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MarkHobby · 12-29-2016, 02:01 PM

Chung Tran you are right....until the officer grabs the daughter to remove her. That's when hell broke loose. Have you watched it real closely yet? Everyone keeps saying how the officer smarted off; how about all the stuff they were saying. How about the guy that pulled up about to attack the guy? Seems to me everyone has jumped to a bunch of conclusions based on a 5 minute EDITED video of a 30 minute minute video.

And I never said the daughter was blocking an attack. I was simply looking at it from the officer's point of view. I was merely saying what if because who knows what he thought when that girl came out of nowhere when her mom was getting upset. So quit twisting my words. You just seem more close minded and intent on seeing things one way that I originally thought possible

MarkHobby · 12-29-2016, 02:44 PM

Nm

Chung Tran · 12-29-2016, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkHobby

Have you watched it real closely yet? Everyone keeps saying how the officer smarted off; how about all the stuff they were saying. How about the guy that pulled up about to attack the guy? I was merely saying what if because who knows what he thought when that girl came out of nowhere when her mom was getting upset. So quit twisting my words.

I have watched it very closely.. I know the ladies (the videographer, in particular) used some choice language, but it is not equivalent.. they are everyday citizens, they don't represent the community and get paid to keep order like the rouge Cop does.. the 15 year old girl did not come out of no where! she was within feet of the Cop and Mom the entire time.. and fuck what the Cop may have thought, he is trained to react properly.. she was doing the Cop a favor by trying to calm Mom down, in the face of nasty remarks from the Cop.. Motherfucker tossed her aside, moments later pointing his taser at the 15 year old girl who lay in the street.. God Damn.

grean · 12-29-2016, 11:01 PM

The other people actions do not excuse the police officer's behavior. I am not sure what was in his mind. However, you don't need any special police training to know that was the wrong way to handle that situation.

No training is needed to realize the woman's anger, whether or not was justified or not, was real and he as a trained officer should have known better than to criticize her parenting let alone question her about another's right to put their hands on her son.

That is to say that there are certain expectations for a person who has a badge and is trained to handle those situations. He is expected to handle it much much better. His judgment is certainly poor if he thought that was the best way to handle that. Any rookie cop with half a brain could have de-escalated that situation with ease. He has no business having the authority that comes with that badge. He sure as he'll doesn't need a gun or a taser.

Scribe · 12-30-2016, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by grean

The other people actions do not excuse the police officer's behavior. I am not sure what was in his mind. However, you don't need any special police training to know that was the wrong way to handle that situation.

No training is needed to realize the woman's anger, whether or not was justified or not, was real and he as a trained officer should have known better than to criticize her parenting let alone question her about another's right to put their hands on her son.

That is to say that there are certain expectations for a person who has a badge and is trained to handle those situations. He is expected to handle it much much better. His judgment is certainly poor if he thought that was the best way to handle that. Any rookie cop with half a brain could have de-escalated that situation with ease. He has no business having the authority that comes with that badge. He sure as he'll doesn't need a gun or a taser.

Other people actions do not excuse the police officers behavior. (Correct - as I said "Two wrongs don't make a right").

But, did you see the incident LAST NIGHT - can't wait to see the outrage! (lol)
Yet another example of "white cop / black civilian" interaction...

https://www.facebook.com/raiza.pared...ype=2&theater\

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0eb586487daf5

Now - lets say - instead of the mother being responsible, calm and civil in her language... it started with 5 minutes of them saying "F this, F that - and when the police show up the mom, in outrage screaming at the officer - then the officer asking "why don't you teach your kid that smoking pot is against the law?" followed by a tirade from the mother about "not telling her how to raise her kids and '(you) can't help what your kids do out of your site!!'"

I know this isn't exactly the same - but again, not half a dozen people screaming foul language in the cops ear, or physically getting between the cop and the subject.

You DO have a duty to be civil - the duty is to yourself, humanity and your fellow man (regardless of any advantage you have over them because they are "obligated" and you are "not")

And here's as racial as I'm going to get - indentured servitude was going on in many countries for years. Had it not been for the atrocities committed by slave owners on people taken advantage of because of the situation - it might have been the best thing that happened to bring blacks to the new world.

Understand - at the time the slave owners were not "obligated" to treat people well... but a rare few saw beyond "what they are obligated to do by law" and did "what they are obligated to do by moral conscience, mankind, and humanity".

So when you see people saying "F the cops, F those MF police, F this, F that, I can say whatever I F'in want..." blah, blah, blah... It creates the wrong message to everyone. It creates the opportunity for others other people (not involved) to say "They are showing zero respect... they want everything 100%, but are adding nothing positive to the gestalt".

