Trump's ISIS reference to Obama and Hillary very disturbing

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

he was using hyperbole and being sarcastic, why is that so interesting to you?

its not becoming and reflects poorly on you for you to continue to swallow whole the false and feigned umbrage of the dim news media.

the media who jump at any opportunity to denigrate trump.

they express shock and push the idiocy that he was being literal when he says Obama and Hellary founded isis over and over on their "news" programs

do you actually think trump thought Obama met with the killers of isis to form the group?

you have two choices , 1. that trump thought Obama and hellary were the incorporators and founders of isis and organized people into that group, or 2. that he meant their polices set the stage for its formation and growth

to actually believe 1. is idiotic, to not really believe it but further it is partisan politics and supposedly everything is allowed in politics. its just so depressing the news media is that corrupt

perhaps you just want to join in the attacks in support of hellary? that's possible, but then that shows no good will or coherent argument

was hellary being literal when she said trump was isis' number one recruiter?

why didn't the dim news media spend a week making fun of hellary for that statement?

because they knew it was hyperbole and they support her anyway

trumps statement has some validity in that Obama's polices were formative, hellary's has no validity

hellary's claim about trump was spin based on illogic but who cares the people are stupid, we just need to keep repeating it, likewise this claim

I heard and read Trump's comments.

"In fact, in many respects, you know they honor president Obama. ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He's the founder of ISIS, OK? He's the founder. He founded ISIS."

He was later interviewed by a CONSERVATIVE interviewer who gave Trump every opportunity to revise his statements and all Trump did was reiterate what he had said. He could have backed off and revised his statements to exactly what you said

"that trump thought Obama and hellary were the incorporators and founders of isis and organized people into that group, or 2. that he meant their polices set the stage for its formation and growth"

Be honest. I'm sure there are multiple ways to interpret this statement but most people will interpret it the same way -- Obama (and Clinton) are behind ISIS becoming a power. There would be no ISIS without him. I did not believe it, but it was stated in black and white.

Let's look at the Presidential races of 2008 and 2012. I am probably getting senile but I don't remember attacks by the media on McCain and Romney anywhere approaching this level. Trump simply continues to make controversial statements. He admits he is different and he certainly is. Sometimes it helps him and sometimes it hurts him.

Regarding Clinton's statement that Trump was the #1 recruiter for ISIS. I posted before that Politifact labeled the statement "Pants of Fire" and she, too, was blasted in the media for her statement.

[I B Hankering]

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Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I find it interesting that Trump himself has backed away from his statement by saying he was being sarcastic.

Once again, please try to understand, NO ONE has said the name ISIS began prior to 2014. I have presented articles from several websites that support the opinion that the foundation of ISIS started way back in 2006.

Unless you can supply me with something other than your OPINION on the subject, I am through discussing the issue with you.

Islamic State stands with al-Qaeda as one of the most dangerous jihadist groups, after its gains in Syria and Iraq.

Under its former name Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis), it was formed in April 2013, growing out of al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI).

It has since been disavowed by al-Qaeda, but has become one of the main jihadist groups fighting government forces in Syria and Iraq. (BBC)

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Basically Trump is a loose cannon, who says anything that comes to mind with no regard of the consequences.

That's an apt description of YOU lying liberals EKIM !!!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Once again, please try to understand, NO ONE has said the name ISIS began prior to 2014. I have presented articles from several websites that support the opinion that the foundation of ISIS started way back in 2006.

Hey Speedy, even though you are trying to walk it back, your links don't refer to "the foundation of ISIS" - they say ISIS itself started in 2006. They are wrong.

I assume you read this forum regularly. I hate beating a dead horse. I already argued this nonsense twice in the past 9 months - first with wombhater in this thread:


"Senator Feinstein......'We either fight ISIS now, or fight them later' "

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1548037


... and then all over again with dickmuncher in this thread:

"A tough call for the left; radical Islam versus gay rights"

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1744078


I am dismayed to see one of your links even relies on Ben Swann as an authority on ISIS. He is the same "expert" cited by woomby in the above thread. That guy is so confused he thinks the Syrian civil war started in 2009.

When you start backing off from your original claim by saying "the foundation of ISIS" started way back in 2006, your whole argument falls apart. You could just as easily trace it back to any jihadist. If having a jihadist thought makes you the intellectual progenitor of ISIS, then why not go all the back to Mohammed? Oh wait, that's about 13 centuries too far, isn't it? You need a date that falls squarely within GWB's Presidency, right?

Look, IB was also incorrect to suggest ISIS didn't crop up until 2014. His last post, with a BBC link, says 2013. I'll be even more generous and say it may have been created as early as 2011. But you won't find any references to "ISIS" or "ISIL" or "Islamic State" prior to then.

