The 2020 Presidential Election

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by austingeek

so the dem primary clown car will be decided by super delegates. The people have no say in that party.

Neither Dem nor Rep care about protecting liberty anymore. I'm more interested in state level offices anymore.

The system was reformed last year so that super delegates have far less power.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/25/64172...nating-process

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...nominee-796151

Super delegates will not be choosing our president. At this point, only the Russian government has been given the green light to choose our president.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

We'll see what happens when he leaves office. I'm sure she would get quite a bit of money in a divorce. Marla Maples has a net worth of $20 million. Ivana Trump has a net worth of $60 million. And neither has to put up with Donald Trump.

Do you realize how pathetic looking Donald Trump would be if he didn't dye his hair and didn't keep it long so he can comb over his bald spots? He would look like Melania's father, possibly her grandfather. He already looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy in his golf garb. So I assume Melania is not in it for his looks but rather his personality. ROTFLMAO.

But back to politics. I do not support impeaching Trump. I would like to see Democrats back off on their investigations. Trump has failed on his major campaign promises to the American people. That alone should weigh on the minds of voters in 2020.

First, Trump doesn't dye his hair and that isn't a comb over and he doesn't have any bald spots. That's the way his hair has always been except there's some grey spots and it's much thinner now. But it's always been thin.

Secondly, where are you getting this "failed on his major campaign promises" stuff? There's never been anyone whose kept so many promises. If anything people are perturbed because he's keeping so many which shouldn't be kept, like the stupid Border Wall idea. When it comes to trade, de-regulation, the Supreme Court, taxes, Jerusalem (another stupid one) foreign policy he's kept them all. The only one he hasn't pushed forward is Obama Care, but then he has made it voluntary by not enforcing the Mandate stupidly upheld by Justice Roberts (he's a total dumbass).

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by pussycat

First, Trump doesn't dye his hair and that isn't a comb over and he doesn't have any bald spots. That's the way his hair has always been except there's some grey spots and it's much thinner now. But it's always been thin.

February of last year, Trump was speaking at a Conservative Political Action Conference in Oxon Hill, Md. And he said:

“Oh, I try like hell to hide that bald spot, folks. I work hard at it,” Trump said. “It doesn’t look bad. Hey, we are hanging in, we are hanging in, we are hanging in there. Right? Together, we are hanging in.”

Yeah, he doesn't have the bald spot(s) that even he has admitted to. pussycat, why are you so addicted to spreading fake news?

And there are photos all over the internet of Trump's comb-over flapping around ridiculously. Do you need to see them?

You said a lot of silly things, but you forgot to say this:

"His skin is naturally orange."

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by 00 gauge

Obviously you haven't seen any of the videos making the rounds of those imbeciles attacking those while spewing their hate rhetoric and venom against those wearing the MAGA hats ..... speaking of inflicting violence! .....

Could you supply video of the Democratic Presidential contenders encouraging their supports to cause physical violence on those that don't have their point of view?

[knotty man]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._our_side.html

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Could you supply video of the Democratic Presidential contenders encouraging their supports to cause physical violence on those that don't have their point of view?

Originally Posted by knotty man

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._our_side.html

Out of the twenty that have put in the paperwork to vie for the Democratic contender for office, she is not one of them.

Thank God.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

The system was reformed last year so that super delegates have far less power.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/25/64172...nating-process

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...nominee-796151

Super delegates will not be choosing our president. At this point, only the Russian government has been given the green light to choose our president.

Very good news. One person, one vote.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by pussycat

First, Trump doesn't dye his hair and that isn't a comb over and he doesn't have any bald spots. That's the way his hair has always been except there's some grey spots and it's much thinner now. But it's always been thin.

Secondly, where are you getting this "failed on his major campaign promises" stuff? There's never been anyone whose kept so many promises. If anything people are perturbed because he's keeping so many which shouldn't be kept, like the stupid Border Wall idea. When it comes to trade, de-regulation, the Supreme Court, taxes, Jerusalem (another stupid one) foreign policy he's kept them all. The only one he hasn't pushed forward is Obama Care, but then he has made it voluntary by not enforcing the Mandate stupidly upheld by Justice Roberts (he's a total dumbass).

Trump's hair color changes almost day-to-day. Sometimes a bright orange, sometimes light blonde, and many shades in-between. And he has admitted that he has a bald spot and tries hard to cover it up.

https://hmmdaily.com/2019/02/26/dona...oes-not-exist/

His promises? No, the wall is NOT being built as he would like it. So far he has received about $1.3 billion in funding. Most of the wall construction so far is to repair existing structures that were funded years ago. Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, have not seen fit to fund the wall. That is why he is trying to circumvent Congress by diverting money from funded projects to his wall, a tactic which will be decided in court.
Trade? How are those tariffs working out? Worst decision ever made was to impose tariffs. Costing average consumers in this country millions of dollars.

