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Old 02-23-2019, 01:05 PM   #1
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Default Washington state: at least 20 county sheriffs refuse to enforce new gun laws

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wa...fPg?li=BBnbfcL
At least 20 county sheriffs in Washington state – more than half of the state’s total – are now publicly refusing to police new gun laws. Several county governments have also passed local resolutions officially opposing enforcement of the laws.
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The moves may pose a significant threat to Washington’s ambitious agenda on firearms reform, and some activists say it is beginning to resemble a full-scale “constitutionalist” revolt against gun control.
A growing number of sheriffs, almost all in rural counties, have publicly stated that they will not, or believe they cannot, enforce the provisions of I1639, a ballot measure passed by popular vote last November which aims to restrict access to and use of assault weapons.
Their positions – outlined in written statements, local media reports, and Facebook posts – occupy varying points on a spectrum of resistance.
A few, like Klickitat county sheriff Bob Songer, say that they would not only not enforce the laws, but would consider preventing other agencies from doing so in their counties.
Others, like Sheriff Brad Thurman in Cowlitz county, have cited an ongoing legal challenge from the National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment foundation as evidence that the laws may not be constitutional, and are proposing to hold off enforcement until that case is resolved.
Another group, including Spokane county sheriff Ozzie Knezovich, have argued that the law as it stands is so vague that there is “nothing to enforce”.
But all of these positions add up to a refusal to enforce I1639 in the form in which it was passed by Washington voters.
Only four county sheriffs so far have publicly committed to enforcing the laws.
Meanwhile, several rural county governments – including Cowlitz, Franklin and Stevens Counties – have now passed resolutions opposing enforcement of I1639. Gray’s Harbor county is considering a similar resolution.
County commissioners passing resolutions in opposition to the laws have electoral incentives for doing so in parts of the state where gun reform is not popular with voters, but they have also been subject to intense lobbying efforts by rightwing second amendment activists.
Joey Gibson, the leader of the Portland-area Patriot Prayer group, which has been involved in several violent protests in the city, and Matt Marshall, president of the rightwing Washington Three Percenters group, have addressed several county meetings urging commissioners and voters to adopt so-called “Second Amendment Sanctuary” ordinances.
In a video of a speech in Island county, Gibson urged locals “to bring the power back to a local level” by refusing laws which he described as unconstitutional.
Gibson did not respond to questions seeking to clarify his views on the constitution.
So-called “County Supremacy” and related ideas originated in far right and white supremacist movements like the Posse Comitatus, who asserted that county sheriffs were the highest constitutional authority.
Researcher Spencer Sunshine wrote in a report for Political Research Associates, that ideas of county supremacy in the Pacific Northwest have been “mainstreamed into local and state governments, aided by a lurch to the right inside the Republican Party”.
Groups like the Washington State Firearms Coalition have been promoting the idea of “nullification” – that lower levels of government can void unconstitutional laws passed at higher levels – even though such doctrines have been repeatedly rejected by the supreme court.
Resistance to the law also reflects a deep divide between rural and urban Washingtonians.
I1639 was passed overwhelmingly by urban voters west of the Cascades, in areas like Seattle and its suburbs, but was rejected in smaller rural counties, especially in the state’s east and south.
Ahead of the vote last year, the Washington State Sheriffs Association voiced public opposition to law along with the Washington State Patrol Troopers Association, the Washington Fraternal Order of Police, and the Washington Council of Police & Sheriffs.
The battle over guns is now intertwined with other rightwing political projects in Washington. On Friday, outside the state Capitol in Olympia, a joint rally will take place advocating both second amendment rights, and the breaking off of Eastern Washington into a separate state.
The rally will be addressed by Spokane Valley-based representative, Matt Shea. Recently, Shea made a video in which he boasted of carrying a concealed firearm into Washington’s state house.
Washington State attorney general Bob Ferguson has admonished law enforcement officers in an open letter.
Ferguson said he was “deeply concerned that the failure of local law enforcement to perform Initiative 1639’s background check requirement will jeopardize public safety in our state”.
He pointed to his own defense of Washington’s death penalty, despite personal disagreement with the law, and wrote, “as public officers, our duty is to abide by the will of the people we serve, and implement and enforce the laws they adopt”.


The divide between the DPST West and East coast intersted in imposing Socialism is coming to a head. Middle America will not be subjugated by Coastal leftists. I fear it portends voilence - Middle America will not bend a knee to Socialist nut cases.
I am not an NRA supporter - agree with Charlton Heston - RIP!
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I think gun laws like abortion , should be left up to the individual
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Old 02-23-2019, 01:25 PM   #3
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I think gun laws like abortion , should be left up to the individual
But sadly for you, abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution so often does really become a 10th Amendment states rights issue.