You can try to change others (pointless efforts in futility because there's a BILLION others); or you can be a light and an example.

Civilian / cop / anyone - do unto others.

Final thought: "Why wasn't the 7 year old there?" All the other kids were, daughters, friends, heck people were even driving over to participate... so why no kid? Here's (also) how it might have gone down if the kid was there...

Mother to seven year old before as soon as the cop starts to speak...

(Mom) "Did you throw some trash in that man's yard?"

(kid) "Yeah, but F that MF white piece of SHt. He don't know F! He hasn't got no right to tell me to pick SHt up! WHo is he the F'in trash-man?" (PS: sorry, I'm assuming the child is a product of his environment here for the language I'm guessing at - the 7 year old could be a well spoken, literate child of mild disposition who never utters a foul word... I actually have no data to go on but the entire video as shown)

(Mom) WHAP! upside the head. "Apologize!"

(Kid) "I'm sorry"

(Mom) "I'm sorry officer (politely) Now that's over with - I want to press charges for A/B!"

officer arrests neighbor - alternate ending.

dallasfan · 12-30-2016, 10:30 AM

The mom should not have brought the girls to this scene. She should have sent them home. They are not mature enough to deal with this situation.

Two things I found funny about this incident:
1) the guy really wanted to finish his fence and no one was going to get in his way...lol. That is one calm motherfucker.
2) the quote of the day is by the 15 yo girl when asked by the cop to get in the car. "I''m 15 yo I don't know how to get in a car."

Scribe · 12-30-2016, 10:33 AM

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2) the quote of the day is by the 15 yo girl when asked by the cop to get in the car. "I''m 15 yo I don't know how to get in a car."

...agreed, I had to laugh at that too.

Chung Tran · 12-30-2016, 10:33 AM

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How about the guy that pulled up about to attack the guy?

what about him? my take is he is the Uncle or other relative who was called and told about the incident, and was raving mad, wanting to whoops the white guy.. as the video shows, the Mom stopped him.. that tells me, one: the guy relative believed strongly in the story he was told, and two: the Mom is a rational woman, who did not want violence, rather let the Cop handle it.. before she got manhandled by said Cop.

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Understand - at the time the slave owners were not "obligated" to treat people well... but a rare few saw beyond "what they are obligated to do by law" and did "what they are obligated to do by moral conscience, mankind, and humanity".

Scribe, you are off on a tangent.. did you just describe how some Slave Owners were "nice", and therefore had House Negroes instead of all Field Negroes? that's what it looks like.. further, the fact that you even brought up slavery in connection with this Fort Worth incident, suggests that you feel it is akin to a black-white-slave situation, where the Master (Cop) had to control his subjects (the black ladies).. and you keep inventing scenarios of what might have happened.. we know the video is damning to the Police Department, that is the focus.

you are making too much of the language.. only one lady, the videographer, cursed significantly.. you seem to relate black, loud, and vulgar, to fear and criminality.. I think the last point is the real issue for those who side with the Cop.. they see the women as bad people, therefore the white man's actions were proper, in trying to control the 7 year-old hoodlum, and the Cop needed to beat down the vulgar black women to restore order.

Chung Tran · 12-30-2016, 10:35 AM

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2) the quote of the day is by the 15 yo girl when asked by the cop to get in the car. "I''m 15 yo I don't know how to get in a car."

that was funny.. but it underscored how measured the ladies were, filming the Cop, in preparation for blowing him up later on Facebook.. the Cop didn't deny kicking her, which makes him look worse yet again.

dallasfan · 12-30-2016, 05:31 PM

The mother was obviously going after the cop or at least her daughter thought she was since she held her back. She might not have been but that has to be what the cop was thinking since her daughter got in the middle of it to hold her back. Again if her daughters were not there it might have been more civil and they might have worked this out. That is why she should have sent them home.

grean · 12-30-2016, 06:05 PM

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The mother was obviously going after the cop or at least her daughter thought she was since she held her back. She might not have been but that has to be what the cop was thinking since her daughter got in the middle of it to hold her back. Again if her daughters were not there it might have been more civil and they might have worked this out. That is why she should have sent them home.

I'm a broken record, sorry.

It makes no difference who was there and how they were acting. The police officer did absolutely nothing to try to de-escalate the problem.

He did the exact opposite. Instead of asking "why not teach your son not to litter?", ask, "Is your son okay?"

Holy Fat Hooker Batman! Wow, how hard could that have been?