Taxes? Great for the corporations and the rich, not so good for those at the middle.

Foreign policy? Approval ratings for Trump in this country are bad but in foreign countries they are pathetic. We depend on foreign countries and Trump is an isolationist.

Failure on health care. Failure so far on immigration. Failure to help the middle class. A country more divided than ever. Keep it up Donald.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Trump's hair color changes almost day-to-day. Sometimes a bright orange, sometimes light blonde, and many shades in-between. And he has admitted that he has a bald spot and tries hard to cover it up.

https://hmmdaily.com/2019/02/26/dona...oes-not-exist/

His promises? No, the wall is NOT being built as he would like it. So far he has received about $1.3 billion in funding. Most of the wall construction so far is to repair existing structures that were funded years ago. Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, have not seen fit to fund the wall. That is why he is trying to circumvent Congress by diverting money from funded projects to his wall, a tactic which will be decided in court.
Trade? How are those tariffs working out? Worst decision ever made was to impose tariffs. Costing average consumers in this country millions of dollars.

Taxes? Great for the corporations and the rich, not so good for those at the middle.

Foreign policy? Approval ratings for Trump in this country are bad but in foreign countries they are pathetic. We depend on foreign countries and Trump is an isolationist.

Failure on health care. Failure so far on immigration. Failure to help the middle class. A country more divided than ever. Keep it up Donald.

The whole idea of tariffs is to make the other country's products more expensive to buy. That's the whole point. It's called protecting your own industries.

Neo liberal economists who have ruined the world and given us the concentration of wealth at the very top which you claim to abhor are the ones who point to lower prices for consumers as the great benefit, but they fail to accept that the reason why places like Walmart have spread while Macys and Sears have declined is because the loss of our own manufacturing has shrunken our wages.

Under Trump wages are now higher than in decades...decades. This is a sudden and dramatic improvement which has happened just in the last two years.

The reason for it is the return of many factories due to a host of problems now in staying in China or Mexico. There is now so much uncertainty involved in staying in those two countries that manufacturers are now moving back to America.

We have Trump to thank for that. As well his fiscal policies have been extremely stimulative. And although I oppose the large deficits tax revenues from sources other than Corporations are way up.

As for corporate taxes they have to be lowered even further because our competitors have lower rates and our tax structure still encourages distortions. Amazon and many other corporate titans still pay no taxes regardless of what the rates are, and to achieve this slight of hand they have to undertake all kinds of distorted moves that benefit no one.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by pussycat

The whole idea of tariffs is to make the other country's products more expensive to buy. That's the whole point. It's called protecting your own industries.

Neo liberal economists who have ruined the world and given us the concentration of wealth at the very top which you claim to abhor are the ones who point to lower prices for consumers as the great benefit, but they fail to accept that the reason why places like Walmart have spread while Macys and Sears have declined is because the loss of our own manufacturing has shrunken our wages.

Under Trump wages are now higher than in decades...decades. This is a sudden and dramatic improvement which has happened just in the last two years.

The reason for it is the return of many factories due to a host of problems now in staying in China or Mexico. There is now so much uncertainty involved in staying in those two countries that manufacturers are now moving back to America.

We have Trump to thank for that. As well his fiscal policies have been extremely stimulative. And although I oppose the large deficits tax revenues from sources other than Corporations are way up.

As for corporate taxes they have to be lowered even further because our competitors have lower rates and our tax structure still encourages distortions. Amazon and many other corporate titans still pay no taxes regardless of what the rates are, and to achieve this slight of hand they have to undertake all kinds of distorted moves that benefit no one.

If you can find more than one economist who believes tariffs are good I would be surprised.

https://www.aei.org/publication/trum...kaAnEUEALw_wcB

"At the time, the University of Chicago polled dozens of America’s top economists on the subject, asking if they believed the tariffs would make Americans better off. Not a single one agreed they would.

The economists estimate that Americans were left about $7 billion poorer because of the economic consequences of the tariffs, and they also paid $12 billion more in taxes to the government. Ironically enough, the Trump administration is issuing up to $12 billion in payments to farmers who have been hurt by the trade war."

https://fee.org/articles/trump-s-tar...4aAtToEALw_wcB

Wages increase just about every year. When you give corporations a massive decrease in their taxes, hopefully some of the money flows back to the workers. It did with the tax reform package, but not as much as was expected. And when you factor in inflation, real wages barely moved in 2018.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick.../#7f9ec86f7284

Yes, manufacturing jobs have been moving back to the U.S. but not due to the reasons you cited. Has nothing to do with uncertainties in China and Mexico, unless you have supporting links.

Top Five Reasons Why Manufacturing is Coming Back to the U.S.

https://www.qualitymag.com/articles/...back-to-the-us

The economy is doing fine under Trump. That is the least of his problems in getting re-elected. I look at 4 primary issues that his re-election depends on, a 4-legged stool..

