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Old 07-16-2017, 10:45 PM   #76
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Nothing but speculation by you JDrunk. If the ACA is collapseing , then why are the Health Insurance companies filing new rates with the "Commissioner of Health Insurance" for each state? There is no need to file a rate with the "Commissioner of Health Insurance" if you don't plan on selling health insurance in a particular state. As for choice, there was as much choice in 2017 as there was in 2016 for most policyholders. JDrunk, you simply do not know what you are talking about!
Ok flighty, time for you to provide a few facts to back up your assertions:

1. Are the number of insurers filing new obamacare rates in each state for 2018 rising or falling versus this year and last year? Are the news reports of more and more insurers deciding to pull out of the obamacare exchanges in more and more states incorrect? How about giving us some numbers/data?

2. To have a "choice" of plans, you need at least two options. How many US counties will have less than two obamacare options (either one or zero) in 2018? How does that compare with 2013-2017?

While I could easily look up the answers to those questions, I want to let you try to back up your bullshit first. I mean, when it comes to the sacred cow of obamacare, you're the only one in this forum who knows what he's talking about, right?
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:29 AM   #77
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[QUOTE=I B Hankering;1059742158] Most of the remaining balance of that 20 million should never have been put on Medicaid to begin with, flighty. /QUOTE]

IBH, Senator Susan Collins (R-Me) disagrees with you about the Expanded Medicaid. You are not on the same page.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/c1685b2...rees-with.html
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:29 AM   #78
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Ok flighty, time for you to provide a few facts to back up your assertions:

1. Are the number of insurers filing new obamacare rates in each state for 2018 rising or falling versus this year and last year? Are the news reports of more and more insurers deciding to pull out of the obamacare exchanges in more and more states incorrect? How about giving us some numbers/data?

2. To have a "choice" of plans, you need at least two options. How many US counties will have less than two obamacare options (either one or zero) in 2018? How does that compare with 2013-2017?

While I could easily look up the answers to those questions, I want to let you try to back up your bullshit first. I mean, when it comes to the sacred cow of obamacare, you're the only one in this forum who knows what he's talking about, right?
Here you go Lad. If you are not challenged by data on a graph, all the information is there. Like I said JDrunk and IBH don't know what they are talking about.

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Most marketplace enrollees had multiple insurance companies to choose among this year, and most will again in 2018. In 2017, 83 percent of enrollees received help paying their premiums.
In four Indiana counties, parts of Ohio and rural Nevada, no insurer has yet filed or publicly announced plans to sell marketplace plans. About 25,000 people enrolled in marketplace plans in these so-called “bare” counties in 2017. Insurance departments in each state are working to convince companies to re-enter those areas.


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Old 07-17-2017, 08:31 AM   #79
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IBH, Senator Susan Collins (R-Me) disagrees with you about the Expanded Medicaid. You are not on the same page.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/c1685b2...rees-with.html
It's a fact, flighty. Odumbo, et al, changed the definition of "poverty" to include people who shouldn't be categorized as such, flighty. You and your lib-retard senator are chanting Odumbo's mantra of lies, flighty.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:37 AM   #80
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The Fightr vs the "dingbat squad" can be summed up with this.
Those that will be effected will not lose the ability to buy insurance as the dingbats have said.
They will however need to get a second job that pays pretty well to afford it.
Seems like the dingbats are trying use a play on words. They think that because a person could still get insurance at a premium potentially higher than just paying for healthcare out of your pocket is a feasible option. I wonder how many of them are in a position that it would devastate them and are just too foolish to notice.
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:03 PM   #81
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The Fightr vs the "dingbat squad" can be summed up with this.
Those that will be effected will not lose the ability to buy insurance as the dingbats have said.
They will however need to get a second job that pays pretty well to afford it.
Seems like the dingbats are trying use a play on words. They think that because a person could still get insurance at a premium potentially higher than just paying for healthcare out of your pocket is a feasible option. I wonder how many of them are in a position that it would devastate them and are just too foolish to notice.
You'd be the dingbat liar, M T Brain Socket. This is what "various government reports contain the following facts about persons defined as 'poor' by the Census Bureau", M T Brain Socket:

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  • Nearly 40 percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. On average, this is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
  • Eighty-four percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
  • Nearly two-thirds of the poor have cable or satellite TV.
  • Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
  • The typical poor American has as much or more living space than the average individual living in most European countries. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
  • Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
  • Ninety-eight percent of poor households have a color television; two-thirds own two or more color televisions.
  • Eighty-two percent own microwave ovens; 67 percent have a DVD player; 73 percent have a VCR; 47 percent have a computer.
  • The average intake of protein, vitamins, and minerals by poor children is indistinguishable from that of children in the upper middle class. Poor boys today at ages 18 and 19 are actually taller and heavier than middle-class boys of similar age were in the late 1950s. They are a full inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy during World War II.