Al Queda in Iraq (AQI) was not ISIS. AQI was destroyed by US forces and its remnants ejected by Sunnis from Anbar Province during the 2007-08 Arab Awakening, thanks to GWB's successful "surge" strategy - which Odumbo and hildebeest both opposed at the time because they were too busy running for President and they preferred (then as now) to play politics with national security rather than protect the homeland or support our troops.

Here's the bottom line - ISIS was able to gain traction due to the confluence of two game-changing events in 2011: 1) the Arab Spring in Syria and 2) Odumbo's total and premature US troop withdrawal from Iraq. That's what opened the door for the cockroaches to multiply. Don't make me recite all this recent history again. This is the third time in 9 months I have flushed the same turd down the toilet. It's about time we concentrated on killing the cockroaches, instead of shifting the blame for who let them multiply in the first place.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Hey Speedy, .... You need a date that falls squarely within GWB's Presidency, right?

Uuuuhhhhhh.... YES!

Unless, of course, one wants to blame 911 on GWB!

Or identify "Clarksville" ... then HISTORY doesn't mean shit!! According to Speedo!

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

I will be so happy Nov 6th when Trump is sent packing and we are done with his ignorant rhetoric. It was very disgusting and a politically bad move to call Barry the founder of ISIS and Hillary the co-founder. ISIS is the most inhumane and disgusting organization on the face of the earth and to associate any member of our govt regardless of political party is awful.
ISIS is responsible for many crimes against humanity and if you want to be politically correct if anyone is responsible for its creation it's certainly the Bush administration but I have never seen a liberal directly say George Bush is the founder as if he held some membership drive. Trump is a disgrace to America.

You should go back and review what I wrote last year and as recently as two months ago. Obama and Hillary are the godparents of ISIS as Jimmy Carter is the godparent of international terrorism and Bill Clinton is the godparent of 9/11. I laid out the case a long time ago. By they way, Charles Krauthamer agrees with me as does Rush Limbaugh and Rudy Guiliani. The fact is Lube Ass (you gotta love that) is that you are kind of the minority here.

Lets just do a short reason; your doctor examines you and says that you have a bad case of indigestion even though all signs point to a heart episode. You leave the office thinking that you're fine, you drop dead in the parking lot. Your family will sue the doctor for either negligience or malpractice and they will win. Your doctor sucked at his job and deserves to lose his licence. Obama did the same thing; negligience and/or malpractice by ignoring what all the experts were warning him of and he did it anyone. His idiot partner went along with it (or was it her idea?) and now tens of thousands have died, been sold into slavery, or have been tortured. Your butt buddy Barry is to blame and this has nothing to do with George W. Bush. You know, if Hillary does get elected then what excuse are you guys going to use for how bads things are now.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Obama did the same thing; negligience and/or malpractice by ignoring what all the experts were warning him of and he did it anyone. His idiot partner went along with it (or was it her idea?) ......

Actually, they were not "negligent" or "malfeasant" ... based on the current revelations regarding "cooking the books" on the intel, just like blaming Benghazi on a video, they INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENTED THE REALITY OF ISIS/ISIL to the U.S. public in order to avoid having to address the issue ...

.. using your example: The doctor KNEW it was a heart condition.

Unfortunately, the problem gets kicked down the road like their "healthcare" program failure ... keep putting it off until Obaminable gets out of office ... then it's someone else's problem.

He did that with the only "community project" he ever touched, which was used as his "experience" ... "community organizer"!!!

He "organized" the removal of contaminated insulation in low income multi-family housing in Chicago, and didn't "organize" the replacement of the insulation ..... (Chicago gets cold!!!!!)

[JD Barleycorn]

Isn't it odd that we expect openness and honesty from our butchers, our doctors, our engineers, and our barber's but not from our elected leaders. We also expect them to be, at the very least, competent.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

... our elected leaders. We also expect them to be, at the very least, competent.

"Being competent" is contrary to the purpose of "affirmative action"!

Labels are more important to the Liberals ..

"First Black President"!
"First Female President"!

Unless of course, it's a Black world-class brain surgeon!!!!
Or a female business woman.

[nevergaveitathought]

In 2014 Chris Mathews said dick Cheney created Isis

I think he also said w bush did too


The huff post claims the same thing

I remember the spittle splayed outrage Mathews displayed when Rush Limbaugh called obama's presidency the "Obama regime" until video of Mathews was played showing Mathews calling the bush presidency, the bush regime

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

In 2014 Chris Mathews said dick Cheney created Isis

I think he also said w bush did too


The huff post claims the same thing

Hopefully Trump will get elected so he can remodel the government from all the alleged misguided events of the Bush-Cheney team, which made fools of all the Liberal Democrats by outsmarting them and deceiving the Liberal Democrats into going along with their "great right-wing conspiracy" ... even HillaryNoMore!! Must really piss-off the Liberals.