1. The economy. Few complaints here although the economy was doing great in November 2018 when Democrats won big time.

2. Health care. Total failure for Trump and the Republicans.

3. Immigration. Trump can't get funding for his wall via Congress so he is going through the back door, possibly unconstitutionally, in order to get his funding. Has no solution to stopping the caravans.

4. His character. In 2016 many people voted against Clinton rather than for Trump. And many people voted against Trump rather than for Clinton. In 2020 it is impossible for Democrats to nominate a less liked person than Clinton. And we still have Trump who has the lowest overall approval rating of any POTUS since approval ratings came into being. I said it a long time ago -- his tweets and comments will cost him thousands and thousands of votes and possibly the 2020 election.

So starting with the 4-legged stool, Trump is down to at most 2 legs. And if he doesn't do something positive on immigration, that becomes a 1-legged stool. Good luck.

[Austin Ellen]

Ha! Love your 4-legged chair analogy. The only thing about that is Trump does better on one leg then most Presidents with 4 legs! But keep trying! Oh by the way - The Republicans are keeping the Senate in 2020. Just like they did in 2018.

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

If you can find more than one economist who believes tariffs are good I would be surprised.

https://www.aei.org/publication/trum...kaAnEUEALw_wcB

"At the time, the University of Chicago polled dozens of America’s top economists on the subject, asking if they believed the tariffs would make Americans better off. Not a single one agreed they would.

The economists estimate that Americans were left about $7 billion poorer because of the economic consequences of the tariffs, and they also paid $12 billion more in taxes to the government. Ironically enough, the Trump administration is issuing up to $12 billion in payments to farmers who have been hurt by the trade war."

https://fee.org/articles/trump-s-tar...4aAtToEALw_wcB

Wages increase just about every year. When you give corporations a massive decrease in their taxes, hopefully some of the money flows back to the workers. It did with the tax reform package, but not as much as was expected. And when you factor in inflation, real wages barely moved in 2018.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick.../#7f9ec86f7284

Yes, manufacturing jobs have been moving back to the U.S. but not due to the reasons you cited. Has nothing to do with uncertainties in China and Mexico, unless you have supporting links.

Top Five Reasons Why Manufacturing is Coming Back to the U.S.

https://www.qualitymag.com/articles/...back-to-the-us

The economy is doing fine under Trump. That is the least of his problems in getting re-elected. I look at 4 primary issues that his re-election depends on, a 4-legged stool..

1. The economy. Few complaints here although the economy was doing great in November 2018 when Democrats won big time.

2. Health care. Total failure for Trump and the Republicans.

3. Immigration. Trump can't get funding for his wall via Congress so he is going through the back door, possibly unconstitutionally, in order to get his funding. Has no solution to stopping the caravans.

4. His character. In 2016 many people voted against Clinton rather than for Trump. And many people voted against Trump rather than for Clinton. In 2020 it is impossible for Democrats to nominate a less liked person than Clinton. And we still have Trump who has the lowest overall approval rating of any POTUS since approval ratings came into being. I said it a long time ago -- his tweets and comments will cost him thousands and thousands of votes and possibly the 2020 election.

So starting with the 4-legged stool, Trump is down to at most 2 legs. And if he doesn't do something positive on immigration, that becomes a 1-legged stool. Good luck.

[knotty man]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

If you can find more than one economist who believes tariffs are good I would be surprised.

https://www.aei.org/publication/trum...kaAnEUEALw_wcB

"At the time, the University of Chicago polled dozens of America’s top economists on the subject, asking if they believed the tariffs would make Americans better off. Not a single one agreed they would.

The economists estimate that Americans were left about $7 billion poorer because of the economic consequences of the tariffs, and they also paid $12 billion more in taxes to the government. Ironically enough, the Trump administration is issuing up to $12 billion in payments to farmers who have been hurt by the trade war."

https://fee.org/articles/trump-s-tar...4aAtToEALw_wcB

Wages increase just about every year. When you give corporations a massive decrease in their taxes, hopefully some of the money flows back to the workers. It did with the tax reform package, but not as much as was expected. And when you factor in inflation, real wages barely moved in 2018.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick.../#7f9ec86f7284

Yes, manufacturing jobs have been moving back to the U.S. but not due to the reasons you cited. Has nothing to do with uncertainties in China and Mexico, unless you have supporting links.

Top Five Reasons Why Manufacturing is Coming Back to the U.S.

https://www.qualitymag.com/articles/...back-to-the-us

The economy is doing fine under Trump. That is the least of his problems in getting re-elected. I look at 4 primary issues that his re-election depends on, a 4-legged stool..

