Real World Info

[pmdelites]

Originally Posted by FAHQ2

Years ago when I was more of a newbie I gave my personal information to someone who I thought was a reputable provider. Long story short; we met and I wrote a “no” review on her. She took the information I gave her and posted it on several sites. My name, phone number and email address all showed up on a google search.
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By the way, the wretched bitch that “outted” me is still an active provider here so be careful. Just my .02...

who is she so we can avoid a provider who will out guys who give her a “No” recommendation???

or flock to her cos they wanna get outed?

[BLM69]

Originally Posted by pmdelites

who is she so we can avoid a provider who will out guys who give her a “No” recommendation???

or flock to her cos they wanna get outed?

X2 and these are the possibilities when guys give out your personal information to strangers, she might be reputable today, and might be BSC tomorrow. Things change as life does.

[CPutnam]

Originally Posted by B Three

As long as you aren't Elliot Spitzer dealing with The Mahattan Madam (Kristin Davis) - this is the least of your risks...

WRONG! When they notify, your family, friends, job, and LE is involved in your life, you won't be saying that...happens more often than you girls will ever let on...

[CPutnam]

Originally Posted by BLM69

Don't forget to cover you dash vin# also

Take a ride share under a gift card a payment , n throw away account...best bet...random pick up n drop off like a mall works best...

[Guest083119]

Originally Posted by CPutnam

WRONG! When they notify, your family, friends, job, and LE is involved in your life, you won't be saying that...happens more often than you girls will ever let on...

Notify friends? Notify family? Are you saying that about people getting arrested and being on the news? That has NOTHING to do with giving anyone personal info.

Cops don't call your wife or friends, or job. That is ridiculous to even claim. Cases of cops caring about anything past making an arrest and going after client records are incredibly rare. I read 1000s of arrest and court records. Tens of thousands...if you could find ten cases in the past ten years in Texas that have nothing to do with a federal charge like money laundering or racketeering. Yes, I know that with the the increased interest in sex trafficking the possibility of fed involvement is rising. but again, that has nothing to do with giving info.

The only valid point in this thread, IMHO, is the guy who got burned by a provider who got mad at him and posted his info. THAT is a valid concern, but I still with the stats that cops do not routinely get search warrants for the phones of people involved in routine prostitution arrest. And court orders for anything but major investigations are even more rare.

There is no nexus between giving someone limited personal info and getting arrested.

['TUNACAN']

Real name.. Deal with established ladies and no problems. It's just me & my sister now, she doesn't care, everybody else is dead, avoid social media sites, no one to go taddle tale to...

Hobby phone or Goggle Voice. You can change the Google number at any time and as many times as you like. Providers do it regularly. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

e-mail ? protonmail, hotmail, etc.. No big deal...

Employer information ? No problem, they don't answer the phone...

[LustyBustyGina38FF]

Redbook has been gone for over 4years

Originally Posted by cowboyesfan

It happened as part of the MyRedBook take down 18 months ago.

No need for a plea deal. Your email and phone records are easily obtainable.

[LargeBreastFan]

After I tell them about my 1.5 inch dangling dick of death, they don't ask for anymore information.

[Nicole Cox]

Originally Posted by Foggymountain1

I understand and agree with screening from both parties prior to a private excursion, but how do you handle a provider (known or not) that asks for your real name, phone number and email for their screening purposes?

Ladies, how do you handle a client that does not "hobby" very frequently?

I keep it very simple.. either verifiable references from verified providers "verified" being the keyword.

Or I'll need that selfie holding your driver's license up.

It's not for everybody and I can respect that.
I put my time in I earned my stripes so for the gentleman that want to compare me providing my personal information to them providing there's is silly . It's apples and oranges.

Everyday guys contact me thinking that then being charismatic or good-looking will get them by. And I usually have to remind them that Jeffrey Dahmer was known to be charismatic. 🤔

I'm aware that there's other ways to screen. Some providers do employment verification some go hunt down references even though they're not verified I don't have time for that I have a life outside of work. And with today's technology even when I get that selfie holding a driver's license I still go back and have to check it out.

The way I see it is you'll have to trust me with your information and I'll have to trust you with my life and physical safety. There's enough clients and providers out there to choose from that if the screening isn't within your comfort level both parties are free to move along. There should never be any back and forth trying to get the other side to compromise on their comfort level for screening.

[Crock]

Originally Posted by B Three

The only valid point in this thread, IMHO, is the guy who got burned by a provider who got mad at him and posted his info. THAT is a valid concern, but I still with the stats that cops do not routinely get search warrants for the phones of people involved in routine prostitution arrest. And court orders for anything but major investigations are even more rare.

There is no nexus between giving someone limited personal info and getting arrested.

No, the other valid point is that, unless the provider is doing much more with the info, there's nothing to be gained by having real world information. It's nothing but an insurance policy for the lady to use to out the guy if things don't go as planned.

You act as if cops can't access all the information on the phone of a provider they have arrested.