While the 2nd Amendment does address guns.

Apples to Oranges discussion.
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Old 02-23-2019, 01:31 PM   #4
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These 20 Sheriffs are true patriots!

For the second protects all the others !
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Old 02-23-2019, 01:33 PM   #5
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But sadly for you, abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution so often does really become a 10th Amendment states rights issue.

While the 2nd Amendment does address guns.

Apples to Oranges discussion.
Sadly for you, you are governed by a belief system set up by others. I am governed by my own beliefs.

For example, were I a woman and knew you were wtf I was gonna give birth to and abortion was not legal....I'd shove a coat hanger so far up my hoohoo that you'd think you were a coat rack instead of an asshole.
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Old 02-23-2019, 01:42 PM   #6
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east Washington is pretty red and the chism between the west Washington and the E Washington has been growing in recent years. so the resentment is real. there is a movement to split Washington in half between east & west.
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Old 02-23-2019, 01:51 PM   #7
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Sadly for you, you are governed by a belief system set up by others. I am governed by my own beliefs.

For example, were I a woman and knew you were wtf I was gonna give birth to and abortion was not legal....I'd shove a coat hanger so far up my hoohoo that you'd think you were a coat rack instead of an asshole.
And as usual, as I said you are giving this abortion rhetoric the Oranges side of an Apple debate. Great distraction, but hardly relevant to the Constitutionality of the discussion in the OP. But carry on. You can't rationally defend the bans, so I understand the need to distract.

The gun laws will be governed and decided based on the 2nd amendment. I think the Sheriffs have a good case.
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Old 02-23-2019, 09:54 PM   #8
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What a bunch of Un Americans. They are like that hillbilly hypocrite in Kentucky that wouldn't marry gays because she thought it was wrong. Either uphold the law or don't but don't cry about it when someone breaks it. Those sheriffs need to be fired
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:00 AM   #9
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Agreed. Sheriffs are sworn to enforce the law.

They should sue or lobby to change the laws.

Meanwhile they should do their fucking jobs.
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:36 AM   #10
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Agreed. Sheriffs are sworn to enforce the law.

They should sue or lobby to change the laws.

Meanwhile they should do their fucking jobs.

Does that include enforcing immigration laws?
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:58 AM   #11
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What a bunch of Un Americans. They are like that hillbilly hypocrite in Kentucky that wouldn't marry gays because she thought it was wrong. Either uphold the law or don't but don't cry about it when someone breaks it. Those sheriffs need to be fired
Anything like sanctuary cities...
Only difference...legal(2nd Amendment)
ILLEGAL ALIENS...in violation of federal law!!
I know this it too hard for you to understand...

TM/YR quite the hypocrites!!
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And as usual, as I said you are giving this abortion rhetoric the Oranges side of an Apple debate. Great distraction, but hardly relevant to the Constitutionality of the discussion in the OP. But carry on. You can't rationally defend the bans, so I understand the need to distract.

The gun laws will be governed and decided based on the 2nd amendment. I think the Sheriffs have a good case.
He only knows how to trash people and not argue convincingly on the substance of the topic...very common with those on the left.
It's a juvenile defense mechanism.
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Agreed. Sheriffs are sworn to enforce the law.

They should sue or lobby to change the laws.

Meanwhile they should do their fucking jobs.
Grays Harbor County, Sheriff Rick Scott said it best.

“As your sheriff, I have sworn to uphold the United States Constitution, and the Washington State Constitution. Therefore, until the legality of I-1639 s resolved, I have instructed my deputies to take no enforcement action as it pertains to I-1639. Deputies will document such matters. However, they will take no enforcement action. Nor will we pro-actively initiate investigations relative to I-1639.”
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Old 02-24-2019, 08:40 AM   #14
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What a bunch of Un Americans.
The Washington loons came from California in the 80's for the most part .... they fucked up California with their LIBERAL bullshit ... fucked up Oregon ... on the way to Washington ... and then started fucking up that state.

Just like the carpetbaggers coming down to Texas are trying to do.
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Sadly for you, you are governed by a belief system set up by others. I am governed by my own beliefs.

For example, were I a woman and knew you were wtf I was gonna give birth to and abortion was not legal....I'd shove a coat hanger so far up my hoohoo that you'd think you were a coat rack instead of an asshole.
Damn shame your mother didn’t have a coat hanger ready. For example!!!!
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