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Old 10-27-2017, 03:22 PM   #331
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Saying the NFL has not taken a hit isn't true. One just has to read comments that people post under articles etc... Half the Country is more than disappointed with this protest. I guess we will see if season ticket renewals will go up or down after the season. If season ticket holders bought tickets but not show up, consessions takes a big hit. 25,000 people not showing up averaging 2 9.00 beers each is $450,000.00 alone.
Can you give ANY proof at all to support your OPINION that the NFL has taken a hit? It is true that season ticket holders count as attending a game but almost every game I've tuned into on the TV has little to no empty seats. I have not seen any stadium that usually supports an NFL team (not all teams have EVER had strong fan support) drop 25,000 in attendance from before Trump's statements to after.

Yes, a certain number of people are disappointed by the protests. In a recent poll, 68% of respondents say Trump was WRONG to call for the firing of protesting NFL players. 51% said sports leagues should not mandate that players stand during the National Anthem. 76% of blacks agreed. 54% of whites disagreed which supports my opinion that whites are not in tune with the feelings of blacks.

In polls taken BEFORE Trump's statements, more people were against the protesters than for them. The reverse now seems to be true now that people are more understanding of WHY the players are protesting. So since Trump made his comments, MORE NFL players are participating in protests and MORE people are supporting them. Again, if you have any FACTS to support an opposing POV, please post them.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...-anthem-244159
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:25 PM   #332
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Thank you for doing the math. That's exactly the point I was trying to make.
Unfortunately the math depends on a fantasy world that does not exist. No game has been down 25,000 attendees. In fact, there is NO proof that attendance has been impacted at all. Again, I challenge you, Derek, or any one else to present FACTS to the contrary.
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:31 PM   #333
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Yeah you've mentioned the uranium deal, he's posted about it too but he wants others to "stay on topic". Just odd that he didn't say anything to you.
Since when do threads stay on topic very long? Usually about 6-7 posts into a thread, they do a 180.
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:53 PM   #334
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They can't post facts, all they will say is but, but, but Hillary and Obama, the tooth fairy came down with the easter bunny and trump made it happen.
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Old 10-27-2017, 04:22 PM   #335
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You got the wrong one, Missy. It was Clinton and her campaign. Just follow the uranium trail.........
Uranium One was never owned by the US to begin with. The company at the time the deal was on the table was a merged Canadian company (UrAsia) with a South African/Australian company (Uranium One). Uranium also cannot be exported so they own the mine and that's about it.
They're claiming they hid the case for the Russian official who got in trouble for taking bribes with shipping contracts, but...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...0TY2V420151215
A federal judge on Tuesday sentenced a former nuclear official of Russia’s state-run enterprise Rosatom to 48 months in prison for his role in a scheme that awarded contracts to American companies in exchange for millions of dollars in bribes.
As president of Tenam, a U.S.-based Rosatom subsidiary, Mikerin oversaw the shipment of uranium from Russia for use in American power plants. Much of that material was drawn from decommissioned Russian weapons under an agreement with Washington known as the “Megatons to Megawatts” program, which converted the uranium from thousands of nuclear warheads for civilian use in U.S. nuclear power plants.
Mikerin’s arrest followed a seven year investigation that began initially as a U.S. intelligence probe into Russian nuclear officials, according to court records and people familiar with the matter.
Before arresting Mikerin last year, federal agents had sought to get him to work undercover in its investigation into senior Russian energy officials, according to court records.
In an effort to obtain his cooperation, U.S. federal agents brought him to a “war room” they had set up in an office adjacent to his in Chevy Chase, Maryland.
Plastered on the wall were pictures of Mikerin and diagrams of his possible relationship to shell companies and other Russian energy officials, including President Vladimir Putin, according to court records. After Mikerin refused to cooperate, he was arrested.
Claims that $145 million were a conflict of interest "from the Russians" is false. Majority of what they're citing came from a founding member of UrAsia (Canadian) who sold all his stock holdings when the company merged with Uranium One in 2007. The rest of that money that could even be connected to Uranium One came from another founding member of UrAsia (also Canadian) who did stay on after the merger.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ton-and-urani/
Second, while we concluded that nine people related to the company did at some point donate to the Clinton Foundation, we found that the bulk of the $145 million came from Giustra. Guistra said he sold all of his stakes in Uranium One in the fall of 2007, "at least 18 months before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state" and three years before the Russian deal.
We couldn’t independently verify Giustra’s claim, but if he is telling the truth, the donation amount to the Clinton Foundation from confirmed Uranium One investors drops from more than $145 million to $4 million.
The main exception is Ian Telfer, an investor who the New York Times found donated between $1.3 million and $5.6 million to the Clinton Foundation during and after the review process for the Russian deal.
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Old 10-27-2017, 04:23 PM   #336
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Old 10-27-2017, 06:52 PM   #337
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Conservative Website First Funded Anti-Trump Research From Firm That Later Produced Dossier
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/u...ul-singer.html

