President Trump's tax returns.

[centexguy]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

Just a couple small examples (though there are plenty): Do you think that when Obama supported efforts to protect the environment, he was doing this only for Democrats? Or was he doing this for the benefit of ALL Americans?

When Obama tried to get the filthy rich to pay more in taxes so that the middle class could prosper, was he doing this only to benefit Democrats? And, would you Austin Ellen, have benefited from such a tax change?

Obama didn't care about the average person. He bailed out the big banks that are run by millionaires. Obamacare forces everybody to buy insurance from the big insurance companies, yet another example of him helping millionaires make more money.

Remember all the solar panel companies getting subsidies from the government? More money for Obama's rich friends.

In the 8 years he was president wealth inequality grew worse. Anyone who thinks Obama was against the rich and was helping the middle class needs to stop with the hallucinations and try to get a more balanced view of things.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Milly23

I don't care about the inherited money or how much he is worth. Maybe he could have made more money not doing anything. Maybe a small 14 million dollar loan isn't much in the grand scheme. I just hate this notion that Trump is a great businessman and he will run this country like he ran his company. Trump is not a great businessman. He is a great salesman. He's not investing his own money. He has an (sic) stock broker for that. He's not building all those hotels with his name on it, nor does he own them many times. What he does is he loans his name out for builders. They build condos, hotels, etc. and put his name on it. That's definitely savvy marketing but that's not being a businessman. Trump has some good real estate holdings but we aren't calling him a great real estate guy. We call him the businessman. If you at the times he's tried to step out of selling his name to people, he's failed. He failed in casinos, he failed with steaks (which the brilliant business man sold at Sharper Image), with ties, with Trump University, he's failed with Trump vodka (outside of Israel and that's on hold), etc. He's not this great businessman and guess what, the country isn't a company. It can't be ran like a company. Which he is finding out every day. There's a reason that people who do well as president have served in the military or held public office. They know certain things like diplomacy, maybe how the federal budget works. Things that a person running a company doesn't really think about. In your company, you can just hire put your daughter on the board, when running the country, putting your daughter on your staff to be your eyes and ears is unethical. When running a company, you can tweet crazy things and it can tank your stock. When running the country, your crazy tweets loses (sic) us allies, their intelligence sharing, credibility, and so much more. At some point Trump, his supporters, and even Democrats are going to have to stop with the campaign mentality of you hate Trump because he won and you support Trump because you're horrible. The country is split and Trump has to start representing all Americans not just his voters.

Nice post, millsy. (No sarcasm alert.) Some of your criticisms are valid too. Trump is a brilliant marketer more than a brilliant businessman. Real estate is a highly cyclical industry. He figured out it is less risky to license your name/brand and let others assume most of the construction and management risks. That doesn't make it a slam dunk, though. If he teams up with shoddy partners, it can tarnish his brand. I was surprised to see him put his name on things like steaks and vodka. That may have looked tacky, but you have no basis to say he failed. Just because those products didn't “go viral” with consumers doesn't mean they lost money. The more important point you overlook is - even if he did fail a few times, that's part of the learning curve. Have you ever met a successful entrepreneur who was afraid to fail? Too many Democrats are risk-averse, live entirely off the public till, and never take a risk in their lives. Yet they are quick to put the private-sector careers of people like Trump or Romney under a microscope, eager to smear them with any hint of “failure” while pooh-poohing every success. To me, that's akin to the bat boy bad-mouthing the team's leading hitter.

Yes, it takes skills such as diplomacy and budgeting to run government. Trump may not be the best example, but what makes you think those skills are not acquired in business? It takes a certain amount of diplomacy to run a board meeting. Every successful business operates on a budget. Rex Tillerson circled the globe for Exxon – you don't think he is qualified to conduct diplomacy? And what about leadership skills? You don't rise to the top in business without them. In Washington DC they're in very short supply.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I remember reading a long time ago (1990) that Donald Trump had a financial advisor fired because he predicted that the Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City might fail based on his financial data. This is Donald Trump in action in my opinion. Agree with him or be fired. I googled the firing.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/10/497087...-took-on-trump

Yeah, that's bullshit interference by Trump. The guy was a Wall Street analyst whose job was to evaluate the riskiness of junk bonds - and to do so with integrity and independence. He looked at the numbers and called it straight. His judgment was vindicated. I liked the way years later he still voted for Trump and calls him a “genius” at marketing and handling the press. Sounds like his judgment remains good. The real villain of the story was his employer, Janney Montgomery Scott.

