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Old 11-13-2018, 08:53 AM   #76
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with regard to Obama. he attended overseas dday ceremonies only 2 times and never attended any veterans memorial ceremonies during his tenure. He was not criticized for not going to these ceremonies.
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:59 AM   #77
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with regard to Obama. he attended overseas dday ceremonies only 2 times and never attended any veterans memorial ceremonies during his tenure. He was not criticized for not going to these ceremonies.
Trump scheduled and then canceled due to rain. Cmon.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:27 AM   #78
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Trump scheduled and then canceled due to rain. Cmon.
Trump doesn't have control over that decision.
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:27 AM   #79
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Trump scheduled and then canceled due to rain. Cmon.
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Trump doesn't have control over that decision.
Really?

You think Trump has no control over that type of decision?

What about his decision to go to his Golf Club yesterday on V-Day? Did he have any control over that? Did the SS tell him he could not go to Arlington Cemetery too? Anyone see Donald in the background?

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Old 11-13-2018, 11:30 AM   #80
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Was the SS involved in Trump's decision not to go to Arlington Cemetery on Veterans Day?

https://www.salon.com/2018/11/12/as-...ters_partners/

Evidently the buck stops with the SS ....according to LL and dilbert.


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It offends me to us the term "SS" to describe the secret service that protects the President of the United States. Given your previous fascist posts, it is certain that you are trying to associate the POTUS with the Waffen SS. That you will claim ignorance of this reference is predetermined, and illustrative of you character and predisposition.

It is also aligned with the intent of the original post.
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:40 AM   #81
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It offends me to us the term "SS" to describe the secret service that protects the President of the United States. Given your previous fascist posts, it is certain that you are trying to associate the POTUS with the Waffen SS. That you will claim ignorance of this reference is predetermined, and illustrative of you character and predisposition.

It is also aligned with the intent of the original post.
One would think a proud Nationalist would be honored with that association....though that was not my intent.

Many are trying to blame the Secret Service for Trumps absence because of a little rain, not the Waffen SS but if you want to try and pin it on them it is as crazy as trying to pin it on our SS.

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Old 11-13-2018, 11:42 AM   #82
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Trump doesn't have control over that decision.
Are you saying Trumps SS made the decision for him? Did they have good traffic in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago? He wasn't invited there but he went anyway, despite the traffic. Im confused. Who is in charge, Trump or the SS?
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:45 AM   #83
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Are you saying Trumps SS made the decision for him? Did they have good traffic in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago? He wasn't invited there but he went anyway, despite the traffic. Im confused. Who is in charge, Trump or the SS?
Evidently the SS according to our Trump lovers. Look how much danger they put Trump in!

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Old 11-13-2018, 09:34 PM   #84
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wow lots of mudslinging.... over nothing.

apparently secret service was involved in the decision on whether trump should go or not. It wasn't the weather, but a security issue about a possible assassination attempt.
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How about SOMETHING to support that.

it was attempt on President Macron.



https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/...ng-a-meltdown/


The arrest this week of an alleged far-right terror cell, said to be in the early stages of plotting an attack on the President, is disturbing evidence of the fury some in France now feel at the state of their country
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:03 PM   #85
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Im confused.
I'm sorry. Hope you get that cleared up.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:06 PM   #86
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Indeed! It is reported that Belleau Wood was some 60 miles outside Paris. That's a three plus hour drive round trip.

Please point out where it said the Secret Service had pre-checked, cleared and secured a route of travel by alternate method.
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Damn....how did everyone else get there?

The facts are a effective antidote to the fake news crowd.

Nobody has disputed the fact that his helicopter was grounded.

Are you disputing the fact that everyone else made it there?

Trump could have went had he wanted to put up with the inconvenience
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The POTUS travel is incomparable to any other head of state, except for China and Russia. The concept of the president driving 2 hours through the countyside of france, where the hatred of our current president seethes, is utterly preposterous. The number of Leftist who would sacrifice themself in a heartbeat if they knew it would yield the dissolution of our current president is essentially unlimited. The hatred generated by the mainstream fascist, bigoted racebaiting thugs who proffer the sorts of arguments you put out is now widespread, worldwide, and universal, and utterly unearned.
secret service involvement on that decision was done out of abundance of caution, as I note in previous post that there was of a planned assassination attempt on Macron by alleged right-wing terrorists.

there's the matter of the security logistics involved in a 3 hour round trip drive for a presidential caravan. so we are talking about at least 5 hours of closing the road to the cemetery.

can you imagine what that traffic jam would look like????

who do you think is going to be inconvenienced by this trip.???

The French People or Trump????

oh btw, Obama was never criticized for not going to a military ceremony.

nice. Obama gets a pass, and Trump doesn't. doesn't matter if it was raining or not.
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there's the matter of the security logistics involved in a 3 hour round trip drive for a presidential caravan. so we are talking about at least 5 hours of closing the road to the cemetery.
There're a couple of things missing in the posts to which you respond, besides knowledge. When the Service is tasked with planning a foreign motorcade trip it begins weeks, if not months prior to the scheduled event with the route THOROUGHLY examined, scoured, and "VETTED" and coordination and planning with their "counterparts" in the country in which the trip is made.

The second, and in this instance equally important, there is AIR COVER! Even General Patton knew the importance of AIR COVER in Europe.

A third element with respect to "planning" is the ground transportation vehicles for the POTUS as well as staff and assigned media who are in the motorcade, which are transported by air carriers to the area and prepared for the trip AFTER the ROUTE IS ESTABLISHED AND SECURED with U.S. air cover in place to assure the air space and ground space along the route are clear.

A few things were LEARNED by the Service when Kennedy was assassinated and that was in Dallas, Texas.



Of course, one would have to have been conscious during that day and subsequently to appreciate the aftermath and "lessons learned" at the expense of a much loved Man. Also, part of the conscious awareness would include a working knowledge of the pre-Trip preparation even back then.

With all the alleged hate and resentment generated by the Liberals/Anti-Never Trumpers against Trump over the past 2-3 years with posed beheadings, burnings, lynchings, and professed desires to bomb the White House it is ridiculous for anyone to whine and criticize the Service (or anyone) for not engaging in risky business that puts the lives of innocent people at risk of death or worse.

The criticism of Trump in this case is purely spurious hype.

The disgusting part about the media ridicule of Trump (from which many nonmedia pundits get their ammo!) in this decision IS there are media reps assigned to these trips, who are directly and personally familiar with the pre-trip preparations, screenings, and vetting by security forces in order to assure THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE CARAVAN ARE SAFE, which includes their own personnel.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...fallout-report

Trump cancels trip, blames aides for not explaining how bad he will look!
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The disgusting part about the media ridicule of Trump (from which many nonmedia pundits get their ammo!) in this decision IS there are media reps assigned to these trips, who are directly and personally familiar with the pre-trip preparations, screenings, and vetting by security forces in order to assure THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE CARAVAN ARE SAFE, which includes their own personnel.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...fallout-report

Trump cancels trip, blames aides for not explaining how bad he will look!
Case in point!
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Case in point!
Trump canceled the trip and then got mad because of how bad it made him look!

And then he does not drive 5 minutes to lay flowers at the unknown soldiers tomb!

Who will he blame that on? Muller!
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