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Old 10-09-2017, 07:52 AM   #76
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When did you decide it was "useless"? 1/2 way through or at the end?
Decided in the original post.

Skim rate increased with each post studying just enough to see which responders might show some form of intelligence.
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Old 10-09-2017, 08:34 AM   #77
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You're just going along with your "original narrative" of collusion and conspiracy. FYI: I don't know what the "Original Narrative" is ... I wasn't paying attention to it.

I did see/hear reports in the early morning hours after the shooting began and after the "event" had ended as far as the shooting is concerned, which I thought was rather quickly ended given the environment, circumstances, and "knowns"!
Hahaha, my narrative is probably closer to what actually took place than the MSM bullshit.


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Old 10-09-2017, 08:44 AM   #78
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I guess this is the "street bum" they dragged in ....



I don't see a "tat," do you?



I know! That's one of those "vanishing" tats used by the CIA/Sci-Ops to deceive the U.S. voters.

Or is it one of those "tats" than can only be seen from an angle on the skin?

Or is it shadowing caused by the lighting on an "Adam's Apple"?

Do you have any more pics of the elusive tat of a "13" in the center-front of neck? Or is that the only pic of it?

Adding to your "conspiracy" here's a link to a video purportedly of the shooter gambling in Atlantic City after shooting!

http://asheepnomore.net/2017/10/07/i...egas-shooting/

I didn't open the video, since I try to avoid contaminating my computer if at all possible, and I don't see authentification of the source.
We don't know when he got his tattoo. There maybe a picture circulating before he got the tattoo that doesn't mean the dead guy is him. Besides his death picture draws some questions. Why would a shell casing be sitting in a puddle of blood instead of being covered in blood? If he shot himself in the mouth and the bullet exited the back of his head there should be a spray pattern not just a puddle of blood. If he used that revolver to end his life it wouldn't be that far away from him. So my conclusion is that's a fake crime scene photo.


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Old 10-09-2017, 08:52 AM   #79
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We don't know when he got his tattoo. There maybe a picture circulating before he got the tattoo that doesn't mean the dead guy is him.


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And it doesn't mean it's not.

Again, the "authenticity" of the picture is in question irrespective of the alleged source.

I have some questions about the picture itself as it relates to a firearm suicide by mouth particularly without knowing the identity of the firearm.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:02 AM   #80
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Hahaha, my narrative is probably closer to what actually took place than the MSM bullshit.


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Really? And your "narrative" is ... Paddock isn't dead?
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:29 AM   #81
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Really? And your "narrative" is ... Paddock isn't dead?
No. He was eaten by sharks!
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:37 AM   #82
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Really? And your "narrative" is ... Paddock isn't dead?
I didn't say Paddock wasn't dead. But then again who is Paddock? Is he the guy in the photo with blood on his face which is clearly a fake picture, or is he still alive?


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Old 10-09-2017, 09:52 AM   #83
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I didn't say Paddock wasn't dead. But then again who is Paddock? Is he the guy in the photo with blood on his face which is clearly a fake picture, or is he still alive?


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That's not a "narrative" then ... you just have a lot of question that you want answered ... and probably won't get them answered to your satisfaction.

That's the "nature" of "conspiracy theories" they don't fit the given facts so when the questions are asked there are no facts to answer the questions posed, so according to the "theorists" that confirms the "theory"!

Another "problem" with "conspiracy theories" is there by definition has to be more than one person involved, which means there are persons in the mix who can spill "the beans" and blow "the whistle" on the co-conspirators.

Start with a "house detective" for the hotel, first responders, local police, and days of hotel security video with probably audio, not to mention apparently some hookers who dropped by .... not to mention guests on the same floor or in the lobby during the time he was there for 3-4 days. They all have to be "co-conspirators" or eliminated by the Government!

It's not like the "conspiracy" to pretend NASA landed on the Moon!

People who begin with a theory ("narrative" as you call it) and walk it back to fit the "theory" end up with the wrong conclusion most of the time, because they disregard the FACTS that disprove their "theory" ... in the discipline of criminal investigation it's called a "focused investigation" ... the "focus" being to prove the "theory" as opposed to finding out what actually happened!
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That's not a "narrative" then ... you just have a lot of question that you want answered ... and probably won't get them answered to your satisfaction.

That's the "nature" of "conspiracy theories" they don't fit the given facts so when the questions are asked there are no facts to answer the questions posed, so according to the "theorists" that confirms the "theory"!

Another "problem" with "conspiracy theories" is there by definition has to be more than one person involved, which means there are persons in the mix who can spill "the beans" and blow "the whistle" on the co-conspirators.

Start with a "house detective" for the hotel, first responders, local police, and days of hotel security video with probably audio, not to mention apparently some hookers who dropped by .... not to mention guests on the same floor or in the lobby during the time he was there for 3-4 days. They all have to be "co-conspirators" or eliminated by the Government!