Those two guys were geniuses!!!!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Hey Speedy, even though you are trying to walk it back, your links don't refer to "the foundation of ISIS" - they say ISIS itself started in 2006. They are wrong.

I assume you read this forum regularly. I hate beating a dead horse. I already argued this nonsense twice in the past 9 months - first with wombhater in this thread:


"Senator Feinstein......'We either fight ISIS now, or fight them later' "

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1548037


... and then all over again with dickmuncher in this thread:

"A tough call for the left; radical Islam versus gay rights"

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1744078


I am dismayed to see one of your links even relies on Ben Swann as an authority on ISIS. He is the same "expert" cited by woomby in the above thread. That guy is so confused he thinks the Syrian civil war started in 2009.

When you start backing off from your original claim by saying "the foundation of ISIS" started way back in 2006, your whole argument falls apart. You could just as easily trace it back to any jihadist. If having a jihadist thought makes you the intellectual progenitor of ISIS, then why not go all the back to Mohammed? Oh wait, that's about 13 centuries too far, isn't it? You need a date that falls squarely within GWB's Presidency, right?

Look, IB was also incorrect to suggest ISIS didn't crop up until 2014. His last post, with a BBC link, says 2013. I'll be even more generous and say it may have been created as early as 2011. But you won't find any references to "ISIS" or "ISIL" or "Islamic State" prior to then.

Al Queda in Iraq (AQI) was not ISIS. AQI was destroyed by US forces and its remnants ejected by Sunnis from Anbar Province during the 2007-08 Arab Awakening, thanks to GWB's successful "surge" strategy - which Odumbo and hildebeest both opposed at the time because they were too busy running for President and they preferred (then as now) to play politics with national security rather than protect the homeland or support our troops.

Here's the bottom line - ISIS was able to gain traction due to the confluence of two game-changing events in 2011: 1) the Arab Spring in Syria and 2) Odumbo's total and premature US troop withdrawal from Iraq. That's what opened the door for the cockroaches to multiply. Don't make me recite all this recent history again. This is the third time in 9 months I have flushed the same turd down the toilet. It's about time we concentrated on killing the cockroaches, instead of shifting the blame for who let them multiply in the first place.

No, I did not read the previous thread. In case you haven't noticed, I am not LexusLiar who comments on each and every thread. I read the title and if it sound interesting I click on it. If not, I pass it by. I spend a few minutes on this forum usually every day. That's it.

I tried to do due diligence in finding out what I could on the subject.
The first other opinion on the subject was Politifact which of course anyone who disagrees with their statements will denigrate.. Then I researched it further and found 3 websites that agreed and none that disagreed.

Here is the quoted from Politifact:

"ISIS has used several names since 2004, when long-time Sunni extremist Abu Mus‘ab al-Zarqawi established al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) and more recently the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), according to the National Counterterrorism Center."

This is fairly explicit. ISIS began in 2004 under a different name. You believe al qaeda was not part of the foundation of ISIS. Politifact does.

If you disagree with their statements, fight it out with them.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Hopefully Trump will get elected so he can remodel the government from all the alleged misguided events of the Bush-Cheney team, which made fools of all the Liberal Democrats by outsmarting them and deceiving the Liberal Democrats into going along with their "great right-wing conspiracy" ... even HillaryNoMore!! Must really piss-off the Liberals.

Those two guys were geniuses!!!!

Trump has as much chance of being elected POTUS as you have of being a compassionate human being.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

No, I did not read the previous thread. In case you haven't noticed, I am not LexusLiar who comments on each and every thread. I read the title and if it sound interesting I click on it. If not, I pass it by. I spend a few minutes on this forum usually every day. That's it.

I tried to do due diligence in finding out what I could on the subject.
The first other opinion on the subject was Politifact which of course anyone who disagrees with their statements will denigrate.. Then I researched it further and found 3 websites that agreed and none that disagreed.

Here is the quoted from Politifact:

"ISIS has used several names since 2004, when long-time Sunni extremist Abu Mus‘ab al-Zarqawi established al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) and more recently the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), according to the National Counterterrorism Center."

This is fairly explicit. ISIS began in 2004 under a different name. You believe al qaeda was not part of the foundation of ISIS. Politifact does.

If you disagree with their statements, fight it out with them.

You'd be the jackass ignoring other sources that say otherwise, speedy, and you'd be the jackass continuing to use a biased and wrong source to support your asinine POV, speedy. There was no "ISIS" in 2004, speedy, and you cannot find a contemporary 2004 source to support your asinine POV, speedy.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You'd be the jackass ignoring other sources that say otherwise, speedy, and you'd be the jackass continuing to use a biased and wrong source to support your asinine POV, speedy. There was no "ISIS" in 2004, speedy, and you cannot find a contemporary 2004 source to support your asinine POV, speedy.

Go tell Politifact that they are biased and incorrect. Get back to me when they respond to you and let me know what they said.