A question and a challenge.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Okay, we had another mass shooting (I'm not talking about a weekend in Chicago) and the finger pointing starts. Here is the question; if you could have one wish what would you do to STOP gun violence. Here is the challenge; imagine no law exists on gun control and you get to write the ultimate legislative package. You cannot violate constitutional protections. You cannot deprive people of their property if lawfully owned. You cannot deprive people of any other right without due process.
That is your mission.

[LexusLover]

The AntiGun crowd can't even comprehend your proposal, so what makes you believe they can or will craft any legislation that meets this standard?

You cannot violate constitutional protections. You cannot deprive people of their property if lawfully owned. You cannot deprive people of any other right without due process. That is your mission.

That cannot do it.

[nevergaveitathought]

which is it...one wish or legislation?

one wish would be intact nuclear families with fathers being fathers

legislation? nothing will help

[gnadfly]

The problems isn't new laws or revised laws, the problem is enforcement of current laws. Like I've written many times about the FLA School shooter, there were failures of existing laws and policies at the local, state and federal level by bureaucrats. Their superiors are not holding those people accountable and fixing the problem. Instead they want new laws that only law abiding citizens will heed or be made criminals because of them.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Okay, we had another mass shooting (I'm not talking about a weekend in Chicago) and the finger pointing starts. Here is the question; if you could have one wish what would you do to STOP gun violence. Here is the challenge; imagine no law exists on gun control and you get to write the ultimate legislative package. You cannot violate constitutional protections. You cannot deprive people of their property if lawfully owned. You cannot deprive people of any other right without due process.
That is your mission.

I like Beto O'Rourke's idea, all assault rifles must be sold back to the government.

[themystic]

The 2nd Amendment has been altered multiple times since its inception. This was done to reflect changes in society evolving. Not many out there who say totally ban guns. RWL go ahead and list the handful of politicians who want to totally ban guns

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

I like Beto O'Rourke's idea, all assault rifles must be sold back to the government.

Is BEETO going to finance his idea by gifting the "buy back" money?

But first does BEETO know what is an "assault rifle"?



Oh, BTW: A "buy-back" program is a joke! What if I don't want to sell it? He "don't"! VVVV

[themystic]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Is BEETO going to finance his idea by gifting the "buy back" money?

But first does BEETO know what is an "assault rifle"?



Oh, BTW: A "buy-back" program is a joke! What if I don't want to sell it? He "don't"! VVVV

You really are a king dipshit. Why didn't you tell the truth behind this picture? This guy shot off a few rounds defending his home from gang members. Put hood on and go outside and play old man

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Here is the question; if you could have one wish what would you do to STOP gun violence.

I would wish the World had all happy people. then there would be no more wishing to do..

[papadee]

I'll try. First off I have no plans/ideas on what to do about the guns already in circulation. That's something I think about, so my ideas begin with all new guns.


1. Ban the importation of guns. If we're going to shoot each other, at least give jobs to Americans. Foreign gunmakers can build factories in the US.


2. All guns will have ID chips instead of serial numbers. It's the 21st century, why are we using late 19th/early 20th century tools? Make the guns eaiser to trace to the point of sale. If a gun sold in Ohio is used in a crime in Oregon, I want to know how it got there. Was it reported stolen? Sold? Put pressure on the OBs (Original Buyers) to become more responsible.


3. Restrict gun purchases for repeat offenders of #2. If you have straw buyers/street sellers/"lost or stolen" guns that end up in crimes, the OB has 2 strikes then is barred from buying more.


4. A 10 year rotating national gun check. Every 10 years, you bring your guns in, scan them, and you're back home. If you have 5 registered and only bring in 3, then you should have evidence of what happened to the other 2. Do it alphabetically, A-C, D-F, etc.


5. A commission (I know, bureaucracy) to study how legal guns become illegal. Almost all guns enter the US as legal, and are originally sold as legal. But after the initial sale, what happens? Theft? Straw buyer? Who's selling guns to the wrong people?


6. A closer look at the 2nd Amendment. The first 3 words, "a well regulated..." implies regulations or laws. We have to decide if that only applies to militias or gun owners in general.
And more importantly, why is the 2nd Amendment the only one interpreted by federal, state, and local laws? All the other Amendments are federal in scope. TX can't have different 1st Amendments rights than CA. Your 5th Amendments rights are the same across the US. Why is the 2nd different?


So those are my ideas. Not sure if it would stop gun violence, especially because they don't address the guns already in circulation.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Is BEETO going to finance his idea by gifting the "buy back" money?

Beto can finance it the same way Trump financed those corporate tax cuts (that are not paying for themselves).

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I would wish the World had all happy people. then there would be no more wishing to do..

To your point if the shooter's had an account on ECCIE or some other site like ECCIE there would be less violence. They would spend more time researching profiles and planning hookups than with there guns.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Here is the challenge; imagine no law exists on gun control and you get to write the ultimate legislative package. You cannot violate constitutional protections. You cannot deprive people of their property if lawfully owned. You cannot deprive people of any other right without due process.
That is your mission.

In layman's terms: I would make it law that everyone register all firearms -- past, present and future ownership. Make it law that all firearms sold at gunshows be registered to the new owner before sale is complete.

I beleive this would eliminate infringement of property rights. Anyone found with stolen firearms would face Federal incarceration. Not a fine. Firearms "found" anywhere are to be reported to authorities.

Contrary to what may be popular beleif on this board about my views, gun control is one I can compromise on. This is a basic first response to the fantasy proposition posed by the OP.

















Good thread.

Voted it up one star.

[RetiredSubmariner]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

I like Beto O'Rourke's idea, all assault rifles must be sold back to the government.

We had an 'Assault Weapon Ban'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...lt_Weapons_Ban

"Studies have shown the ban has had little effect in overall criminal activity and firearm homicides while there is tentative evidence that they decrease the frequency of mass shootings"

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

I like Beto O'Rourke's idea, all assault rifles must be sold back to the government.

The government never owned them in the first place. Beto talking about confiscation.