Can Trump Still Win?

[nuglet]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Hillary Clinton won't lose this election.

Trump won't win.

True probably, unfortunately the only losers in this election are US, the lambs that let them get this far. damnit damnit damnit damnit .................

[pussycat]

Mr. Speedracer man:

Of course there is innocent until proven guilty in a court. However we don't rely on courts for our knowledge in these matters. In these affairs we rely on investigative reporters. It's reporters and investigators who have exposed Huma. Just read about who her mother is, and her brother, and the foundation they work for, and who funded it and what their purposes are. Look it up. Huma was borne in the U.S., where her family lived, but then they decided to pick up and go back to Saudi Arabia and embraced radical Salifist Wahabism. Then after Huma was almost an adult she put aside her veil and stepped out from the bedroom or closet where she was locked in their home because she was a female, and suddenly shows up in America without her veil, and then when she's nineteen becomes an aid to Hilary Clinton...at nineteen. She's been her shadow ever since.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

This is for veedub63 and pussycat to show how easy it is to throw out baseless charges:

1. Donald Trump raped a 13-year old girl in 1994. From a story released just 6 hours ago:

"Jane Doe accuses Trump of raping her during the summer of 1994 when she was 13, allegedly in the home of Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted pedophile also named in the lawsuit.


She also claims that: “Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed.”"


Source: http://people.com/politics/donald-tr...user-raped-13/


2. At least 10 women have come forward accusing Donald Trump of sexual harassment and assault. He is also accused of walking into the women's dressing room at beauty pageants.
Now I can discount 1 or 2 women coming out and accusing Trump of sexual misconduct, but 10 or more???

Source: http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/all-...l-assault.html

3. Why won't Donald Trump release his income tax returns? What is he hiding? Maybe he gives almost nothing to charities despite his self-acclaimed great wealth?

Source: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/...-tax-mysteries

"Why won’t Donald Trump release his taxes? An investigation into the G.O.P. candidate’s finances—the extensive deductions he could claim, the F.E.C. filings from his Scottish and Irish golf resorts, and his declarations to the British government—reveals a disturbing pattern of mistakes, hype, and contradictions."

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...b45_story.html

"Trump’s personal taxes are a mystery. He has refused to release any recent returns, meaning the public cannot see how much money he makes, how much he gives to charity and how aggressively he uses deductions, shelters and other tactics to shrink his tax bill."

4. Does Donald Trump have real ties to Russia or other countries that would compromise his role as POTUS?

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clint...ry?id=42090706

I'm sure I could think of other Trump scandals if I wanted to take the time but hopefully you get the point I'm making. It is so easy to accuse someone of having done something. As of this minute, there is absolutely no proof that any of these allegations are true. Just like Clinton and Abedin, Trump is innocent of all charges until proof comes out that proves otherwise.

I'm sorry but you've lost all credibility with me. The rape accusation you cite from "People Magazine" has not been reported by credible media sources because there is no evidence for a criminal prosecution because no credible evidence exists. What you refer to is a civil filing.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by helenasweets

Probe began by book written by republican strategist and, I believe, alt right briebart editor. Almost enough said. Found nothing. Then hearsay from a conversation with someone who has no real connection to the foundation. the justice department didn't and doesn't want to prosecute because they don't have any case. Nonsense as usual.

"Several law enforcement sources told the Times this week that the New York agents’ case was mostly based on allegations in the book Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich by Peter Schweizer, senior editor-at-large for Breitbart News. The book was turned into a film by former Breitbart chairman and current Trump campaign CEO Steve Bannon. "

So much for the fbi ignoring inneudo as the book appears, not suprisingly, to be almost nothing but innuendo and makes some glaring and inexcusable mistakes.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...y-scandal-book.

It's the justice department's decision to make in regards to whether a case warrants a criminal case. Just because they decide not to doesn't mean they are corrupt. Just because you don't get the answer you want, doesn't mean everybody and their fucking brother is in one big giant conspiracy. In fact, the pressure put on both the fbi and the justice department to find SOME criminal charge against hillary clinton at whatever cost or risk their reputation is the thing that is corrupting.