[Milly23]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Nice post, millsy. (No sarcasm alert.) Some of your criticisms are valid too. Trump is a brilliant marketer more than a brilliant businessman. Real estate is a highly cyclical industry. He figured out it is less risky to license your name/brand and let others assume most of the construction and management risks. That doesn't make it a slam dunk, though. If he teams up with shoddy partners, it can tarnish his brand. I was surprised to see him put his name on things like steaks and vodka. That may have looked tacky, but you have no basis to say he failed. Just because those products didn't “go viral” with consumers doesn't mean they lost money. The more important point you overlook is - even if he did fail a few times, that's part of the learning curve. Have you ever met a successful entrepreneur who was afraid to fail? Too many Democrats are risk-averse, live entirely off the public till, and never take a risk in their lives. Yet they are quick to put the private-sector careers of people like Trump or Romney under a microscope, eager to smear them with any hint of “failure” while pooh-poohing every success. To me, that's akin to the bat boy bad-mouthing the team's leading hitter.

Yes, it takes skills such as diplomacy and budgeting to run government. Trump may not be the best example, but what makes you think those skills are not acquired in business? It takes a certain amount of diplomacy to run a board meeting. Every successful business operates on a budget. Rex Tillerson circled the globe for Exxon – you don't think he is qualified to conduct diplomacy? And what about leadership skills? You don't rise to the top in business without them. In Washington DC they're in very short supply.

Trump actually has signed on with builders who have failed their tenants. But that's the thing, he was smart enough to have his name on the building without taking the hit for someone failing to run the building. The guy has a eye for real estate. And that's my probably with Trump steaks, vodka, etc. It's not that it's tacky, it's that your brand as Trump is luxury. Selling steaks at Sharper Image isn't luxury. I agree you have to be willing to fail, but I also feel that you shouldn't set yourself up to fail. And going into the steak market when you are doing real estate is doing that. It's a big turn into a market that would be hard to incorporate into your brand easily. I'm all for taking risks. But when you are that successful already you should take calculated risks.

The skills are different though. The budget for a company and the diplomacy needed to run a company is so different from government. Government is complicated with the different parties, the different factions in parties. Look at the budget. Running a company you know that you have to balance the books. You can't add money to R&D without taking money from another department. But with government it's not as easy as taking money from the EPA and giving it to defense. There are programs that you need to keep for political reasons and for voters. So it becomes complicated. Same with diplomacy. You have allies that you keep close and enemies you keep close. In business you don't have to keep your competition close nor do you have to work with them. There's no diplomacy for that. Your example of Rex Tillerson is a perfect example for the difference. He has circled the globe for Exxon but he found out that it was a little more taxing doing it as Secretary of State. So much so that he said that he was tired after his trip to Korea. I think you mentioned a person I think would have brought both leadership and business savvy to Sec of State, Romney. That's the type of person you can do both. I don't think businessmen can't or shouldn't be in politics. Just have to gain some idea of how the system is ran. Even if you want to break the system, you need to know how it works.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Trump is failing miserably and all mental midgets like lustyturd can do is deny and lie.. just like their hero Trump!

It can't be easy having to constantly make shit up. But Bravo for trying.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by centexguy

Anyone who thinks Obama was against the rich and was helping the middle class needs to stop with the hallucinations and try to get a more balanced view of things.

So, Obama was for the rich and Trump is for the poor and middle class? LMFAO

Let's just forget about the fact that Obama tried, in vain due to Republican congress, to get the filthy rich to pay more so that the lower and middle class could do better. Or that Obamacare had rich people paying a good share of the cost, and how Trump and Republicans tried to strip that and give money back to the rich. Let's just conveniently forget that, right?

And, oh please explain how the Republicans congress has helped address income inequality during the Obama years? Please do! I can't wait to here this!

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Yes, it takes skills such as diplomacy and budgeting to run government. Trump may not be the best example, but what makes you think those skills are not acquired in business?

LOL, yeah Trump is not the best example, But he is an example. An example of what NOT to do. Failing miserably. And he is under FBI investigation for colliding with the Russians.