Well, it wasn't Jeb! like most people suspected. Knowing who funded this research really does little to change it's significance.
At end of the day, the Muelldozer has the reins on investigation that really matters and the dossier is simply a roadmap for him to corroborate.
Aaaand there goes the "Hillary made up the dossier" conspiracy from the right. How long did that one last? 1 week?
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:16 PM   #338
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Well, Observing finally got Trump Derangement Syndrome. Girl, come on out from behind that mandle.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:21 PM   #339
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Damn it, I can't believe I just went off topic again. Observing stay on topic.
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Old 10-27-2017, 08:09 PM   #340
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Conservative Website First Funded Anti-Trump Research From Firm That Later Produced Dossier
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/u...ul-singer.html
So let's see... you're responding to the accusation that Hillary's minions funded the dossier during the run-up to the general election by making the counter-accusation that a conservative anti-Trump group hired the dossier firm during the GOP primaries?

Whatabout much?
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Old 10-27-2017, 08:14 PM   #341
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politi...ion/index.html

Yeah that Mueller investigation is nothing and going to be over. Doesn’t look like it. Now let’s see who is the unlucky winner. Gonna say Manafort.
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Old 10-27-2017, 10:01 PM   #342
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Then there’s that Clinton and the DNC paid for the dossier. A dossier commissioned by a Republican in the primary which was then funded by a firm working for the Clintons. A dossier by an ex British agent. Getting info about a guy with international ties from a person who is better equipped to do that is not wrong or illegal...
You're wrong about the dossier source, millsy. Your pal observing just posted a link to today's NYT. To quote from that link:

"The Free Beacon’s editor, Matthew Continetti, and its chairman, Michael Goldfarb, said in a statement that the website was not involved in the dossier.

'All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to The Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that The Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,' they said. 'The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele.' "


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/u...ul-singer.html

Looks like that dossier was commissioned entirely by the Clinton camp. They paid a former MI6 agent to ask Russian intelligence folks for dirt on Trump, thereby providing a perfect vehicle for Putin to inject himself into our election. And you think they did nothing wrong?

Of course, it's still possible that some conservative or Republican source OTHER than The Free Beacon started the whole thing. But that appears unlikely, given how fiercely the Democrats are fighting to keep Fusion GPS from testifying and telling us exactly how it all went down.
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Mueller comin

Don’t respond to the nonsense posted by idiots. Let’s just wait for the bullshit from Trump and his cult of supporters when Manafort or whoever is named on Monday. Can’t wait for the wall to wall Hillary talk on Monday from Fox News when the rest of the world sees Trumps old campaign manager charged.
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Again guys if you think Clinton did something wrong, you have to then say liddle Donnie did something wrong. That means Trump lied again and both should be punished. Along with Jared.
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The Fusion Collusion
Democrats are trying to protect the firm’s secrets—so the GOP should keep digging.


By Kimberley A. Strassel
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Washington is obsessed with the word “collusion” but has little understanding of its true meaning. The confusion might explain why D.C. has missed the big story of collusion between Fusion GPS and the Democratic Party.