1. The economy. Few complaints here although the economy was doing great in November 2018 when Democrats won big time.

2. Health care. Total failure for Trump and the Republicans.

3. Immigration. Trump can't get funding for his wall via Congress so he is going through the back door, possibly unconstitutionally, in order to get his funding. Has no solution to stopping the caravans.

4. His character. In 2016 many people voted against Clinton rather than for Trump. And many people voted against Trump rather than for Clinton. In 2020 it is impossible for Democrats to nominate a less liked person than Clinton. And we still have Trump who has the lowest overall approval rating of any POTUS since approval ratings came into being. I said it a long time ago -- his tweets and comments will cost him thousands and thousands of votes and possibly the 2020 election.

So starting with the 4-legged stool, Trump is down to at most 2 legs. And if he doesn't do something positive on immigration, that becomes a 1-legged stool. Good luck.

Wow.
They polled DOZENS!!
That settles it.
Put it in stone.
Hell. I can poll dozens who believe the Flintstones were real people.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

If you can find more than one economist who believes tariffs are good I would be surprised.

https://www.aei.org/publication/trum...kaAnEUEALw_wcB

"At the time, the University of Chicago polled dozens of America’s top economists on the subject, asking if they believed the tariffs would make Americans better off. Not a single one agreed they would.

The economists estimate that Americans were left about $7 billion poorer because of the economic consequences of the tariffs, and they also paid $12 billion more in taxes to the government. Ironically enough, the Trump administration is issuing up to $12 billion in payments to farmers who have been hurt by the trade war."

https://fee.org/articles/trump-s-tar...4aAtToEALw_wcB

Wages increase just about every year. When you give corporations a massive decrease in their taxes, hopefully some of the money flows back to the workers. It did with the tax reform package, but not as much as was expected. And when you factor in inflation, real wages barely moved in 2018.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick.../#7f9ec86f7284

Yes, manufacturing jobs have been moving back to the U.S. but not due to the reasons you cited. Has nothing to do with uncertainties in China and Mexico, unless you have supporting links.

Top Five Reasons Why Manufacturing is Coming Back to the U.S.

https://www.qualitymag.com/articles/...back-to-the-us

The economy is doing fine under Trump. That is the least of his problems in getting re-elected. I look at 4 primary issues that his re-election depends on, a 4-legged stool..

1. The economy. Few complaints here although the economy was doing great in November 2018 when Democrats won big time.

2. Health care. Total failure for Trump and the Republicans.

3. Immigration. Trump can't get funding for his wall via Congress so he is going through the back door, possibly unconstitutionally, in order to get his funding. Has no solution to stopping the caravans.

4. His character. In 2016 many people voted against Clinton rather than for Trump. And many people voted against Trump rather than for Clinton. In 2020 it is impossible for Democrats to nominate a less liked person than Clinton. And we still have Trump who has the lowest overall approval rating of any POTUS since approval ratings came into being. I said it a long time ago -- his tweets and comments will cost him thousands and thousands of votes and possibly the 2020 election.

So starting with the 4-legged stool, Trump is down to at most 2 legs. And if he doesn't do something positive on immigration, that becomes a 1-legged stool. Good luck.

1.OF COURSE MOST ECONOMISTS HATE TARIFFS! HOW DO YOU THINK WE GOT HERE? Duh, most economists are "neo-liberal" economists who believe in open borders, un-regulated flows of capital and products, and so forth. But they've been proven WRONG. They never accounted for the predatory trade practices still allowed under the WTO or other regimes. While some nations like us follow the rules our partners still practice neo-mercanatilist policies which result in massive imbalances. All this has led to the greatest wealth disparities in centuries!

2.Under the Obama "recovery" wages were lower than when the recession started. But into the second year of Trump they shot up and are continuing to rise. They are now the highest on record in absolute terms, but adjusted for inflation still lower than the 1970s. But this is a spectacular beginning.

3.No cooperation from Congress on that stupid wall is the best thing that can happen to him. It's the perfect excuse for not going ahead with that idiot thing, and his supporters blame the Democrats entirely.

4.As for character I didn't know he got caught poking any interns. What character issues are you talking about? Oh I forgot, he sold out America when he became a Russian agent and conspired with Vladimir Putin to rig the 2016 election. Hey, NEWS FLASH -- all that backfired on the Democrats. All their conspiracy theorizing gave him the biggest break any incumbent ever had, and now he looks like Jesus Christ! No one believes ANYTHING his detractors say about him anymore!

[Austin Ellen]

Although Biden is leading in the polls I just don't see it happening. I may be wrong but ..this guy is a loser. He's had his time and it's not now.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by knotty man

Wow.
They polled DOZENS!!
That settles it.
Put it in stone.
Hell. I can poll dozens who believe the Flintstones were real people.

I challenge you to find any reputable economist in this country who believes the imposition of tariffs was the correct move to make.