I'm sorry, but just because investigators and justice dept prosecution disagreed over the merits of a particular investigation does not give fbi agents a right to leak information, especially so close to an election. It's just more innuendo because they can't release what the information actually is. I mean, clearly an indictment is not likely if the prosecuting attorneys don't think there is enough of a case. The fbi needs to get its shit together.

You're information is incorrect. The FBI investigation of the Clinton Foundation is on-going. FBI employees are leaking because they are motivated to do so. If you don't agree with that take it up with them. Career employees are outraged because they've seen not only because Jessica Lynch stopped them from investigating, but because there's evidence of child rape and even Satanism and other bizarre events in the emails.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by pussycat

Mr. Speedracer man:

Of course there is innocent until proven guilty in a court. However we don't rely on courts for our knowledge in these matters. In these affairs we rely on investigative reporters. It's reporters and investigators who have exposed Huma. Just read about who her mother is, and her brother, and the foundation they work for, and who funded it and what their purposes are. Look it up. Huma was borne in the U.S., where her family lived, but then they decided to pick up and go back to Saudi Arabia and embraced radical Salifist Wahabism. Then after Huma was almost an adult she put aside her veil and stepped out from the bedroom or closet where she was locked in their home because she was a female, and suddenly shows up in America without her veil, and then when she's nineteen becomes an aid to Hilary Clinton...at nineteen. She's been her shadow ever since.

Who one works for and one's relatives are and where someone lived at one point in time, etc. do not mean that a person is guilty of anything. Have you ever read or heard of "Six Degrees of Separation"? This is so similar, Huma was born in the U.S. She is of Indian and Pakistani descent. Moved to Saudi Arabia at age 2 and attended a BRITISH girl's school. Returned to the U.S. at about 18 to attend college. Both parents attained a PhDs from the U. of Pennsylvania. Huma was listed as an Associate Editor for The Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs from 1996-2008.This institute has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION TO ANY RADICAL ORGANIZATION!!!! So the whole time she was working for the institute she did so from the U.S. While in college she became an intern at the White House.

The information I have provided can be easily found on the web. I would love to read a link from a reputable source that supports your idiotic statements. Here is a report by The Washington Post on the possibility of Abedin being connected to any terrorist group. In it you will find that the author also refers to this witch hunt as "a case of six degrees of separation": The final opinion is:

"Indeed, the connections are so tenuous as to be obscure. Harvard’s Asani said the alleged connections to the Muslim Brotherhood are “crazy” when you consider the stated purpose of the journal. “The Muslim Brotherhood was the last organization interested in this issue” of the rights of minority Muslims, he said. “Syed Abedin was far from the Muslim Brotherhood. It makes absolutely no sense.”"

The allegations that Huma Abedin has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood was give 4 "pinocchios", meaning it is total fabrication.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...m-brotherhood/

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by pussycat

I'm sorry but you've lost all credibility with me. The rape accusation you cite from "People Magazine" has not been reported by credible media sources because there is no evidence for a criminal prosecution because no credible evidence exists. What you refer to is a civil filing.

Excuse me? I've lost credibility??? You've got to be kidding with the crap you've been coming up with. If you don't like the source I cited on the alleged rape there are many more below.

But you have TOTALLY missed my point in the post which is there are baseless attacks on Trump just as there are on Clinton and Abedin. I made that ultra clear. It is so easy to say the Clinton Foundation is corrupt or Abedin has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood or Trump raped a 13-year old. At least I've cited websites that explain where the claims are coming from. You've given us zip, nada, nothing, rien, squat.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-rape-lawsuit

http://www.inquisitr.com/3676038/don...to-know-video/

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-year-old-girl

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/brea...-to-speak-out/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2828413

[helenasweets]

Originally Posted by pussycat

You're information is incorrect. The FBI investigation of the Clinton Foundation is on-going. FBI employees are leaking because they are motivated to do so. If you don't agree with that take it up with them. Career employees are outraged because they've seen not only because Jessica Lynch stopped them from investigating, but because there's evidence of child rape and even Satanism and other bizarre events in the emails.

Satanism. Oh my god. Satanism. So, its come to that. Thought those irrational fears died in the eighties with the death of LPs. Good lord.