Wow, it can't be easy trying to defend this guy. But it's fun to watch you try

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Yeah, I guess Trump needs to stop believing "fake news" publications like the New York Times:

lustyturd is too mentally challenged to understand the difference between legal wiretapping and the lies Trump tried and failed to sell.

The Justice Department, FBI, and Republican leaders in Congress all basically said Trump is full of shit. And lustyturd didn't get the memo! LMAO


There quite well may be some legal wiretaps of Trump. This would all make sense since Trump is under FBI investigation!

[Cap'n Crunch]

I am so enjoying this! Every time lustyturd posts, he says something else that makes him like like a clueless simpleton! This is awesome!

[lustylad]

Awesome indeed! Great fun watching crunchyass melt down hysterically! Five posts in a row! The number and frequency of posts by this dipshidiot is directly correlated to the extent to which he is losing the argument.

How about another how-to post telling us how going bankrupt is the surest road to riches?

Did you figure out the difference between debt and equity yet, you phony deflecting hack?

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

lustyturd is too mentally challenged to understand the difference between legal wiretapping and the lies Trump tried and failed to sell.

The Justice Department, FBI, and Republican leaders in Congress all basically said Trump is full of shit. And lustyturd didn't get the memo! LMAO


There quite well may be some legal wiretaps of Trump. This would all make sense since Trump is under FBI investigation!

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

I am so enjoying this! Every time lustyturd posts, he says something else that makes him like like a clueless simpleton! This is awesome!

Oh lustyturd, Facts are your worst enemy and I spank you every time. LOL. EVERYONE spanks you and hands you your ass.

It's become the fun game here: Who is going to make lustyturd look like an ignorant simpleton next? HEE HEE. We all win at your expense!

By the way, Trump is under FBI investigation!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

Oh lustyturd, Facts are your worst enemy and I spank you every time. LOL. EVERYONE spanks you and hands you your ass.

It's become the fun game here: Who is going to make lustyturd look like an ignorant simpleton next? HEE HEE. We all win at your expense!

That reminds me... I omitted something from my last post... the number and frequency of times crunchydick pats himself on the back, uses puerile exclamations like HEE HEE, brags in boldface about handing someone their ass, and "likes" his own posts are similarly correlated with the degree to which he is losing an argument.

Poor schmuck wears his insecurities on his sleeve.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by lustylad

You do have a transcript, right? The one that came from Obama's wiretap of the Trump campaign?

Ooopsie! Did I just spill the beans? Did I just say Obama wiretapped the political opposition's campaign headquarters?

Oh, fuck! Silly me. Isn't that how Watergate started? We're not supposed to do those things, are we? I mean, wiretapping and surveillance of your opponent's campaign? Who would stoop so low? As an ex-President used to say "That's not who we are!"

Tsk, tsk, tsk... oh well, at least now we're looking at a REAL scandal!

LOL!!! the turd, yes, lustyturd was crowing about an imaginary scandal, disproved by The Justice Department and the FBI. Republican leaders in Congress couldn't distance themselves from it fast enough. Yet lustyturd runs to it like a clueless insect flying into a light!

Oh, there is nothing fake about the FACT that Donald Trump is being investigated by the FBI.

lustyturd gets his ass handed to him yet again!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

LOL!!! the turd, yes, lustyturd was crowing about an imaginary scandal, disproved by The Justice Department and the FBI...

Crustyass believes the New York Times puts "imaginary" stories on its front page!

And he swallows and spins the false, desperate libtard yarn that this VERY REAL SCANDAL is already "disproved" lol...

Here's what a former Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee has to say about that:


"FBI Director James Comey... said there was no basis to support the tweet from President Trump that his 'wires' had been tapped by Barack Obama. What he didn’t say - and wasn’t asked - was whether information was collected on Trump staff by other means. Mr. Trump was a little inarticulate in the context of Twitter’s 140-character limit, but it seems he got the general picture right.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/did-oba...nce-1490309760


We don't know what we don't know yet, crustydick.

And if you don't think it's a huge scandal for a sitting administration to conduct surveillance on the political opposition's campaign, then maybe Trump will feel free to roll out YOUR playbook during the 2018 and 2020 election campaigns. Remember - what goes around comes around! A lesson dimotards like you never learn!

[Cap'n Crunch]

LOL Keep trying, lustyturd. The more you write about this, the more ignorant and clueless you expose yourself to be. Its fun to watch!