It's not like the "conspiracy" to pretend NASA landed on the Moon!

People who begin with a theory ("narrative" as you call it) and walk it back to fit the "theory" end up with the wrong conclusion most of the time, because they disregard the FACTS that disprove their "theory" ... in the discipline of criminal investigation it's called a "focused investigation" ... the "focus" being to prove the "theory" as opposed to finding out what actually happened!
You're too worried about what's conspiracy and what isn't. I am looking at what has been presented and it's flawed as hell. That suicide picture is a fake, so why is it circulating? If that's fake what else about this incident could be fake or altered? I am not interested in conspiracy. I am only interested in the truth.

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Old 10-09-2017, 11:08 AM   #85
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You're too worried about what's conspiracy and what isn't.
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Hardly! Apparently you didn't read my explanation of the "difficulty" of a "conspiracy" in this situation. Your "narrative" has to be a "conspiracy" to deceive the public with false information.

Do you have a link that says the pic is a fake?

Why is a "fake pic" circulating? Did you really ask that?

I suggest you write/email/or whatever the Sheriff and ask him why he hasn't told you all the facts that have developed in their investigation (which includes the Feds and what the Feds have disclosed to him (FYI: Feds don't always tell locals what they are doing or what they have "discovered" in their work)). Tell him you have a right to know, and he's lying to everyone!

But be prepared for a "visit" to discuss why you want to know, and what you do know!
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Hardly! Apparently you didn't read my explanation of the "difficulty" of a "conspiracy" in this situation. Your "narrative" has to be a "conspiracy" to deceive the public with false information.

Do you have a link that says the pic is a fake?

Why is a "fake pic" circulating? Did you really ask that?

I suggest you write/email/or whatever the Sheriff and ask him why he hasn't told you all the facts that have developed in their investigation (which includes the Feds and what the Feds have disclosed to him (FYI: Feds don't always tell locals what they are doing or what they have "discovered" in their work)). Tell him you have a right to know, and he's lying to everyone!

But be prepared for a "visit" to discuss why you want to know, and what you do know!
It's a fake pic. look at the dam picture. Common sense will tell ya that shell casing should have blood platter on it. There should also be a blood splatter as the bullet exits the back of the head not just a little puddle. That picture simply isn't consistent with what would happen if someone put a handgun in their mouth and pulled the trigger.

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It's a fake pic. look at the dam picture. Common sense will tell ya that shell casing should have blood platter on it. There should also be a blood splatter as the bullet exits the back of the head not just a little puddle. That picture simply isn't consistent with what would happen if someone put a handgun in their mouth and pulled the trigger.

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#1: You said it was fake. I asked if there is a link confirming it is fake. So your OPINION is that it is fake. The picture has some issues, but like I posted, I would like to know what weapon he used to avoid prosecution. The weapon would make a difference, and seeking the back of his head would also.

You want it to be fake. I just want to know if it is or not.

But that's a major difference in our perspectives.
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It's a fake pic. look at the dam picture. Common sense will tell ya that shell casing should have blood platter on it. There should also be a blood splatter as the bullet exits the back of the head not just a little puddle. That picture simply isn't consistent with what would happen if someone put a handgun in their mouth and pulled the trigger.

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I disagree.

I know of two cases where a first responder arrived on the scene of a suicide by handgun to the mouth case.

In one case, the man was still alive and talked to EMTs as they entered the room. He had changed locations in the room....talked....then died. Entry and exit wounds were remarkable.

The other case, the guy lived.

In that photo above, Paddock shot himself somewhere else and under his own power made his way into that position to bleed out.

He was down for over an hour before that photo could have been taken.
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In that photo above, Paddock shot himself somewhere else and under his own power made his way into that position to bleed out.

He was down for over an hour before that photo could have been taken.
You would have to examine the room to draw that conclusion.

And aren't you "assuming" the picture is of the status of the body at the time of entry of the first officers into the room?

I believe he was found face down and then was rolled over to identify him by those who entered the room and discovered him. There is an older blood pattern on the carpeting with a fresh blood pool pattern on top of it behind his head, which explains the blood on his chest, and the fresh pool was created from the pooling of the blood in his remaining part of his skull to the front of his face.

IMO he would not have been able to walk anywhere with that amount of damage to generate that much blood coming from his mouth and then from the back of his head ... too much brain damage from the explosion.

As I said before: I would like to have the weapon he used identified. It was reported early on that one pistol was discovered in the room when they entered. One day the official reports will be released and perhaps there will be sufficient information to clarify, not only the validity of the picture, but any other details, if it really matters.
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^^^^ Exactly....my point wasn't the photo isn't obviously fake....as was suggested.
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