First of all to the OP thank you for bringing this subject matter up at this time as we will never forget so thanks for reminding me and probably others.
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Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn
The Holocaust involved millions from many different countries and faiths. I did not single out one faith over another. In fact, I implied that many others including Christians have been murdered while some have jeered from the sidelines. If you want to be really inclusive I could call out the millions murdered by abortion.
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Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
there's a little bit of hypocrisy on this one.
theres remembrance for jews.
but none for the non jews... why? they were victims too.
12 million died, 6 million were jews, 6 million were non-jews.
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First of all I don't find either of the statements above to even borderline any ' out of bound shots' at Holocaust Victims and those who remember them nor the other victims of the Nazis. My entire maternal side of my family was wiped out by the dozens with the exception of my grandma and her brother who got out 3 days before the Nazis invaded Poland. I take no offense as it is a factual statement that there are forgotten victims but a distinction that might explain why and where some posts here came from is needed. Once again, nothing out of bounds mentioned, but a distinction can be made.
The Holocaust refers to an era, a time when Hitler and his goons decided by Genocide to make an attempt to wipe out an entire people on religious beliefs and had the Nazis not been stopped those numbers would be higher.
The Gyspies, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, members of the Catholic Church and others also were murdered but they are not included as Holocaust victims as the intent of their murders was not genocide rather persecution in the form of murder and the goal of the Third Reich was pure evil to murder and torture these people for being different in the eyes of the Nazis as not meeting social norms as claimed by Hitler & Company.
This is why the non-Jews murdered in this era are considered victims of the Nazis and not victims of the Holocaust and excluded in general terms when the term ' Holocaust Victim' is mentioned. None of the above is to diminish the meaning of the deaths of Jews or other as one more worthy of mourning and remembrance as the others.
In the years preceding the war the Germans persecuted Jews and all others mentioned but as the war developed and continued the decision to wipe out the Jewish people was made and stepped up and that is what has become known as the Holocaust, at the same time the persecution of the other groups also continued but many were exploited for forced labor whereas the Jews were sent directly to the for lack of better words the gas chambers.
But there is a distinction between the two by historians but all deaths are worthy of being remembered. No life lost to the Nazis is any more or less important whether they are grouped as victims of the Holocaust or victims of Nazi persecution.
The below are two examples of recent German efforts to memorialize and remember victims of Nazi racism and persecution that were not Jewish and in addition to this there is a Holocaust memorial and museum in Berlin I would encourage all people to see as well as one in Washington DC and of course Yad Vashem in Israel. Been to all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memori...onal_Socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memori...d_Under_Nazism
Today (May 2nd) is Holocaust Remembrance Day.
