When do I know I'm in the clear?

[blueballedskeptic]

Hello all,


I'm a newbie. I'm trying to book my first date, but I'm also trying to be safe.


I've read lots of threads about how to get started, what to do, what not to do, etc., but something that I'm struggling with is at what point can I relax and confidently know that I'm not walking into a sting? When do I know I'm in the clear?


In one of the threads I read through, a provider said that undercover LE can do almost anything (she specifically mentioned exposing his genitalia) to get an arrest.



So what does that mean for clients? How far can undercover LE go? Can they undress you; kiss you; touch genitalia over clothing; or perform any sexual acts?


Thanks for your time and help!

[ICU 812]

UMmm .. .There is nothing in life that has ZERO risk.

Book with a well known and often reviewed provider. That means that n oone has reciently had any problems with her and LE. Do whatever she needs in the way of screening . . .that is how she does her due diligence.

Don't quibble over the donation. I try to book for more than an hour, at least 90 min, and I often bring ~20% for a tip in advance.

If for any reason you have a bad feeling about an in-call or its area, cancel with some excuse and try to re-schedule.

Best wishes . . .GO FOR IT.

[Fizley]

I second ICU suggestion about seeing well Reviewed providers. Post in your local forums in the "In seach of" (scroll all the way down on the main page to find your local forums) and ask for "newbie friendly providers".

One other piece of friendly advise. If anyone asks for an upfront donation, move on to the next provider. Always provide cash donation when in the room.

[Fsn57]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

... Do whatever she needs in the way of screening . . .that is how she does her due diligence. ...

Never do whatever she wants for screening if you're not comfortable with it. If you don't want to give out real world info and she wants that to screen, find another provider. Remember you don't know her any better than she knows you. Only accept the level of risk you are comfortable with. Use the big head before you walk in the door!

[pmdelites]

... I often bring ~20% for a tip in advance."
it's your money, so have at it.

i havent tipped an adult sex provider (who's grossing 250+/hour!!!) in many many moons.
if she provides me w/ a deliteful experience, my return visit(s) is(are) my tip(s).

[blueballedskeptic]

Thanks all for the replies.

So it seems like the answer to the question of "when do I know I'm in the clear?" is "before booking the date."--making sure the provider can be trusted. That makes total sense.

To play devil's advocate, though, this sort of mindset or practice is limiting--only seeing providers who have built up a clientele. How does a new provider meet clients and build up reviews? I guess that's where a question like "when do I know I'm in the clear?" becomes more apropos. So I'll stick to providers who are well-reviewed on ECCIE and/or have a P411 ID, but I am still interested to hear from clients who have seen new providers and if they have an answer to that question...

[Fizley]

At some point in your hobby career you will want to meet newbie providers (long time hobbiests call meeting new providers: tofit). Your new and asking questions. Stay with well Reviewed providers who don't play games. Give it a year,soak up as much information and when you start to feel something is amiss with a provider, after a phone call, or immediately after meeting her...you will know you have arrived.

For now, get the feel for the hobby, enjoy, and once you gain some experience and knowledge jump in on the new providers.

As for you question, there are plenty of well known names on the boards who will see new providers, want to be their first client, and purposly seak out new providers.

[Ed Highlight]

"THEY" are always watching... being overly fearful is your best defense! Being comfortable/confident will only allow you to let your guard down and then... that's when "THEY" getcha!!

Have fun!!

[Solemate62]

Originally Posted by Ed Highlight

"THEY" are always watching... being overly fearful is your best defense! Being comfortable/confident will only allow you to let your guard down and then... that's when "THEY" getcha!!

Have fun!!

Lol: sort of an oxymoron to terrify the guy and finish by telling him “have fun!”

[Old-T]

Definately stay with established, well reviewed ladies for a while. Not just for safety, but for comfort level. Two inexperienced nervous people can increase the odds of some serious mixed messages.

Finding/trying new ladies is always more of a dice roll. Often a more established friend--male or female--will speak well of her to the wider community. Sometimes a lady I know well will suggest I see a lady she is mentoring who is just starting.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Fsn57

Never do whatever she wants for screening if you're not comfortable with it. If you don't want to give out real world info and she wants that to screen, find another provider. Remember you don't know her any better than she knows you. Only accept the level of risk you are comfortable with. Use the big head before you walk in the door!

Yeah, I get that and withdraw the recommendation. I meant to say to expect her to want to check you out too. If you are not comfortable with it mome on.

[SinOrSwim]

You will know you are in the clear when you get home. LOL

[Joey_Gleet]

When St. Peter let's you through the Pearly Gates.

[Solemate62]

Originally Posted by Joey_Gleet

When St. Peter let's you through the Pearly Gates.

Religion injected into the topic? Hmmmm..

[Joey_Gleet]

Originally Posted by Solemate62

Religion injected into the topic? Hmmmm..

Not really. More using a commonly known reference to imply that , as Fats Waller said " One never know, do one ? ".
Robert Kraft probably thought he was clear after he walked out of the AMP.