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Old 08-17-2019, 10:45 AM   #1
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Default A toxic rift opens between Democrats and Israel after the nation refuses entry to two members of Congress

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A politically explosive fight over Israel’s attempt to block two members of Congress from entering the country — at President Trump’s urging — has elevated rifts between it and Democrats who have increasingly started to view the Israeli government and its leader as out of line or, in the eyes of at least two presidential candidates, even racist.



The shift in dialogue has been accelerated by the tight embrace between Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and after a dizzying 48 hours, some Democrats are more openly discussing the unusual step of reconsidering foreign aid to the longtime ally.
The dispute has fractured bipartisan support for Israel and moved debates over it into partisan space more typically home to issues such as abortion, gun control and immigration.
“There is this tectonic shifting of one of the fundamental plates of American politics,” said Jeremy Ben-Ami, president of J Street, a liberal pro-Israel group. “This has been a plank of the rule book for 60 years, and things are shifting in a really important way.”
The situation also has put many Democratic lawmakers in the awkward position of defending colleagues they find politically toxic while rebuking a country they support. It has complicated a months-long effort by congressional Democrats to distance themselves from Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and repair some of the damage flowing from accusations that they were anti-Israel or, in the case of Omar, had made anti-Semitic remarks.
Trump has worked to portray those members of Congress as the face of the Democratic Party. But his extreme action — urging an ally to bar two members of Congress from entering — has forced many Democrats to defend Omar and Tlaib even while making clear that they do not agree with all of their views.
“The only person who won and got what they wanted was Trump. No one else was happy about it,” said Aaron Keyak, a Democratic strategist who works with pro-Israel groups. “He goes over the top in attacking them, and Israel goes over the top in responding. And then you force even hawkish Democrats to jump to their defense.”
“This is exactly what Trump wants,” he added. “And in the meantime it is hurting the support for the thing the pro-Israel community most cares about, which is the U.S.-Israeli relationship.”
For decades, Israel held a special place in American politics, with almost universal support. That has eroded over the past several years but seemed to disintegrate this week in a way that some fear could do irreparable damage.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), has been one of the most outspoken recent critics of Israel and has suggested withholding foreign aid. He labeled the country’s government as “dare I say, racist,” the same description fellow candidate and former Texas congressman Beto O’Rourke used for Netanyahu.
“If Israel doesn’t want members of the United States Congress to visit their country . . . maybe they can respectfully decline the billions of dollars that we give to Israel,” Sanders said on MSNBC.
The past few days also have jumbled a months-long strategy on the part of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her leadership team to try to emphasize that Democrats are friends of Israel, after months of accusations by the president that they are not. When Omar first sparked an uproar in February for using anti-Semitic tropes to criticize Israel, Trump attempted to suggest all Democrats are “anti-Jewish” and cast Republicans as the only true allies of the Middle Eastern democracy.
House Democratic leaders not only chided Omar for those comments and asked her to apologize, but they worked behind the scenes to assure Jewish voters and Israeli officials that Omar’s criticism did not represent the party as a whole.
House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.), one of the staunchest supporters of Israel in the House, also made good on a promise to hold a vote on a resolution condemning an anti-Israel boycott — despite strong First Amendment objections from liberals. The measure passed 398 to 17 on July 23, just days before Hoyer led a historically large delegation of freshman Democrats to Israel on a trip to learn about their security situation — another move to emphasize the party’s support for the country.
But now, many hawks on Israel have found themselves in a position of having to release statements criticizing a nation they have long defended.
“This matter is a self-inflicted wound by one of America’s closest allies, one of our closest friends, and a vibrant democracy,” Hoyer said in a Friday statement, his second such remark in about 24 hours. “President Trump’s urging of such action and its implementation were — and are — unacceptable.”
Hoyer, who personally pleaded with Netanyahu on Wednesday to allow Omar and Tlaib entry, went on to rebuke Israel for making Tlaib sign a letter limiting her actions in Israel in order to visit her grandmother in the West Bank. Tlaib ultimately declined to go.
Omar on Friday rebutted Netanyahu’s claim that the group had not requested to meet with any Israeli officials, and she outlined aspects of the itinerary, which included visits to Palestinian areas.
“As many of my colleagues have stated in the last 24 hours, we give Israel more than $3 billion in aid every year. This is predicated on their being an important ally in the region, and the ‘only democracy’ in the Middle East,” she wrote on Twitter. “Denying visits to duly elected Members of Congress is not consistent with being either an ally or a democracy. We should be leveraging that aid to stop the settlements and ensure full rights for Palestinians.”
Numerous Democrats said they worried about the long-term effects of politicizing the U.S.-Israel relationship. In an interview, Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), a vocal defender of Israel who like Sanders is Jewish, ticked off a range of policy ramifications should some of his colleagues start to view Israel negatively rather than as a strategic ally.
Israel is the greatest recipient of U.S. foreign aid, with the two countries signing a memorandum of understanding in 2016 outlining $38 billion in military aid for the next 10 years. Typically, Congress approves the funds on an overwhelmingly bipartisan basis — but with Democrats such as Sanders calling that into question, the future is uncertain.
"This will no doubt have an impact on the debate, on attitudes toward Israel, and on the growing concerns about Israel's actions under Netanyahu's right-wing leadership," said Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. "It's too early to come to conclusions as to where this debate will take us, but certainly aid is an issue that will be discussed."
© Abir Sultan/EPA-EFE/REX/Shutterstock A campaign billboard in Tel Aviv in July shows Netanyahu with Trump. A Pew survey released in April showed that the Israeli government was viewed negatively by 51 percent of Americans, with a sharp division along party lines in which Republicans were positive and Democrats were negative.
Jews overwhelmingly vote Democratic, with 71 percent in 2016 voting for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and 24 percent voting for Trump, according to exit polls.
© Kevin Lamarque/Reuters President Trump greets Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House in February 2017. Trump in 2015 played into Jewish stereotypes, telling the Republican Jewish Coalition “you’re not going to support me, because I don’t want your money.” In 2017, he equated the anti-Semitic marchers in Charlottesville with those who were protesting them, saying there were “very fine people on both sides.” At the same time, Trump is focused on trying to motivate evangelical Christians, who have a deep religious connection to Israel and have long made up a core of Trump’s base.
Many American Jews also have viewed Netanyahu as problematic and oppose some of his policies and his abandonment of a two-state Middle East solution.
“What’s so challenging to Democratic leaders here is they look at what’s happening in Israel and they see the reflection of Trump,” Ben-Ami said. “This is a strategic blunder of epic proportions that Netanyahu and his advisers have made, turning Israel into a branch of the Republican Party. This is a tiny little country in a very bad neighborhood that needs all the friends it can get.”
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Jewish democrats will see the Racist anti-Semitic shift of the DPST party in favor of the Fearsome Foursome. As a demographic group - I think they will move towards a Conservative viewpoint which condemns Anti-Semitism and racism in all its forums - unlike the DPST's embracing those who would cheerfully restart the ovens in America - farrakhan, the foursome, and many other DPST's!.
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:47 AM   #2
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And what's your point?
Dimofacists think they can rule the world?
Israel does have numerous friends, most of whom are in the nuke club.
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:52 AM   #3
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And what's your point?
why does posting a news article have to have "a point"? were you looking for something to jump the OP about?

