the possibility that the Senate will vote in favor of calling more witnesses and discussing how it would go to court to fight a subpoena for Mr. Bolton’s testimony. Mr. Bolton has said he would testify during a Senate trial if subpoenaed.
Mr. Toomey suggested at a closed-door Senate lunch on Monday an arrangement in which the Senate subpoena Mr. Bolton as well as a witness sought by the White House, an approach Mr. Romney said he found fair.
“I think if you hear from one side, you probably ought to have a chance to hear from witnesses from the other side,” said Mr. Romney.
Republicans senators said that during the coming days of questioning they planned to ask about the elder Mr. Biden as vice president withholding loan guarantees from the Ukrainian government when the nation was slow to fire a prosecutor general whom Western diplomats criticized for not cracking down on corruption.
They also planned to ask about Hunter Biden’s role on the board of a Ukrainian gas company while his father was vice president. Mr. Trump and his allies have argued it was corrupt for Mr. Biden to call for the ouster of the Ukrainian prosecutor because he had once investigated the gas company, Burisma Holdings, that had ties to his son. The Bidens deny wrongdoing. Hunter Biden has said that serving on the company’s board showed poor judgment given his father’s anticorruption efforts.
Republicans also plan to use their questions to attack the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Calif.), over his office’s dealings with the whistleblower whose account of the Ukraine pressure campaign spurred the impeachment inquiry.
Democratic senators said they would like to ask questions that could allow the Democratic House managers to rebut comments from the Trump defense team.
Following the period of questioning, the Senate will hold as much as four hours of debate on whether to subpoena witnesses or documents. If that hurdle is cleared, the Senate would then proceed to vote on whether to hear from Mr. Bolton, subpoena the notes he took during his tenure as national security adviser and gather other information or hear from other witnesses.


As per WSJ - there may be enough republican sentiment among a few Senators to reach a 51 senator vote for witnesses after arguments and questions. DPST's are desperate to question Bolton - although anything he may testify to is very unlikely to materially affect the Senate Trial outcome.

The Fascist DPST's may be making a major error- if they vote and have witnesses - and Bolton testifies - the Republicans may well choose to call the Biden's - and the DPST's have opened the door to that testimony due to their own house managers presenting them in their case. The DPST's do not want the Biden's testifying under oath as to their Ukraine and Burisma corruption - and even a Stand on the 5th amendment severely damages Biden's candidacy.

DPST's may be opening a door they hae not thought through the consequences.

One consequence - the American public is turning off the trial in droves - something the Fascist DPST's thought would bolster them in Nov.

Turns out - the socialist candidates are turning off all but the radical progressives iin the party, and moderates are disgusted by the House antics and the flagrant vote pandering of the candidates at debate. might well not turnout so well for the Fascist DPST's.

Even a dyed in the wool kalifornnian - Feinstein - is doubtful of voting for conviction.

nazi pelosi will likely be in her ear like a buzzsaw - but that doubt is contagious - and other DPST senators are considering her comments carefully.

Would it be worth the time, and legal challenges to get the Bidens on the stand in this venue - I do not have an opinion. Perhaps if evidence is clearly confirmatory - and Biden's own tv tapes seem to show his corruption, a Senate Investigation committee would be the venue. Fascist DPST's will scream bloody murder about calling up a POTUS candidate, but after the house antics - i got no sympathy for the Fascist DPST's!
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:01 PM   #2
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Who cares? He won’t be removed. But the Dems have to let Republicans witnesses. Cooler heads will prevail. It will be over soon.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:07 PM   #3
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Fascist DPST's want to control who calls the witnesses and who they are - and admit only fascist DPST witnesses. nazi pelosi tried to control the Senate procedure from the house and failed miserably.

Cheesy Schumer won't want the Biden's testimony under any circumstances.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:15 PM   #4
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I can see this going on for months.

The Democrats opened this can of worms. Now they will have to live with what crawls out.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:31 PM   #5
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What I read says McConnell does not, to many maybes, but is confident he’ll have the votes by Friday.
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Old 01-28-2020, 08:08 PM   #6
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Why do some of the bordline RINOs want another shitshow like the Kavanaugh hearing? It doesn't help them and they'll need to be stranded in the Senate for several more weeks.
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Old 01-28-2020, 08:10 PM   #7
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Who cares? He won’t be removed. But the Dems have to let Republicans witnesses. Cooler heads will prevail. It will be over soon.
Every lawyer knows not to ask the witness questions they don't already know the answers. This breaks that cardinal rule.
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Old 01-28-2020, 08:30 PM   #8
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Continuing this circus does keep the Fascist DPST Senators confined to their Senate seats - and not out campaigning.