[helenasweets]

I do admit, not my most well-argued post. I was in a big hurry this morning. However, I do have to take umbrage with the assessment that my rant was "asinine"; my rants are of the highest quality, I assure you. My rants are the best; nobody makes better rants than me. My rants are winners. If you listen to my rants, there's gonna be so much winning. You won't even believe how much winning; you're gonna get tired of winning. . I entertain myself.

The allegations against the clinton foundation is pay for play. The NRA is arguably the largest lobbyist group around. What exactly do you think they engage in?

But, the real gist of what I was saying was is that its not Trumps vulgarity that is the issue with most voters. There are plenty of other reasons to dislike Trump. Since you missed it, my reasons, in quick succession.

Do you honestly thing that trumps vulgarity is the reason that people like myself will not vote for him? Are you serious? He is a crook. He regularly stiffs people and then forces them to engage in expensive lawsuits to get their money. Do you think that mindset has changed? He's somehow become the hero of this story? He's been involved in COUNTLESS lawuits over the years. He abuses the judicial system because he has the money to do so. His best friend is Roger Ailes. He's a terrible businessman. He was NOT a sucess as developer. He blatantly lied to the atlantic city gaming commission and his investors when he said he could get low loans to finance his casinos there. He couldn't because most fucking banks in New York don't trust the motherfucker. He said he would not use junk bonds. He did. The casinos were overleveraged from the get go (which appears to be his MO). Everyone tried to tell him, but he wouldn't listen. Left investors hanging in the wind. Again. The only reason that dude was not completely broken was that those that had invested decided they could get more money out of him using his name than forcing him to give up everything. All those buildings with his name on it, not his. Trump is not a manager (from what I've read, anyone who has worked with him will tell you that). He's a promoter. He makes money by selling his name like a Kardashian. If not for The Apprentice, he would have been gone from the stage a long time ago. He has been sued by the federal government twice for not allowing black people to rent in his building. He's already sold a pack of magic beans with this wall. He's selling you another with his tax plan. Basically, I just don't think he's smart. He has no integrity, whenever he doesn't win it's always because of someone or something else. He doesn't mind throwing around lies and consipiracy theories, but throws a tantrum and tries to sue when someone casts aspirsions towards him. And, he doesn't appear to be very smart. Just listen to him speak. "I have good words. I have the best words." People who actually have the best words don't say that. They just use their good words.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Princeton Scientist: "Clinton has 'Greater than 99% chance of winning"
True, this is a higher % than many are saying; however...

pussycat vs Princeton Scientist....

Bahahahahaha

See you Wednesday morning!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

Princeton Scientist: "Clinton has 'Greater than 99% chance of winning"
True, this is a higher % than many are saying; however...

pussycat vs Princeton Scientist....

Bahahahahaha

See you Wednesday morning!

HelenaSweets -- very well written post.

Cap'n Crunnch -- the estimates I have seen on Clinton's probability of winning range from 66% to 80%.

We'll know in about 3 1/2 days whether the polls and winning estimates are right.

[Yssup Rider]

The media giveth and the people taketh away.

I think we'll see a mandate for HRC on Tuesday.

The Trump phenomenon will be exposed for the hype it ever was.

[helenasweets]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

The media giveth and the people taketh away.

I think we'll see a mandate for HRC on Tuesday.

The Trump phenomenon will be exposed for the hype it ever was.

I hope so. Such a stressful election.

[SecretE]

There is a difference between "nothing found" and "not willing to press charges". There has been tons of incriminating stuff found on HRC and her cronies. However, the Dems have more loyalty to their party than to America.

[nuglet]

and who really cares about all the propaganda? GO VOTE AND QUIT BITCHIN' LOL It'll all come out in the wash... See ya Wed Morning, THAT's when the questions will be answered.

I seriously doubt ANYONES' opinion has been changed during this 268 note exchange.

[helenasweets]

[QUOTE=SecretE;1058832475]There is a difference between "nothing found" and "not willing to press charges". There has been tons of incriminating stuff found on HRC and her cronies. However, the Dems have more loyalty to their party than to America.[/QUOTE

How the fuck do YOU know? Are you a part of these investigations? there is also not willing to press charges because there is not enough found to make a case, which is apparently what the doj has found. And there are also people like you who have convinced themselves of her criminality and the criminality of any investigation that says otherwise. Is that not the same corruption you are accusing others of?