Trump announces transgenders cannot serve in the Military!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Those are two totally different issues.My ex girlfriend lost her younger brother to those shitty armored Humvees.

You'd make a better argument by banning Trump flying to Florida to golf (90 million)or buying vigara (89 million) for limp dick retirees than banning those wishing to offer their life for service.(6.5 million)

In fact Trump, who did all he could to get out of service to this country is the last mutherfucker to ban others who voluntarily offer up their life for this country.

Nah. The fact that the U.S. military has done very well for over two hundred years without making these unnecessary and expensive accommodations proves that incurring these expenses at this late date to satisfy the whims of a mentally unstable minority are wholly unjustified. Plus, "Kristen Beck" exemplifies exactly how this issue should be resolved: on their own time and on their dime. Furthermore, excusing the waste of tax payer dollars by claiming that you think other outlays are a waste of taxpayer dollars in no manner justifies "wasting" more taxpayer dollars. Finally, consider the fact that you are equating this unnecessary expense with other outlays you consider to be "wastes"; that should be a hint that it is a "waste".

BTW, $6 million would buy a dozen armored vehicles.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by WTF

Look dickhead....if there is a job in the military that a blind person could do better than some perverted dipshit like you, I'd be all for emlisting them. It is all about abality , not sexual orientation.




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Emlisting? Abality? Who's the dipshit. There's no guarantee that a transgender would be able to serve after the operation you nimrod. They have to observed for 18 months you asshat. If they washout it was a waste of time and money. I agree with IB, buy the Humvees, they work.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by lustylad

You're joking, right? Seriously? They let tranny butches join the boy scouts now? Wtf? I'm still trying to figure out how they could let openly gay scout leaders join. That's like putting out a welcome mat for (forbidden subject). Providing a fertile new hunting ground for all of the Jerry Sanduskies of the world.

As a society, we've lost all common sense!

They did that cause the lbgqt mafia threatened them with lawsuits..

Originally Posted by grean

I would have more respect for you homophobes of you didn't try to justify your phobia. Just say you don't like transgendered and you don't want them in the military.

So i am a homphobe cause i quote REGULATIONS that list all the medical/mental issues that prevent someone from serving, which Transgenderism SHOULD qualify as..??

Originally Posted by Old-T

Yet still some of the swamp dwellers here like garhkal, LL, etc., read that and convince themselves that I am supporting transgenders in the military. That, or they have given up all pretense of honesty (in truth it is probably both).

Where did i say what you posted was supporting transgenders in the mil??

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WTF

There is is good possibility it will drive it down if they finally are accepted into society

My guess is it would be around the same as all other Vets...


So we have shot down the cost argument. ..

The antidotal evidence....

And now made a decent rebuttal to the concern of their suicide rate...

You're trying to make a point but it's a lame one. Transgender male and females can't expect to be accepted by society overall. There will be those that will accept them and those that will not, they must accept that. You can't put the burden on society, but rather the transgender himself/herself they must first be happy with themselves. Yes they will have some obstacles but society really doesn't have an obligation to accept their decision to be transgendered. If the suicide rate is exceedingly high among trannys in the military the idea to take their own life had to originate in their mind first, society is secondary, if at all. If Transgender is a form of mental illness then we need to address it for what it is.

Jim

[gnadfly]

From Reddit, Facebook, etc

Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military. Nobody.
What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it.
The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short.
Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the requred course in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups?
Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon?
All can be reasons for denial.
The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability.
Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful.
YOU change yourself to meet Military standards. Not the other way around.
I say again: You don't change the Military... you must change yourself.
The Military doesn't need to accomodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars.
If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors. Who's next in line?

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

From Reddit, Facebook, etc

Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military. Nobody.
What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it.
The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short.
Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the requred course in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups?
Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon?
All can be reasons for denial.
The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability.
Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful.
YOU change yourself to meet Military standards. Not the other way around.
I say again: You don't change the Military... you must change yourself.
The Military doesn't need to accomodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars.
If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors. Who's next in line?

Hard to argue with that.


Jim

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Nah. The fact that the U.S. military has done very well for over two hundred years without making these unnecessary and expensive accommodations proves that incurring these expenses at this late date to satisfy the whims of a mentally unstable minority are wholly unjustified. Plus, "Kristen Beck" exemplifies exactly how this issue should be resolved: on their own time and on their dime. Furthermore, excusing the waste of tax payer dollars by claiming that you think other outlays are a waste of taxpayer dollars in no manner justifies "wasting" more taxpayer dollars. Finally, consider the fact that you are equating this unnecessary expense with other outlays you consider to be "wastes"; that should be a hint that it is a "waste".

BTW, $6 million would buy a dozen armored vehicles.

I equated what YOU consider a waste with what I consider a waste. Those two things are not always going to be in agreement, such as this time.

I consider an expense in equality , well spent money.

And in monetary terms yours is a 10x bigger waste times 2.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Hard to argue with that.


Jim

I can and have and will continue too.

[MT Pockets]

While I still defend the Intergendered, I do see an upside to the new law. Ted Nugent will not have to shit in his pants for a week and not bath if he is drafted again. He can just grow his ponytail out and be the fag all the rednecks called guys with long hair all those years.
Trump will not even have to file a deferment just show up with his orange makeup and his wig and he will turn away for sure.

[MT Pockets]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Kinda proves my point, doesn't it, M T Brain Socket? The stress of military service drives up the rate of suicide among normal, well adjusted individuals; so, what do you imagine it's going to do to someone who is already 41% more susceptible to committing suicide, you equivocating lib-retard?


Not in the least. You could care less about Vets struggling once the military is done with them. You are just acting all caring to push your agenda

Dilbert already provided the evidence at post #166: American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, M T Brain Socket. But in your haste to ignore anything that definitively refutes your lib-retard POV you stuck your head up your ass to remain blind and oblivious to the facts, M T Brain Socket.

Not really. You guys will try anything to support your Idol Trump. Stick to what you know, hate and corruption.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Hard to argue with that.


Jim

The vast military industrial complex is a jobs program that is slowly leading us to little more than a police state. It is used to enrich the political well connected.

6 million dollars is made out to be this vast sum of money and it seems all service members are now trained navy seal assassins.

Total bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that some people are born scared of change.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by MT Pockets

Not really. You guys will try anything to support your Idol Trump. Stick to what you know, hate and corruption.

And how the fuck do you know what IB thinks about vets? The answer is you don't. So quit posting drivel. Dumb fuck.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by WTF

The vast military industrial complex is a jobs program that is slowly leading us to little more than a police state. It is used to enrich the political well connected.

6 million dollars is made out to be this vast sum of money and it seems all service members are now trained navy seal assassins.

Total bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that some people are born scared of change.

"Police State"? What a moron.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by garhkal

Where did i say what you posted was supporting transgenders in the mil??

Well, you quoted this:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Old-T
I agree, Political Correctness does not.

But the Constitution does.

And some people have a hard time seeing the difference. Segregated units were once seen as PC. Who gets to decide what is PC vice Constitutional matters a lot.


And replied directly with this:

So should all those OTHER MENTAL and physical things that disqualify someone from seving also be done away with "To be constitutional'??

Which certainly seems like you think I am arguing for transgenders to be in the military. If that is not what you meant, I retract including you in with the others.

[bambino]

I guess General Kelley agrees with the policy. He's now the COS. I'm guessing Mattis is as well.