obamacare individual mandate

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/th...plain-english/

the supreme court in a series of rulings on it. I should say convoluted rulings that undermined each other.

they said the individual mandate is constitutional because it is a tax. Congress had authority to create one.

in another part of the ruling, the court said the individual mandate was unconstitutional as congress didn't have the power to force people to buy a product under the commerce clause.

the 2 rulings are in conflict with each other.

I think this is where Donald can issue an executive order not to enforce the individual mandate or order the health dept to rescind the rule or both.

As for the Supreme Court ruling with all due respect you have mischaracterized Judge Roberts discussion ... and it's not just a matter of semantics. It's a "philosophy" of the SCOTUS that has grown since the Court first started deciding cases.

If a law is "Constitutional" under one "characterization" it is not in conflict with the "characterization" of that law that is unConstitutional. Roberts merely characterized the mandate as a "tax," which was within Constitutional Powers of Congress to pass.

As for Trump's action one of the early EO's he signed (if not the first one) was for the IRS NOT to enforce the mandates when looking at returns.

Edit: It was the 1st EO he signed: No. 13765 January 20, 2017.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rder_13765.pdf

.. and it wasn't directed at just the IRS ... all Executive Branch.

"Sec. 2. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (Secretary) and the heads of all other executive departments and agencies (agencies) with authorities and responsibilities under the Act shall exercise all authority and discretion available to them to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement of the Act that would impose a fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications."

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/th...plain-english/

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/...nal-challenges

obamacare individual mandate which is better known as Individual Shared Responsibility fee.

the supreme court in a series of rulings on it. I should say convoluted rulings that undermined each other.

they said the individual mandate is constitutional because it is a tax. Congress had authority to create one.

in another part of the ruling, the court said the individual mandate was unconstitutional as congress didn't have the power to force people to buy a product under the commerce clause.

the 2 rulings are in conflict with each other.

I think this is where Donald can issue an executive order not to enforce the individual mandate or order the health dept to rescind the rule or both.

this is a extension of this post. was going to add more didn't have time to so.

this is in reference to Congress's illegal healthcare bailout by executive order.

https://thefederalist.com/2017/08/01...s-health-care/

So the Obamacare law terminated the coverage members of Congress previously had through the Federal Employee Health Benefit (FEHB) program, required them to sign up on the Obamacare exchanges, and provided no employer contribution.

Obama directed the Office of Personnel Management to issue a rule (78 Fed. Reg. 60653-01) purporting that Congress, which has thousands of employees, is a small business and therefore: “the DC Health Link Small Business Market administered by the DC Health Benefit Exchange Authority, is the appropriate SHOP from which Members of Congress and designated congressional staff will purchase health insurance in order to receive a Government contribution.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic..._congress.html

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...ption-n2362489

[LexusLover]

The interpretation of the Federal regulation is incorrect when it says that Federal employees were REQUIRED to obtain coverage through the DC exchange.

The Federal employees were only allowed "employer" contributions to the premiums if coverage was obtained through the DC exchange, which in effect increased (artificially) the enrollment in the Exchanges, which gave the appearance of success.

The dependence on "employer contributions" for premiums creates an "entitlement" that frustrates attempts to eliminate those Regs and Provisions of ObaminableCare and puts a heavy personnel burden on the members of Congress who must vote for the changes.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by bambino

He should do that too and kick you and Asswipe off of Medicaid. Americans hate the insurance companies as much as Congress.

But not as much as they hateTwitler.

Or EATLER! (My apologies to the model in this picture... I just couldn't find one appropriately disgusting to represent the ignorant, bellicose, vile, gelatinous heap of Monkey feces in question)

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

But not as much as they hateTwitler.

Or EATLER! (My apologies to the model in this picture... I just couldn't find one appropriately disgusting to represent the ignorant, bellicose, vile, gelatinous heap of Monkey feces in question)

Was that the last cock you sucked PIG

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

besides term limits, the terms of the senators as an elected body need to be reduced from 6 years to 3. 6 years was ok for an appointed senator who answered directly to the states, but not for an elected senator who is heavily influenced by voters most of whom have short term memory issues.

the corruption & rot in the senate took 100 years to complete. the rot started 35 years ago and the corruption set in as a result of it.

I'd be ok making it 4 years bOTH for the house AND senate. Same as the presidency.. AND ONLY 2 terms in either the house OR senate before trying a run for Potus..

[gnadfly]

What ever happened to the business mandate? Obama said it was essential to the success of Obamacare but signed executive orders to delay it indefinitely.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WTF

I love it....it is now in Trump's hands.

He will own it, no matter what he does.

Bullshit, the ACA was designed to fail and right on schedule. The ACA was designed to be a gateway to a single payer Government Healthcare System. By 2020 you'll start to see that taking shape.


Jim

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

What ever happened to the business mandate? Obama said it was essential to the success of Obamacare but signed executive orders to delay it indefinitely.

He imo did that cause too many unions whined.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Bullshit, the ACA was designed to fail and right on schedule. The ACA was designed to be a gateway to a single payer Government Healthcare System. By 2020 you'll start to see that taking shape.


Jim

Again, you're talking out your ass, you fucking RETARD!

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

What ever happened to the business mandate? Obama said it was essential to the success of Obamacare but signed executive orders to delay it indefinitely.

Why did he suspend the business mandate?

Was it an attempt at including the opposition? I think there was LOTS of the ACA that was a concession to the GOPPOSITION.

used to be that's how we did things in our democracy.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Again, you're talking out your ass, you fucking RETARD!

It is you that doesn't know what you're talking about. But the again, you're a stupid. From the architect of Obama Care.

http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/03/2...nce-companies/

PIG

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by bambino

Was that the last cock you sucked PIG

You got NOTHING, EATLER! NOTHING!

Except these moobs, of course...

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You got NOTHING, EATLER! NOTHING!

Except these moobs, of course...

Read the link you stupid fuck.


WOOPIGSOOIE

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by bambino

Read the link you stupid fuck.


WOOPIGSOOIE

he must be brain dead... that he won't admit that he was conned by Obama on ACA.