Just like that he would have showed that he was concerned about her son's well being. I can almost guarantee that would have begun to ease tensions.

Instead of , "why doesn't he have the right to" , "I understand why you are upset"

Last but not least, how about he ask if they could walk back to their house to see her son and talk JUST to separate the two parties. When the object of her anger no longer in front of her, she would automatically start to calm down. Okay he might need some training to know that separating parties is really smart when tensions are high. But I'm pretty sure they cover that at the police academy.....

Being a human is pretty goddamn easy as long as you just don't go out of your way to be a piece of shit.

Lucas McCain · 12-30-2016, 06:13 PM

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2) the quote of the day is by the 15 yo girl when asked by the cop to get in the car. "I''m 15 yo I don't know how to get in a car."

In the kid's defense, I don't know how to get in a car with my hands handcuffed behind my back either. I hope I never learn how to do so.

Scribe · 12-30-2016, 06:57 PM

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Scribe, you are off on a tangent.. did you just describe how some Slave Owners were "nice", and therefore had House Negroes instead of all Field Negroes? that's what it looks like.. further, the fact that you even brought up slavery in connection with this Fort Worth incident, suggests that you feel it is akin to a black-white-slave situation, where the Master (Cop) had to control his subjects (the black ladies).. and you keep inventing scenarios of what might have happened.. we know the video is damning to the Police Department, that is the focus.

you are making too much of the language.. only one lady, the videographer, cursed significantly.. you seem to relate black, loud, and vulgar, to fear and criminality.. I think the last point is the real issue for those who side with the Cop.. they see the women as bad people, therefore the white man's actions were proper, in trying to control the 7 year-old hoodlum, and the Cop needed to beat down the vulgar black women to restore order.

No, I could point out that slavery existed long before American blacks were involved. That MANY cultures took slaves. I could point out that moors took white slaves long before it was in America. And stating, in the world, while slavery existed, every slave wasn't treated as badly as people think when they hear about servitude.

And I'm not making "too much of the language" CT, you're making too little of it (just because its not pointed at you).

You will never convince someone - even if its their job - even if its the LAW - to allow others to be mean, rude, and treat them like SHt, and take it without some (even subliminal) return animosity (EVEN for a paycheck) You're trying to battle human nature by legislation... that's pretty far RIGHT WING, people won't stand for it. You'll just keep suing cops until nobody in their right mind will take the job.

At that point you think it will be a "better world"?

Now - what are you going to say about the Arlington cop, and how that was handled?

Scribe · 12-30-2016, 07:12 PM

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I'm a broken record, sorry.

It makes no difference who was there and how they were acting. The police officer did absolutely nothing to try to de-escalate the problem.

grean - I think you're under the misconception that some things can be de-escalated. What makes you feel (if the daughter, who knew her own mother) knew it wasn't going to de-escalate... that an outside, white cop, had ANY chance of de-escalating the situation?

You ever been with a "mean drunk"? Someone who is hell-freakin-bent on getting into a bar fight or trouble? Have you NEVER walked away from something saying "I'm outta here" because you saw "it was going south in a hurry"?

Well, as you all like to point things out about the police, lets point this out... they don't have that luxury either/ A civilian (neighbor, lets say) trying to clear up the feud between two other neighbors could be a freakin therapist... but when they see it getting out of control they can always say "see ya!' and walk away... cops can't.

If they could you'd hear SCREAMS from the public.
"He he he he just WALKED AWAY! He can't DO THAT?!?"

So because they are obligated to serve us, its ok we treat them like SHt just because we can without recourse, grean?

(That was my point CT - slavery wasn't right "just because you could" (at the time))

Chung Tran · 12-30-2016, 10:11 PM

Scribe, your "mean drunk" analogy falls back on you.. the mean drunk is the Cop.. we see him standing in a cocksure position at the start, I can see right away he is looking for a fight.. then he gets snarky, asking why she doesn't teach her son not to litter.. Mom could not walk away from that mean drunk.. to her credit, she hung in and explained herself well, she raised her voice a little.. that's it.

Grean's points were spot on.. the Cop could have EASILY de-escalated things.. he didn't want to.. he was looking for a fight.. even as the young daughter tried to calm the situation.. the Cop couldn't stand that young girl acting reasonable, so he shoved her aside to arrest Mom, who was barely moving, barely could move.. you keep saying what the Cop might have thought, but the video shows us clearly he was out of control. and the cursing began after the Cop went berserk, so don't tell me he was baited into over-reacting.

I don't know the Arlington situation you mention??