And police don't need search warrants to use information from a phone in most places. Pen registers and tap and trace information are lesser orders that are invaluable to vice cops, but require no warrant. And their use results in arrests all the time.

The only way to mitigate this risk is to do BOTH of these things all the time:

1. Never give out real world information.

2. Never discuss illegal activities (like sex and money) on a device that can be linked to you.

[Crock]

Originally Posted by Nicole Cox

The way I see it is you'll have to trust me with your information and I'll have to trust you with my life and physical safety.

Both parties are already trusting each other with their safety and well being. This is a misogynistic argument and I would encourage ladies to stop making it.

There's enough clients and providers out there to choose from that if the screening isn't within your comfort level both parties are free to move along.

100% agree. Both parties must consent. Consent is everything.

There should never be any back and forth trying to get the other side to compromise on their comfort level for screening.

100% disagree.

First off, everything is negotiable. That's life.

Secondly, pointing out better ways to screen is something that everybody benefits from. It would be like me saying that no guy should ever compromise his safety by giving out real world info. That's just not my place to say. And it's not your place to tell anyone that they can't discuss alternate methods of screening.

[Guest083119]

Originally Posted by Crock

You act as if cops can't access all the information on the phone of a provider they have arrested.

And police don't need search warrants to use information from a phone in most places. Pen registers and tap and trace information are lesser orders that are invaluable to vice cops, but require no warrant. And their use results in arrests all the time.

It is a ridiculously small percentage of anything prostitution related. The larger the operation, the bigger the percentage. But it is statistically insignificant for a random guy seeing a random escort under normal circumstances.

Pen registers and trap and trace devices are not usual tools for prostitution cases - because these cases rarely have much investigation involved.

Originally Posted by Crock

The only way to mitigate this risk is to do BOTH of these things all the time:

1. Never give out real world information.

2. Never discuss illegal activities (like sex and money) on a device that can be linked to you.

Number 2 is something I will agree on with you 1000%. THAT is the key.

I'm not saying that some sketchy hooker might not use the info for nefarious purposes. Like I said, that is the issue. But sending your name and phone number to an established escort IF YOU DON'T DISCUSS ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES has little to do with anyone getting arrested.

These are two separate issues.

I will agree with Nicole on everything she said. Luckily, there are a majority of guys who simply offer the information, either unsolicited or on request.

[Crock]

We'll have to disagree on the numbers and types of investigations that are currently being conducted. The world has changed in the last few years and electronic surveillance is now normal. All it takes is one tidbit of real world info that will allow police to connect your hobby world to your real world, and then your world will be turned upside down.

B Three, can you share with us the reason a lady might want real world information, if not to use to out the guy if things don't go as planned?

I totally understand that there are extreme situations where outing the guy is appropriate (assaultive assholes, for example), but, like a trafficking investigation, that's relatively rare. What are the other ways that real world information makes the hobby safer for the ladies? I don't believe there are any, but if you explained it to me, perhaps I (and others) would soften my no-real-world-info stance.

[Guest083119]

Of course technology exists. I'm saying that this isn't some bizarre Law and Order SVU episode. LOL. In real life, cops rarely even run prints or deal with DNA except in serious felony cases. Hell, it takes at least six months for BAC results to come back in a DWI case.

Why would I want real world info? First let me say, that if a guy comes to see me, he is likely going to know as much personal info about me at the end of the date as I know about him. But that is me.

I want to make sure he isn't a cop or a creep. If he wants to meet me in public - then I don't need much info (because this serves as accountability - he might be able to kill me, but he won't get away with it).

If he wants to come to my private home, then I need to know who he is and I do need to have a brief electronic record of him in case he is a serial killer or really bad dude (see above). That's the ONLY way cops are going to get anyone's info from me.

Guys who are willing to give up a little personal information are safer by design. They know that there is some accountability and that if they are legit and choose wisely, the chances of something going awry is tiny.

So in a nutshell, it is less about the actual information provided by a guy and more about the guy's willingness to provide the information.

When a guy is so adamant about giving up NOTHING and goes to such extreme lengths, then I immediately think he is usually seeing REALLY sketchy girls and has been burned before. That makes me wonder why the hell he wants to see me and that we are likely not a good match.

That said, I have guy friends who I have helped maintain PRIVACY and SECRECY (not anonymity as much) so they don't get into trouble at home.

The threats related to not having a hobby phone and email are different than LE ones. They are more related to hookers being crazy and texting guys or running their mouths.

This whole thread is about two very different issues that are getting conflated. One is a hooker misusing your private info. The other is the nexus between giving up your info to a hooker and the nexus with getting arrested because of it. The second is largely obliterated by the sound practice of not discussing pay for play. The first is mitigated by making informed decisions about who you pend time with in the hobby.

[BLM69]

How about all the women here post up your RW information so we can research who guys/customers/clients are engaging with? Isn't this the way things are done with everything else?

Truth of the matter is you ladies want the non-experienced client who doesn't know any better and ignores all logic. It sucks to be a newbie these days