Sad to see such negativity

[KayC_K]

I'm not a seasoned member of this little clique here but I am getting around the way and finding myself a nice spot to settle in. It is unfortunate that the questions asked about girls unknown to persons who inquire seem to come out more like "How best can we humiliate a female in our presence without actually making our presence known". What's with the culture here? I thought this was an information sharing site, not a means to bash the gender of a certain profession you all admittedly are so in favor of. Why would one need to "TOFTT", some ridiculous childish clubhouse initiation 10 yr olds do with worms and other gross mind tricks. I am a little underwhelmed by the level of maturity to say the least.

[bigryan2222]

Escorts are in a weird place where they sell a service that is very personal and very primal. Many guys bend over backwards for the women here because most often it works out in their favor. There are some terrible women to in this hobby too. Part of the hobby is going to be physical attraction so there are going to be blunt descriptions that would not be used outside of the hobby. Part of the hobby is chemistry so some people will not click.

As far as toftt, I don't know if there is a specific instance you are complaining about. In general it is used when finding out a girl is not a good provider, has misleading pics, upsells, isn't the girl in the pics, or any number of other reasons a session may suck. So this is an information exchange and it will seem like a meat market because in a way it is. This isn't eHarmony and while it is in the guys best interest to treat a woman with respect to have a better experience, the fact is there is an expected donation which takes a lot the traditional boundaries and puts them in a weird state.

To be honest, the phrase Take One For The Team is pretty tame and even though it may not be said in a ballroom it is very common in and out of the hobby.

[KayC_K]

That the inference most often is on the assumption of every unknown girl being undesirable and/or disgusting, or a con artist and overpriced scammer, unworthy of her even daring presenting herself as worthy a meal and shelter...and without one "informational share" with evidentiary facts from anyone is what im bugged by.
In many "Who's that/what's up" inquiries if the requesting post finds a brother kind enough to out a fraud for stolen photos of that's one thing entirely and very understandably worthy of scrutiny. But to arbitrarily insult someone's character, personal hygiene and safe sex choices, means of communication, or label them as a scam artist or "waste of time" for no reason but a sore ass and unlikely attraction is not a fair representation of the sites premise. It comes off as a bastion for defeated purposes on the side of the defeatist. How can that be can useful to anyone?

[bilbobaggin]

Originally Posted by KayC_K

That the inference most often is on the assumption of every unknown girl being undesirable and/or disgusting, or a con artist and overpriced scammer,

The reason the first assumption about a ad being fake, is 90% of the ads on BP are. LE traps, fake pics, pure thieves, and whole bunch of unwelcome things. I wish that this wasn't true but it is. The assumption is not the girl is "undesirable and/or disgusting", the assumption is the girl is LE, or a pimp with a AR, or the girl in the pic from 10 years ago.

When screening a new girl, we hobbyist have to assume that the girl is fake, until proven otherwise. Error on the side of caution if you will. Because if we don't, we run the risk of being robbed, arrested, spending time with somebody I really didn't want, or getting horrible service.

"TOFTT" is just a term for somebody that ran the risk of seeing a unverified girl, and reports what they saw. It is in no means a derogatory term. It's just shorthand for the first person to see someone.

I have no idea how posting a request of information about a new girl is " insult someone's character, personal hygiene and safe sex choices, " How am I insulting by asking our community for information about a girl? I cannot think of any request for information that has ever mentioned any of the things you talk about. If you can link me examples I would like to see them, because I don't know what your talking about.

[JCM800]

Originally Posted by KayC_K

What's with the culture here? I thought this was an information sharing site, not a means to bash the gender of a certain profession you all admittedly are so in favor of.

Originally Posted by KayC_K

...is not a fair representation of the sites premise. It comes off as a bastion for defeated purposes on the side of the defeatist. How can that be can useful to anyone?

Not everything you read on the hookerboard will always be sunshine and unicorns. The "IE" part in the name (the information exchange) here is useful and appreciated by the members most of the time good and bad.

[Audrey Astor]

For what it's worth, I've read several reviews where guys say, "I TOFTT, and I'm glad I did".

It's just taking a chance on an unverified lady. It's a risk some guys will take. I don't think it's meant to be derogatory KayC.

Now.....there is lots of other derogatory stuff on here, and that is a whole different story. We have to develop a fairly thick skin. There are a lot of wonderful guys in the KC area, which I am sure you have found. There are a lot of wonderful guys that don't post to these boards. It's a lot in how you market. Don't take it personal. There are some other boards that are just gross. This one is somewhat tame. You'll learn to filter stuff, and just move in a direction that is best for you. Best Wishes.

[Wizard of Ahhhhs]

Originally Posted by Audrey Astor

For what it's worth, I've read several reviews where guys say, "I TOFTT, and I'm glad I did".

It's just taking a chance on an unverified lady. It's a risk some guys will take. I don't think it's meant to be derogatory KayC.

It's a lot in how you market. Don't take it personal.

You'll learn to filter stuff, and just move in a direction that is best for you. Best Wishes.

Well stated, Audrey...

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Audrey Astor

.... You'll learn to filter stuff, and just move in a direction that is best for you....

I agree with Wiz, Audrey nailed it.
I'll add that once filtered, the good stuff will stand out, and the rest is quite ignoreable.
Regardless, you will get a good feel for a posters persona, as it's quite common that someone's board persona is strikingly similar to the that persons real world persona.

[DallasRain]

So sorry you feel that way babe...

I have had nothing but good experiences in KC....the girls and gents I have had contact with have been great.....well except for MAYBE a couple guys..lol

I choose which posts to answer to and which ones to ignore... I try to stay as stress n drama free as possible!

Not everyone is gonna be nice. Some people thrive on it... I just go with the positive and try to keep rockin on (as long as my dance card is on the plus side its all gonna be good)

Just be yourself and ignore the bs.