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Old 07-17-2017, 05:00 PM   #82
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You'd be the dingbat liar, M T Brain Socket. This is what "various government reports contain the following facts about persons defined as 'poor' by the Census Bureau", M T Brain Socket:
Not That anything you have ever said has made a bit of sense. This is even worse than usual. How does some statistics about poor people and owning homes and having cable or not have any bearing on those with a pre-existing health condition? You apparently have no idea what you are talking about, but whats new.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:08 PM   #83
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Not That anything you have ever said has made a bit of sense. This is even worse than usual. How does some statistics about poor people and owning homes and having cable or not have any bearing on those with a pre-existing health condition? You apparently have no idea what you are talking about, but whats new.
It's obvious that your dim-retard buddy Odumbo arbitrarily changed the definitions to suit the lib-retard agenda of gaining state control over all facets of civil life, M T Brain Socket. When you've seen poor women sweeping dirt floors with banana fronds in third world countries then you'd know Odumbo's definition of poverty that includes overweight, cigarette smoking, beer guzzling, underemployed couch potatoes who own houses, two cars, big screen TVs, an Odumbo phone, and sport a mouth full of gold teeth and a body covered with tattoos is a heap of steaming shit, M T Brain Socket.
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President Obama's main accomplishment was losing the House, Senate, state houses and senates, and governorships.

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President Obama's main accomplishment was losing the House, Senate, state houses and senates, and governorships.

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Your hero Bush43 left the USA in the steepest recession since the Great Depression of 1929.

When Bush43 left office the DJIA (Dow Jones Industrial Average) was 7,000 points and falling fast. When Obama left office the DJIA was 18,000 points, this is a gain of 11,000 points. Everyone's 401k /IRA/Mutual Fund should have increased.

Bush43 left office with a budget deficit of 1.4 Trillion dollars. Obama shaved almost a Trillion from this, leaving Trump with a budget of deficit of 585 billion. Fact Jack!

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit
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It's a fact, flighty. Odumbo, et al, changed the definition of "poverty" to include people who shouldn't be categorized as such, flighty. You and your lib-retard senator are chanting Odumbo's mantra of lies, flighty.
Senator Susan Collins is in your party Corpy. The difference is she has a vote in the Senate. You are left to debating on a "pay for play board". You should not knock her, just because you disagree with her.

One more time dumbass, to qualify for Expanded Medicaid in one of the 31 states that took the deal, you must be a family of 4 and make less than $24,000. When you are in this category you are poor, you are not middle class. You can give up that argument about Obama and census. Why don't you ask the 300,000 citizens of Kentucky who getting Expanded Medicaid, if they like their coverage, instead of being uninsured.

http://chfs.ky.gov/dms/medicaid+expansion.htm
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Senator Susan Collins is in your party Corpy. The difference is she has a vote in the Senate. You are left to debating on a "pay for play board". You should not knock her, just because you disagree with her.

One more time dumbass, to qualify for Expanded Medicaid in one of the 31 states that took the deal, you must be a family of 4 and make less than $24,000. When you are in this category you are poor, you are not middle class. You can give up that argument about Obama and census. Why don't you ask the 300,000 citizens of Kentucky who getting Expanded Medicaid, if they like their coverage, instead of being uninsured.
Odumbo changed the definition and added a little padding to insure more people qualified, flighty, and he fuckin' made it more susceptible to fraud.


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Anybody besides me remember when President Obama went on national TV and said TWICE that there was $200 billion of Medicare fraud A YEAR? And that Obamacare would help combat that? And hardly anyone question him until he said fraud was "only" $50 billion a year.

Anyone?
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Construction on Odumbo's presidential library is on schedule.


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Construction on Odumbo's presidential library is on schedule.


$100 million dick head of the century!!! that's obama!!
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