To read the headlines, a poor, beleaguered opposition-research firm was humiliated and constitutionally abused this week by partisan Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee. Fusion’s lawyers sent a 17-page letter to the committee’s chairman, Rep. Devin Nunes, accusing him of misdeeds, declaring his subpoenas invalid, and invoking a supposed First Amendment right to silence. Yet the firm’s founders, the story went, were hauled in nonetheless and forced to plead the Fifth. “No American should experience the indignity that occurred today,” Fusion’s lawyer, Joshua Levy, declared.

Fusion is known as a ruthless firm that excels in smear jobs, but few have noticed the operation it’s conducting against the lawmakers investigating it. The false accusations against Mr. Nunes—that he’s acting unethically and extralegally, that he’s sabotaging the Russia probe—are classic.

This is a firm that in 2012 was paid to dig through the divorce records of a Mitt Romney donor. It’s a firm that human-rights activist Thor Halvorssen testified was hired to spread malicious rumors about him. It’s a firm that financier Bill Browder testified worked to delegitimize his efforts to get justice for Sergei Magnitsky, a lawyer beaten to death in a Russian prison.

It’s the firm behind the infamous “dossier” accusing Donald Trump of not just unbecoming behavior but also colluding with Russia. Republicans are investigating whether the Fusion dossier was influenced by Russians, and whether American law enforcement relied on that disinformation for its own probe.

But Fusion’s secret weapon in its latest operation is the Democratic Party, whose most powerful members have made protecting Fusion’s secrets their highest priority. Senate Democrats invoked a parliamentary maneuver in July to block temporarily Mr. Browder’s public testimony. Rep. Adam Schiff, the Democratic ranking member on the Intelligence Committee, has been engineering flaps to undercut and obstruct Mr. Nunes’s investigation. Democrats on the House Ethics Committee have deep-sixed what was meant to be a brief inquiry to clear Mr. Nunes so as to keep him sidelined.

Then there is the intel committee’s meeting this week. Despite the spin, forcing Fusion to appear was Republicans’ only recourse after months of stonewalling. Fusion’s letter ludicrously claimed that Mr. Nunes’s subpoenas were invalid, which essentially forced the committee to show otherwise. It was a question of authority.

Florida Rep. Tom Rooney put the Fusion attendees through a series of questions not out of spite but to clarify finally just what topics the firm is refusing to talk about. The Fifth Amendment doesn’t provide protection against answering all questions. It only protects against providing self-incriminating evidence. It is therefore revealing that Fusion took the Fifth on every topic—from its relationship with British spook Christopher Steele, to the history of its work, to its role in the dossier.

The untold story is the Democrats’ unprecedented behavior. Mr. Rooney had barely started when committee staffers for Mr. Schiff interrupted, accused him of badgering witnesses, and suggested he was acting unethically. Jaws dropped. Staff do not interrupt congressmen. They do not accuse them of misbehavior. And they certainly do not act as defense attorneys for witnesses. No Democratic lawmakers had bothered to come to the hearing to police this circus, and Mr. Rooney told me that he “won’t be doing any more interviews without a member from the minority present.”

Private-sector lawyers also tend not to accuse congressmen of unethical behavior, as Mr. Levy did in his letter to Mr. Nunes. But Fusion’s legal eagle must feel safe. He’s former general counsel to the Senate’s minority leader, Chuck Schumer. He has also, I’m told by people familiar with the committee’s activities, more than once possessed information that he would have had no earthly means of knowing, since it was secret committee business. Consider that: Democratic members of Congress or their staff providing sensitive details of an investigation to a company to which the committee has given subpoenas.

The Washington narrative is focused on special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. But the ferocious pushback and unseemly tactics from Democrats suggest they are growing worried. Maybe the real story is that Democrats worked with an opposition-research firm that has some alarming ties to Russia and potentially facilitated a disinformation campaign during a presidential election.

The media has its own conflict of interest, since it would prefer nobody find out about its years of, ahem, colluding with Fusion. Don’t expect any investigative reporting. But also don’t believe the stories about GOP harassment. The ferocity of the Fusion-Democrat campaign is proof Republicans are looking in the right place.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fus...ion-1508455434
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