school shootings down since the 90's

[nevergaveitathought]

https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/0...searcher-says/

yea! president trump

give thanks tomorrow and be sure to include president trump in your list

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/0...searcher-says/

yea! president trump

give thanks tomorrow and be sure to include president trump in your list

Don't forget to get all those folks in Santa Fe to thank him!

[grean]

Originally Posted by WTF

Don't forget to get all those folks in Santa Fe to thank him!

Not a single regulation in place already or one that is being suggested would have stopped Sante Fe. A revolver and pump shotgun were used.

Banning all guns even will not stop school shootings.

The 24 news cycle jumps on any possible shooting and loves to use words like "MASS SHOOTING " or "ACTIVE SHOOTER".

It makes it seem like they happen much more than they really are. The 300 and something shootingd # in 300 in something days claim was debunked by NPR. NPR upon investigating discovered many did not happen or they could not corroborate the stories.

More guns actually do save lives and stop shootings.

There have been a number of shootings where a CHL holder stopped anything from happening, or stopped the threat right after the first shots were fired, with no one, including the shooter dying.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by grean

Not a single regulation in place already or one that is being suggested would have stopped Sante Fe. A revolver and pump shotgun were used.

Banning all guns even will not stop school shootings.

The 24 news cycle jumps on any possible shooting and loves to use words like "MASS SHOOTING " or "ACTIVE SHOOTER".

It makes it seem like they happen much more than they really are. The 300 and something shootingd # in 300 in something days claim was debunked by NPR. NPR upon investigating discovered many did not happen or they could not corroborate the stories.

More guns actually do save lives and stop shootings.

There have been a number of shootings where a CHL holder stopped anything from happening, or stopped the threat right after the first shots were fired, with no one, including the shooter dying.

Guns don't kill people , nutty people with guns do.

So why is it so hard to prevent nutty people from obtaining guns? One might ask.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Don't forget to get all those folks in Santa Fe to thank him!

The meme is an outright lie.

When I was in high school, my buddies and I carried our rifles and shotguns in racks behind the seat of our pick-ups. It's against the law to carry a weapon on a school campus now days. A few years ago I read where a student was expelled from school for having a single bullet in his vehicle: no weapon. Guns are no less lethal then than they are today, but something in people has changed -- violent, first person video games and the perverse seeking the notoriety bestowed on them by the lame-stream media for being a copycat mass murderer.

Meanwhile, everyone can still wear shoes to get on a plane; so, the meme is a lie.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The meme is an outright lie.



Meanwhile, everyone can still wear shoes to get on a plane; so, the meme is a lie.

No it is not.

That is not wtf the meme said. Why are you lying about that? The meme said we all take our shoes off at the airport. You disagree with tjat fact?

[SeekingFun69]

Originally Posted by WTF

Guns don't kill people , nutty people with guns do.

So why is it so hard to prevent nutty people from obtaining guns? One might ask.

Because the ACLU is against having mental health records be part of a background check.

[Munchmasterman]

You need some proof for a statement like that.

It seems guns stop mass shootings because the shooter shoots himself.
And while I agree no regulation in place would stop them I say bullshit to the second part because there is no discussion about how to stop them.

The casulties are considered an acceptable cost of doing business by the gun lobby.
When was the last time the NRA came up with an idea that didn't involve arming more people?
I can't recall them EVER coming up with an idea that didn't involve more guns.

A little help here.

Does anyone know of a idea or solution by the NRA that doesn't involve more guns?

At this point, all I can do is thank God that trump hasn't applied his special "talents" to help fix the problem. There's nothing he can do to help and we don't need one of his freaks going after anyone else.

Originally Posted by grean

Not a single regulation in place already or one that is being suggested would have stopped Sante Fe. A revolver and pump shotgun were used.

Banning all guns even will not stop school shootings.

The 24 news cycle jumps on any possible shooting and loves to use words like "MASS SHOOTING " or "ACTIVE SHOOTER".

It makes it seem like they happen much more than they really are. The 300 and something shootingd # in 300 in something days claim was debunked by NPR. NPR upon investigating discovered many did not happen or they could not corroborate the stories.

More guns actually do save lives and stop shootings.

There have been a number of shootings where a CHL holder stopped anything from happening, or stopped the threat right after the first shots were fired, with no one, including the shooter dying.

[Munchmasterman]

Not to give or deny credit/blame to trump but did you notice the spike in victims?

So what's there to be thankful for or praise trump in this situation?


That there weren't more?

As which is often the case, your "logic" escapes me.