My motto is "you like me or you dont..if you dont then fuck YOU...and if you do then fuck ME"

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by KayC_K

That the inference most often is on the assumption of every unknown girl being undesirable and/or disgusting, or a con artist and overpriced scammer, ......

Well now, no one has ever implied that every unknown girl is those things. How can we say that: because the guys are looking to see if they want to see them. It can be very dangerous to assume that every new person one meets is OK. The truth is no one knows; until one gets to know them, or about them. We don't assume they are undesirable, or desirable. There is another option: the acknowledgement that we do not have enough information to decide - yet.

However, I try to do my homework and it is a good guess the over 80% of the ladies that make it to being even considered are rejects. That does not include the ladies that are outright rejected and don't even make it to the computer files for consideration.

Below are a listing of file folders for rejected ladies, for whatever reasons, All information is readily available to everyone. Within each folder are the reasons for reaction, pictures that are inserted into the folder, and links to files - some of which expire; so as many notes as possible are inserted. Sometimes, I may change my mind and folders can be moved around to update. For example, the folder with all the information about Brandi Grovey is still shows as a ❌ reject because she was suppose to leave KC. She seems to be staying, so I should move it. It is hard to keep up with which ladies I would like to see. Kinda of like a fox in the hen house: he doesn't know which one to pick.

01. REJECTS - WILL NOT SEE - NO WAY
01. REJECTS- *Staff Edit - JCM
02. REJECTS - POLICE STINGS AND INFORMERS
05. REJECTS - KNOWN PIMPS - OR ROBBERY/THREATS ETC.
07. REJECTS - PICTURES - FAKE
07. REJECTS- PICTURES - MULTIPLE OR DON'T MATCH
09. REJECTS - JUST NOT MY PREFERENCE
10. REJECTS - BAD REVIEWS
11. REJECTS - AD WAS TERMINATED
12. REJECTS - ASIAN MASS MARKETING

FROM A SUB FOLDER

206-953-2821❌ 24 Nikki also Hannah 26 or 773-332-5674 outcalls Here and gone
310-402-6037❌ 21 Lexii ���� ���� TGIRL
316-536-9412❌ 80 JURNEE Bad Reviews on Eccie
316-613-9566❌ 23 RACHEL �� *** TATTOO
402-389-6037❌ 26 NO NAME Car fun probably fake pictures
402-996-1956❌ 22 KENDALL - BLOND BP ���� LEFT MESSAGE EM 200/HR many phone numbers pimped
405-437-8480❌ 21 SERENE $200/hr ��️ �� *** TATTOO Pimp Setup
512-290-7186❌ 21 SERENE THE SWEETHEART ��420 WESTPORT
720-939-6496❌ 23 BARBIE bad friend of julie
816-200-7125 ❌ 25 CHER �� �� $200/hr
816-210-3320❌ 19 MARIE OR MALIA RED HEAD CALLED WANTS PICTURE ����
816-217-4660❌ 37 CARISSA BP Bad Reviews
816-284-6916❌ 25 LAYLA 25 Fake picturess ? BP
816-321-8589❌ 26 SAMMI J �� mixed
816-325-9085❌ 22 CRYSTAL 1 ��️ accept CC looks pimped
816-359-3560❌ 27 MICHELLS ������
816-372-4787❌ 21 EREIN or KITTY ������ MULTIPLE PHONES MEET & GO OUTCALL ONLY
816-384-7896❌ 22 ��️ UNIQUE $160 SMOKER REVIEWED Probably Pimped
816-392-6709❌ 25 ��Autum Summers $500/hr
816-425-1068❌ 21 MEGAN NO PHONE MATCH OR PICTURES pulls pranks NCNS
816-447-1057 ❌ 26 CASSIE LYNN �� KCMO
816-656-9131❌ 33 AMBRA ☹️ CAN'T SMILE
816-665-4318❌ 22 TRACEE ��️�� Party Girl 816-226-9075 PimP in PIC Background❓❓POLICE
816-673-0086❌ 35 BLUE SPRINGS "PARTY FRIENDLY" ��
816-772-4312❌ 36 CHER - SAW HER DRUNK fake pics������
816-809-9334�� 43 ❌AIYANA DAWN SIP SAP 5'0" NATIVE AMERICAN AND PR FAT & dirty
816-875-0966❌ 21 SALEM ���� lookes pimped Tattoo
816-878-2894❌ 23 MARIAH BP ��������
816-919-1992❌ 40 STACY TEXT FRIENDLY
850-543-4243❌ 26 ELLIE �� INDIAN/WHITE
872-333-8953❌ 22 Melody Confirmed on ECCIE discussion NO
913-215-6581❌ 27 Crystal �� ��
913-471-2953❌ 30 Brandi Grovey �� LEAVING ECCIE YES KC North
913-912-4849❌ 24 BARBIE �� �� ALSO 913-912-4840 MULTIPLE GIRLS AND PHONE NUMBERS
913-938-2169❌ 28 SUSIE Q SMOKER Brunet 28) also 816-209-8480 �� leaving KC

#15 - There is no place in our forums for the general discussion or speculation of illicit drug use. This is to be considered a forbidden topic and mention of it will be removed.

[rex1613]

WIW Jr.

[BigCox]

Wow, quite the list

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by BigCox

Wow, quite the list

That was just the folder for not the not completed items. When one tries to do homework, it is best to save your notes. A lot of times things change as more information is added to a folder. Drag and drop and copy and drop save a lot of time and build files fast. One wants the visits to a lady to be a great experience.

Being robbed, or not receiving the services expected is not a good experience.

Be careful.

[Luxie]

Does anyone else find that incredibly creepy?

[Unique_Carpenter]

Yes.