LOL
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Old 01-28-2020, 09:10 PM   #9
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Some Republican Senators out of hatred for Trump ( Mitt Romney ) or others because they are up for re-electon and they think any Democrat will vote for them if they vote for witnesses? Please, they will lose more Republican constituents than they will gain Democrats and they can bet the House on that but some might for whatever reason. They might be thinking "why not" vote to call Bolton and Mulvaney because Trump will assert EP and they won't be saying anything for weeks or more likely months assuming they can get expedited hearings before the SC.


Remember McGhan who was ordered by a federal judge to testify? Have you heard him testify yet? Nope and you are not likely to before the election. Roberts can't order Bolton to ignore EP and neither can 100 Senators. If Trump asserts privilege, it must go before a court which kinda tells you why a Congress can not issue a subpoena for a person in the Executive branch without a court order from the SC. And even if the SC were to say McGhan must testify that doesn't cover everybody I'm guessing.


So go ahead Republicans, try to save your ass by voting for Bolton because he won't be speaking any time soon and if he ever does and says "yep, I was right there in the room when the President said, I'm not releasing this aid until I get an assurance that Ukraine will investigate whether the Bidens were involved in the corruption at Burisma that we all know was corrupt".



Hunter Biden "did you know that the company whose checks you were cashing was under indictment"? Did you know about and participate in the corruption? How could you not know you were cashing checks from a corrupt company when the whole world including your father, knew Burisma was corrupt?


Eric Ciaramella, "who told you about the phone call"? Did you ever work for Joe Biden? Did you ever say to anybody you wanted to see President Trump impeached prior to being told of the phone call? Did you meet with Adam Schiff as well as his staff? What did they tell you? Did they help you draft your complaint?


So Hell yeah Mitt and Susan and whoever, go ahead and vote to call Bolton and Mulvaney because all you will be doing is prolonging the trial and we will definitely hear from those the Republicans call and what do you want to bet if called, Hunter Biden takes the 5th which of course the Democrats will all ask, "Hunter, what are you hiding"? Right?
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Some Republican Senators out of hatred for Trump ( Mitt Romney ) or others because they are up for re-electon and they think any Democrat will vote for them if they vote for witnesses? Please, they will lose more Republican constituents than they will gain Democrats and they can bet the House on that but some might for whatever reason. They might be thinking "why not" vote to call Bolton and Mulvaney because Trump will assert EP and they won't be saying anything for weeks or more likely months assuming they can get expedited hearings before the SC.


Remember McGhan who was ordered by a federal judge to testify? Have you heard him testify yet? Nope and you are not likely to before the election. Roberts can't order Bolton to ignore EP and neither can 100 Senators. If Trump asserts privilege, it must go before a court which kinda tells you why a Congress can not issue a subpoena for a person in the Executive branch without a court order from the SC. And even if the SC were to say McGhan must testify that doesn't cover everybody I'm guessing.


So go ahead Republicans, try to save your ass by voting for Bolton because he won't be speaking any time soon and if he ever does and says "yep, I was right there in the room when the President said, I'm not releasing this aid until I get an assurance that Ukraine will investigate whether the Bidens were involved in the corruption at Burisma that we all know was corrupt".



Hunter Biden "did you know that the company whose checks you were cashing was under indictment"? Did you know about and participate in the corruption? How could you not know you were cashing checks from a corrupt company when the whole world including your father, knew Burisma was corrupt?


Eric Ciaramella, "who told you about the phone call"? Did you ever work for Joe Biden? Did you ever say to anybody you wanted to see President Trump impeached prior to being told of the phone call? Did you meet with Adam Schiff as well as his staff? What did they tell you? Did they help you draft your complaint?


So Hell yeah Mitt and Susan and whoever, go ahead and vote to call Bolton and Mulvaney because all you will be doing is prolonging the trial and we will definitely hear from those the Republicans call and what do you want to bet if called, Hunter Biden takes the 5th which of course the Democrats will all ask, "Hunter, what are you hiding"? Right?
Ultimately witnesses will cause the Democrats to look even dumber than what they already are, especially if Hunter Biden is questioned about anything. He'll be stutter and stammer and shit all over himself. He's not a strong person, he's weak like his Daddy.
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Another Circle Jerk around oeb11...
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Another Circle Jerk around oeb11...
nah.. A circle jerk aint real unless you assup and solemate are there.
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My opinion "hunter " will NEVER be a witness ,,, the whole can of worms deep state crap will fall out
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My opinion "hunter " will NEVER be a witness ,,, the whole can of worms deep state crap will fall out
I think Hunter would refuse to testify, but it is not a deep state issue.. Nepotism has been around forever, Trump has employed it himself.

the best thing for the Democrats is that Witnesses get voted down. they can use that as a campaign tool.. anything else works against them.
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At the end of the day, Pussy Mittens will be the only Republican that will vote for witnesses. His whole purpose to be in the Senate is to fuck with Trump. Pretty pathetic.
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