I think the Arab Chick played her hand wrong. she asked to see Grandma, the Israeli's accepted her plea, then she tells them to fuck off. makes her look like a political Opportunist who didn't really give a shit about Grandma.
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Old 08-17-2019, 11:12 AM   #4
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^^^a political Opportunist who didn't really give a shit about Grandma.
There is no "makes her look like"...SHE FUCK IS!!

Welcome to the truth and the spin that the left hasn't let up on.
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:00 AM   #5
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The DPST crowd , really thinks they run the world its funny and sad at the same time IDEEEEOITS
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:11 AM   #6
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why does posting a news article have to have "a point"? were you looking for something to jump the OP about?

I think the Arab Chick played her hand wrong. she asked to see Grandma, the Israeli's accepted her plea, then she tells them to fuck off. makes her look like a political Opportunist who didn't really give a shit about Grandma.

Got that exactly "Right" CT. i agree.
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"Technically" I think someone posting a news article, except when it is truly breaking news, without some type of personal opinion if bad forum form.

Given that, the Israelis know that these two Muslim operatives are spies and rabble rousers. Israel was already on alert. The Dems should have never invited these anti-Semites on a trip.

Trump should be readying the State Dept to revoke Rep. Omar's citizenship.
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This is the best said by The World Jewish Council - she is targeting our Jewish entertainers.


"Lauder on Sunday compared Tlaib's boycott suggestion to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime. "The WJC fully supports the constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech and has borne witness to the historic horrors associated with boycotts and the suppression of free speech," he said. "Adolf Hitler infamously boycotted Jewish-owned businesses and worked to ban those in the entertainment and media industries who were critical of the Nazi party."
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Not Don Rickles!!!
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This is the best said by The World Jewish Council - she is targeting our Jewish entertainers.


"Lauder on Sunday compared Tlaib's boycott suggestion to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime. "The WJC fully supports the constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech and has borne witness to the historic horrors associated with boycotts and the suppression of free speech," he said. "Adolf Hitler infamously boycotted Jewish-owned businesses and worked to ban those in the entertainment and media industries who were critical of the Nazi party."
Which of “our Jewish entertainers” are you taking about?

More racist trope, Ellen. And you don’t even know how stupid it sounds. Or why.

Pity.
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I was talking about Bill Maher who is half Jewish. History note- the Natzi's did not care whether or not they were full blooded or half blooded - they wanted to kill them all.

You have got to be kidding me - I quoted directly from The Worlds Jewish Council - directly - Not my words but I agree with it - so now you are saying they are stupid and racist?

You are living on a different planet.

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Which of “our Jewish entertainers” are you taking about?

More racist trope, Ellen. And you don’t even know how stupid it sounds. Or why.

Pity.
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Old 08-19-2019, 11:37 AM   #12
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DPST's are the Anti-Semitic Racists - and the support for Omar, tlaib, and their murderous ilk proves how the DPST's Narrative is taken for gospel by the mis-led fools.

just as germany followed Hitler lockstep into war and murdering millions -not just Jews- the DPST's signal their acceptance of the same murderous, Racist pathway for America.
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I was talking about Bill Maher who is half Jewish. History note- the Natzi's did not care whether or not they were full blooded or half blooded - they wanted to kill them all.

You have got to be kidding me - I quoted directly from The Worlds Jewish Council - directly - Not my words but I agree with it - so now you are saying they are stupid and racist?

You are living on a different planet.
Yes he does. Just more liberal trope from YR. everyone’s a racist. Including him.
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