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/0...searcher-says/

yea! president trump

give thanks tomorrow and be sure to include president trump in your list

[SeekingFun69]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

You need some proof for a statement like that.

From Harvard University no less:
https://www.beliefnet.com/news/artic...usUyLFKPC5z.01

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

No it is not.

That is not wtf the meme said. Why are you lying about that?

It's a lie to claim I'm lying.

The topic is school shootings. There's an unequivocal law that says one cannot carry a weapon onto a school campus. It's forbidden. It's against the law. How much more fucking restrictive can one get?

Meanwhile, there's no law saying you can't wear your shoes onto a plane, because you can wear your shoes on a plane. Sometimes you have to submit to allowing someone examine your shoes, but you are still allowed to have your shoes -- but you can't carry a gun onto a plane ... or onto school grounds.

It's bullshit to argue there are no regulations. Once the act of carrying a gun onto school grounds was made illegal, every fucking new law in that regard is redundant.

[grean]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

You need some proof for a statement like that.


Does anyone know of a idea or solution by the NRA that doesn't involve more guns?

There are countless examples from local and national news sources online.

Consider this though.

There were teachers bodies found covering the bodies of students in some of the worst shootings. Had anyone of those teachers been trained and armed, they were courageous enough to die, they certainly could have stopped the shooter and perhaps saved not only the students they so bravely tried to protect but also their own life.
No, they should not have to carry, but life dictates we have to do things we don't like to do sometimes.

Most shootings last less than 6 minutes. Police may get there soon after, but not before someone has died.

You are right that shooters do often take their own lives. They also stop as soon as they are met with any resistance.

CHL carriers have lower conviction rates than police. That means that having a gun doesn't make them suddenly a threat where one previously did not exist. They are very unlikely to use the weapon ever.

On the other hand an armed faculty is a huge deterrent to would be shooters. Shooters don't want a fight.


As to alternate solutions without guns.


Right after the Florida shooting, people suggested clear backpacks, controlled entrances and exits and metal detectors. Mr. Hogg, from Florida, didn't like that because it made the school feel like "prison".

Clear backpacks have been used ato inner city schools with metal detectors for years.

Controlled entry and exits doesn't mean that anyone is locked inside. It means alarms on exit only emergency only doors and normal entry/exit is only through security check points like airports and government buildings.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by SeekingFun69

From Harvard University no less:
https://www.beliefnet.com/news/artic...usUyLFKPC5z.01

looks like that Harvard study was suppressed because it didn't follow gun control assumptions.

from the last page.
Little-Known Gun Fact 1
Over the past 20 years, gun sales have absolutely exploded, but homicides with firearms are down 39 percent during that time and “other crimes with firearms” are down 69 percent. 2 Almost every mass shooting that has occurred in the United States since 1950 has taken place in a state with strict gun control laws. With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. 3 The United States is Number 1 in the world in gun ownership, and yet it is only 28th in the world in gun murders per 100,000 people. 4 The violent crime rate in the United States actually fell from 757.7 per 100,000 in 1992 to 386.3 per 100,000 in 2011. During that same time period, the murder rate fell from 9.3 per 100,000 to 4.7 per 100,000. 5 Overall, guns in the United States are used 80 times more often to prevent crime than they are to take lives.

Little-Known Gun Fact 6
Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. 7 In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. 8In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK? 9The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does. 10 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does. UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU. 11 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

Little-Known Gun Fact 12
Down in Australia, gun murders increased by about 19 percent and armed robberies increased by about 69 percent after a gun ban was instituted. 13 The city of Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the United States. So has this reduced crime? The murder rate in Chicago was about 17 percent higher in 2012 than it was in 2011, and Chicago is now considered to be “the deadliest global city,” 14 After the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring every home to have a gun, the crime rate dropped by more than 50 percent over the course of the next 23 years and there was an 89 percent decline in burglaries.

Little-Known Gun Fact 15
According to Gun Owners of America, the governments of the world slaughtered more than 170 million of their own people during the 20th century. The vast majority of those people had been disarmed by their own governments. Why? It wasn’t to stop crime.

[grean]

Originally Posted by SeekingFun69

From Harvard University no less:
https://www.beliefnet.com/news/artic...usUyLFKPC5z.01

Says the study was published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy.

Does anyone have a link to actually study, please?

[dilbert firestorm]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harvard-flaw-review/


the report is not peer-reviewed, its not a study according to snopes. interesting.... I actually was not looking for snopes, but it was the first item on the search list. go figure. the link to the study was provided by snopes.



http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf