So brave, the left must be so proud of this

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-...064835751.html

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I actually saw this story a couple of days ago in another publication but I had the same reaction then as now....what does this have to do with the OP? This about thievery and not politically motivated vandalism. Think you would know better.

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Seeing you thought graffiti taggers had a political affiliation, maybe thieves had one.,

[JD Barleycorn]

I think Munchkin just told his that his testicles haven't dropped yet since he's playing T ball and all. Here is a normal problem with shallow and non thinkers, they take everything as a given. That is why they love the Internet as a source of information. They believe it all. If it says that someone is a right winger, they believe it even if the facts demonstrate otherwise. Just like when Hillary denies being a socialist or an Alinsky follower. The facts say otherwise. McVeigh started like so many scumbags as a pretty good kid but something went wrong. He became a followered of what he considered to be right wing politics and self identified as that. Problem is that a real right wing conservative believes in the Constitution, the rule of law, and free speech. McViegh lost his way when he broke the laws of the land, ignored what the Constitution said, and threatened people for exercising their free speech rights. Munchkin swallowed the bait and the hook thrown out by the press and the Clinton administration. Politics has always been considered circular with moderates at the bottom of the circle. Our modern libs believe that the NRA is a radical conservative group. McVeigh believed the NRA was too liberal so McVeigh went further around the circle into the radical left side. Why do I believe that? The facts demonstrate that. The radical left is made up of communists, anarchists, and wanna be terrorists. Anarchists like McVeigh believe in throwing (literally) bombs at innocent targets to force the government into changing policies (this is also the FBI definition of terrorism). Like Hitler before him, McVeigh went further than his self proclaimed politics would allow. So he went from the right to the left when he fashioned his bomb.
You see, conservatives don't believe in throwing bombs (the left does), conservatives don't believe in terrorism to solve problems (the left does), conservatives believe in standing up and facing government down (which the left doesn't). The press loves the idea that McViegh identified himself as a conservative but he had left the ranch a long time before he became a murderer.

So I say again, McVeigh (at the time of OKC) was a lefty whether he knew it or not.

[CuteOldGuy]

LittleLiberalEva wouldn't know better. He's an idiot. You know that, JD. You attacked liberals. He had to come up with something.

[Old-T]

JD, let me translate that for you:

"If anyone does something I don't like, they are a liberal".

That is absurd.

Most CONs do believe in the rule of law--but some do not. That doesn't make them liberals.

Most LIBs believe in the rule of law--but some do not. That doesn't make them conservatives.

So long as you believe all CONs are choir boys, progress is not possible.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I think Munchkin just told his that his testicles haven't dropped yet since he's playing T ball and all. Here is a normal problem with shallow and non thinkers, As opposed to liars and bullshit artists? You are the person you're warning us about. I love the internet because it blows bullshit like yours out of the water. I can check multiple credible sources.they take everything as a given. That is why they love the Internet as a source of information. They believe it all. If it says that someone is a right winger, they believe it even if the facts demonstrate otherwise. This is the typical bullshit of a braggart who expects everyone to believe him even though there is a 50 - 50 chance he's wrong. Without the labels you put on everyone you would be standing naked in a parking lot by yourself. Without them you are just you. Just like when Hillary denies being a socialist or an Alinsky follower. The facts say otherwise. McVeigh started like so many scumbags as a pretty good kid but something went wrong. He became a followered of what he considered to be right wing politics and self identified as that. Problem is that a real right wing conservative believes in the Constitution, the rule of law, and free speech. McViegh lost his way when he broke the laws of the land, ignored what the Constitution said, and threatened people for exercising their free speech rights. Thanks for the clarification on when someone stops being liberal or conservative. Since liberals believe in those 3 items also, then Bill Ayers doesn't belong to......Oh, I get it now. You'll say no they don't. And because the internet is full of wrong information, information you personally have no way of determining whether it good or bad, you can get away with statements that have no basis in fact..Munchkin swallowed the bait and the hook thrown out by the press and the Clinton administration. Politics has always been considered circular with moderates at the bottom of the circle. Our modern libs believe that the NRA is a radical conservative group. McVeigh believed the NRA was too liberal so McVeigh went further around the circle into the radical left side. Why do I believe that? The facts demonstrate that. The radical left is made up of communists, anarchists, and wanna be terrorists. Anarchists like McVeigh believe in throwing (literally) bombs at innocent targets He wan't attacking what he considered an innocent target. A federal building was a valid target, any "innocent" casualties were nothing more than collateral damage. to force the government into changing policies (this is also the FBI definition of terrorism). Like Hitler before him, McVeigh went further than his self proclaimed politics would allow. So he went from the right to the left when he fashioned his bomb.
You see, conservatives don't believe in throwing bombs (the left does), conservatives don't believe in terrorism to solve problems (the left does), conservatives believe in standing up and facing government down (which the left doesn't). You, the labeler, never add the word "far" to your left. You insist on the word "radical" before Islam but not far before left or right. . You're a disingenuous bastard.The press loves the idea that McViegh identified himself as a conservative but he had left the ranch a long time before he became a murderer.

So I say again, McVeigh (at the time of OKC) was a lefty whether he knew it or not.

Well we heard it, folks. Straight from the douche-bag's mouth.
The greatest information tool in the history of man is less reliable and more misleading than judy. A person who has been tripped up by the truth so many times it can't easily be counted.

Here you go. 2 sources.
What do you have? Besides nothing?
Deciding the Buffalo area was too liberal, he left his job and began driving around America, seeking out his old buddies from the Army.[23]

. He also quit the NRA, viewing its stance on gun rights as too weak

According to CNN, his only known associations were as a registered Republican while in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the Army, and there is no evidence that he ever belonged to any extremist groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

Republican presidential candidates gathered last month at the Oklahoma City Cox Conference Center, just a few blocks from the site of what was the Alfred R. Murrah Federal Building. Two decades ago, anti-government militia sympathizer Timothy McVeigh blew it up in what he called an act of war against the U.S. government. It was the worst crime of domestically bred terrorism in American history. McVeigh was executed in 2001, but since then, some of his militia ideals have gone mainstream and even been introduced as laws in many states, including Oklahoma.</SPAN>
Legislators in dozens of states have submitted proposals to nullify or block federal laws—a longtime goal of militias. These have included exempting states from federal gun laws and educational standards, as well as, of course, Obamacare. That doesn’t make these anti-federal statutes part of McVeigh’s madness, but Republican politicians now often echo conspiracy theories once relegated to troglodyte pamphlets. And several states have passed laws making gold a currency—a step toward returning to the gold standard—even though currency is a federal responsibility.


When Cliven Bundy engaged in an armed standoff with Bureau of Land Management agents in 2014, after a federal court order demanded he get his cattle off federal land, as he hadn’t paid grazing fees for 20 years, several of the current Republican presidential candidates sided with the outlaw. As armed militia members converged in Nevada to protect Bundy, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas called the events “the unfortunate and tragic culmination of the path President Obama has set the federal government on.” Rick Perry, then the governor of Texas, said: “I have a problem with the federal government putting citizens in the position of having to feel like they have to use force to deal with their own government.” Mike Huckabee opined: “There is something incredibly wrong when a government believes that some blades of grass that a cow is eating is [such] an egregious affront to the government of the United States that we would literally put a gun in a citizen’s face and threaten to shoot him over it.”

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Tarso Ramos, executive director of Political Research Associates, which tracks right-wing extremism, says these and other formerly fringe ideas mainstreamed after McVeigh’s assault—just not right away. “The Oklahoma City bombing had a sobering effect for a while,” he says. “Then, with the election of Obama, you get a whole new wave of Patriot activity and a new variant of conspiracy-ism, including the birther stuff and the idea that Obama is an agent of powerful elites.”
The surge in fringe activism was so dramatic after Obama’s election that the Department of Homeland Security issued a warning in 2009 predicting that right-wing extremists would multiply and “the consequences of their violence [could be] more severe.” The report was withdrawn after a conservative outcry.
Militia sympathizers today have the ears of many Republican politicians. Texas Governor Greg Abbott vowed to keep watch on the U.S. military this spring as it runs a series of war games called Jade Helm 15. Some Texans sensed an armed federal takeover of the Lone Star State and demanded action. Senator Cruz said of their fears, “I understand the reason for concern and uncertainty, because when the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration, the natural consequence is that many citizens don’t trust what it is saying.”
The nullifiers fear Washington and the United Nations. Anti-U.N. anxiety dates back to the John Birch Society, but today some of those doing the raving are lawmakers. State legislators and local officials have passed dozens of laws barring implementation of Agenda 21, a nonbinding 1992 U.N. white paper about environmental sustainability. President George H.W. Bush and the leaders of 177 other nations signed it.

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[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I doubt if these punks have any political leanings. They're just jerks.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

LittleLiberalEva wouldn't know better. He's an idiot. You know that, JD. You attacked liberals. He had to come up with something.

You said the same thing I did, how dumb does that make you Tonto? Are you a liberal now?

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Well we heard it, folks. Straight from the douche-bag's mouth.
The greatest information tool in the history of man is less reliable and more misleading than judy. A person who has been tripped up by the truth so many times it can't easily be counted.

Here you go. 2 sources.
What do you have? Besides nothing?
Deciding the Buffalo area was too liberal, he left his job and began driving around America, seeking out his old buddies from the Army.[23]

. He also quit the NRA, viewing its stance on gun rights as too weak

According to CNN, his only known associations were as a registered Republican while in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the Army, and there is no evidence that he ever belonged to any extremist groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

Republican presidential candidates gathered last month at the Oklahoma City Cox Conference Center, just a few blocks from the site of what was the Alfred R. Murrah Federal Building. Two decades ago, anti-government militia sympathizer Timothy McVeigh blew it up in what he called an act of war against the U.S. government. It was the worst crime of domestically bred terrorism in American history. McVeigh was executed in 2001, but since then, some of his militia ideals have gone mainstream and even been introduced as laws in many states, including Oklahoma.</SPAN>
Legislators in dozens of states have submitted proposals to nullify or block federal laws—a longtime goal of militias. These have included exempting states from federal gun laws and educational standards, as well as, of course, Obamacare. That doesn’t make these anti-federal statutes part of McVeigh’s madness, but Republican politicians now often echo conspiracy theories once relegated to troglodyte pamphlets. And several states have passed laws making gold a currency—a step toward returning to the gold standard—even though currency is a federal responsibility.


When Cliven Bundy engaged in an armed standoff with Bureau of Land Management agents in 2014, after a federal court order demanded he get his cattle off federal land, as he hadn’t paid grazing fees for 20 years, several of the current Republican presidential candidates sided with the outlaw. As armed militia members converged in Nevada to protect Bundy, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas called the events “the unfortunate and tragic culmination of the path President Obama has set the federal government on.” Rick Perry, then the governor of Texas, said: “I have a problem with the federal government putting citizens in the position of having to feel like they have to use force to deal with their own government.” Mike Huckabee opined: “There is something incredibly wrong when a government believes that some blades of grass that a cow is eating is [such] an egregious affront to the government of the United States that we would literally put a gun in a citizen’s face and threaten to shoot him over it.”

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Tarso Ramos, executive director of Political Research Associates, which tracks right-wing extremism, says these and other formerly fringe ideas mainstreamed after McVeigh’s assault—just not right away. “The Oklahoma City bombing had a sobering effect for a while,” he says. “Then, with the election of Obama, you get a whole new wave of Patriot activity and a new variant of conspiracy-ism, including the birther stuff and the idea that Obama is an agent of powerful elites.”
The surge in fringe activism was so dramatic after Obama’s election that the Department of Homeland Security issued a warning in 2009 predicting that right-wing extremists would multiply and “the consequences of their violence [could be] more severe.” The report was withdrawn after a conservative outcry.
Militia sympathizers today have the ears of many Republican politicians. Texas Governor Greg Abbott vowed to keep watch on the U.S. military this spring as it runs a series of war games called Jade Helm 15. Some Texans sensed an armed federal takeover of the Lone Star State and demanded action. Senator Cruz said of their fears, “I understand the reason for concern and uncertainty, because when the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration, the natural consequence is that many citizens don’t trust what it is saying.”
The nullifiers fear Washington and the United Nations. Anti-U.N. anxiety dates back to the John Birch Society, but today some of those doing the raving are lawmakers. State legislators and local officials have passed dozens of laws barring implementation of Agenda 21, a nonbinding 1992 U.N. white paper about environmental sustainability. President George H.W. Bush and the leaders of 177 other nations signed it.

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You have a strong and embarrassing point about McVeigh formally having voted Republican, and thinking the NRA wasn't strong enough on its positions, but it doesn't let Bill Ayers off the hook.

We disavow McVeigh! Why doesn't the left disavow Ayers? The reason is that his violence helped advance the liberal agenda.

(from Wikipedia and other internet sources, and of course Bill Ayers book, except where noted)

In 1969, he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group with the intent to overthrow imperialism,[2] that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings (including police stations, the US Capitol Building, and the Pentagon) during the 1960s and 1970s in response to US involvement in the Vietnam War.

Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Ayers writes:

Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy—weighing close to two pounds—it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.[19]

(Admitting your part in a bombing, even if no one is killed, is a felonious terrorist act if the aim is to intimidate or coerce a population to a political end. If is like an arson that you hope doesn't kill anyone - the actor conveniently ignores what a reasonable person ought to know and willfully ignores - the possibility of serious bodily injury or death. -DSK)

Ayers stated, "I'm not so much against the war as I am for a Vietnamese victory," and "I'm not so much for peace as for a U.S. defeat."

In 1970, Ayers explained what the Weather Underground was all about: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at."[5]

In an October 2008 article in American Thinker, Jack Cashill presented evidence that Ayers ghostwrote Obama's first book, "Dreams From My Father". He based his assertion on a comparison of the writing styles of Bill Ayers' 2001 memoir, Fugitive Days, and Barack Obama's earlier 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, and came to the conclusion that Ayres had ghostwritten Dreams. [23]

In 2013, Ayers called for every American President of this century, including Obama, to be tried at the Hague for "war crimes.

At the end of Ayers Fugitive Days he writes that he is "Guilty as hell, free as a bird—it’s a great country." Historian Ronald Radosh reviewing Fugitive Days in the Weekly Standard notes, "As for those who might believe without irony that America is a great country, Ayers has one reaction: 'It makes me want to puke.'"[17]

Refute all that, Munchmaster!!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by DSK

You have a strong and embarrassing point about McVeigh formally having voted Republican, and thinking the NRA wasn't strong enough on its positions, but it doesn't let Bill Ayers off the hook.

We disavow McVeigh! Why doesn't the left disavow Ayers? The reason is that his violence helped advance the liberal agenda.

(from Wikipedia and other internet sources, and of course Bill Ayers book, except where noted)

In 1969, he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group with the intent to overthrow imperialism,[2] that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings (including police stations, the US Capitol Building, and the Pentagon) during the 1960s and 1970s in response to US involvement in the Vietnam War.

Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Ayers writes:

Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy—weighing close to two pounds—it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.[19]

(Admitting your part in a bombing, even if no one is killed, is a felonious terrorist act if the aim is to intimidate or coerce a population to a political end. If is like an arson that you hope doesn't kill anyone - the actor conveniently ignores what a reasonable person ought to know and willfully ignores - the possibility of serious bodily injury or death. -DSK)

Ayers stated, "I'm not so much against the war as I am for a Vietnamese victory," and "I'm not so much for peace as for a U.S. defeat."

In 1970, Ayers explained what the Weather Underground was all about: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at."[5]

In an October 2008 article in American Thinker, Jack Cashill presented evidence that Ayers ghostwrote Obama's first book, "Dreams From My Father". He based his assertion on a comparison of the writing styles of Bill Ayers' 2001 memoir, Fugitive Days, and Barack Obama's earlier 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, and came to the conclusion that Ayres had ghostwritten Dreams. [23]

In 2013, Ayers called for every American President of this century, including Obama, to be tried at the Hague for "war crimes.

At the end of Ayers Fugitive Days he writes that he is "Guilty as hell, free as a bird—it’s a great country." Historian Ronald Radosh reviewing Fugitive Days in the Weekly Standard notes, "As for those who might believe without irony that America is a great country, Ayers has one reaction: 'It makes me want to puke.'"[17]

Refute all that, Munchmaster!!

+1

... and Dorhn!!!

[Yssup Rider]

Great reply, IBIdiot.

Back in the closet now, DOTY!

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You said the same thing I did, how dumb does that make you Tonto? Are you a liberal now?

You're too stupid to understand. Typical of liberals.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by DSK

You have a strong and embarrassing point about McVeigh formally having voted Republican, and thinking the NRA wasn't strong enough on its positions, but it doesn't let Bill Ayers off the hook.
It only embarrasses you and judy. The only reason I brought it up was because judy was in high speed history change mode and I love to pour a dose of truth on his lying ass.
We disavow McVeigh! Why doesn't the left disavow Ayers? The reason is that his violence helped advance the liberal agenda. You say "We" disavow him. I've never heard you say shit about it till now. And why would you if I never asked? When was the last time you asked a liberal anything? Other than a hypothetical question? You tell liberals what they think. Of course, even though you feel liberals owe you a disavowal for Ayers, fuck you. What person would feel compelled to tell you anything?

(from Wikipedia and other internet sources, and of course Bill Ayers book, except where noted)

In 1969, he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group with the intent to overthrow imperialism,[2] that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings (including police stations, the US Capitol Building, and the Pentagon) during the 1960s and 1970s in response to US involvement in the Vietnam War.

Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Ayers writes:

Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy—weighing close to two pounds—it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.[19]

(Admitting your part in a bombing, even if no one is killed, is a felonious terrorist act if the aim is to intimidate or coerce a population to a political end. If is like an arson that you hope doesn't kill anyone - the actor conveniently ignores what a reasonable person ought to know and willfully ignores - the possibility of serious bodily injury or death. -DSK)

Ayers stated, "I'm not so much against the war as I am for a Vietnamese victory," and "I'm not so much for peace as for a U.S. defeat."

In 1970, Ayers explained what the Weather Underground was all about: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at."[5]

In an October 2008 article in American Thinker, Jack Cashill presented evidence that Ayers ghostwrote Obama's first book, "Dreams From My Father". He based his assertion on a comparison of the writing styles of Bill Ayers' 2001 memoir, Fugitive Days, and Barack Obama's earlier 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, and came to the conclusion that Ayres had ghostwritten Dreams. [23]

In 2013, Ayers called for every American President of this century, including Obama, to be tried at the Hague for "war crimes.

At the end of Ayers Fugitive Days he writes that he is "Guilty as hell, free as a bird—it’s a great country." Historian Ronald Radosh reviewing Fugitive Days in the Weekly Standard notes, "As for those who might believe without irony that America is a great country, Ayers has one reaction: 'It makes me want to puke.'"[17]
blah, blah, blah
This has been gone over in detail many times
Refute all that, Munchmaster!!

Why would I try to do that? What does that have to do with what we were talking about?

Oh, I see. This is "who is worse". And you're trying to hype Ayers, a noisy, but small time bomber into McVeigh's league. And then, even though the best evidence isn't evidence at all and it has nothing to do whatsoever with the subject at hand, you include Ayers ghost wrote Obama's first book,

Well refute the fact McVeigh killed 168 people by setting off a bomb at 9 in the morning. He blew up a building with a daycare center in it.

Yep, we'll say Ayers belongs to the left and McVeigh is all yours.


Found a new word to me in your Obama ghostwriter accuser's blog.
Fits you perfectly.

Illiberal
1 Opposed to liberal principles.
2 restricting freedom of thought or behavior
synonyms: intolerant, narrow minded, unenlightened, conservative, reactionary, undemocratic, repressive, despotic, tyrannical, oppressive, fascist.

Merriam Webster
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illiberal

illiberal simple definition
not allowing people to think and act as they choose : not liberal

Full Definition of illiberal

1. : not liberal: asa archaic (1) : lacking a liberal education (2) : lacking culture and refinementb : not requiring the background of a liberal arts education <illiberal occupations>c archaic : not generous : stingyd : not broad-minded : bigoted <illiberal thinking>e : opposed to liberalism <illiberal tendencies>

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You're too stupid to understand. Typical of liberals.

You have not understood anything from the get go, so you are definitely stupid. Liberals are smarter than you.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Why would I try to do that? What does that have to do with what we were talking about?

Oh, I see. This is "who is worse". And you're trying to hype Ayers, a noisy, but small time bomber into McVeigh's league. And then, even though the best evidence isn't evidence at all and it has nothing to do whatsoever with the subject at hand, you include Ayers ghost wrote Obama's first book,

Well refute the fact McVeigh killed 168 people by setting off a bomb at 9 in the morning. He blew up a building with a daycare center in it.

Yep, we'll say Ayers belongs to the left and McVeigh is all yours.


Found a new word to me in your Obama ghostwriter accuser's blog.
Fits you perfectly.

Illiberal
1 Opposed to liberal principles.
2 restricting freedom of thought or behavior
synonyms: intolerant, narrow minded, unenlightened, conservative, reactionary, undemocratic, repressive, despotic, tyrannical, oppressive, fascist.

Merriam Webster
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illiberal

illiberal simple definition
not allowing people to think and act as they choose : not liberal

Full Definition of illiberal

1. : not liberal: asa archaic (1) : lacking a liberal education (2) : lacking culture and refinementb : not requiring the background of a liberal arts education <illiberal occupations>c archaic : not generous : stingyd : not broad-minded : bigoted <illiberal thinking>e : opposed to liberalism <illiberal tendencies>

Ayers got away with it, and McVeigh didn't. Ayers was the cofounder of the weather underground, which was responsible for multiple bombings. He is kinda like the Helter Skelter guy Charles Manson, who directed others to kill.

McVeigh is not ours, we disavow him. We executed him.

Disavow Ayers, unless you support his multiple bombings.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by DSK

Ayers got away with it, and McVeigh didn't. Ayers was the cofounder of the weather underground, which was responsible for multiple bombings. He is kinda like the Helter Skelter guy Charles Manson, who directed others to kill.

McVeigh is not ours, we disavow him. We executed him.

Disavow Ayers, unless you support his multiple bombings.

I do not understand why either is avowed by anyone. They are both evil.

[JD Barleycorn]

Munchkin I have to say that I thinking is something you don't do very often because you are so bad at it. Anyone can call themselves anything. What does the bible say, "and you shall know them by the fruits of their labor." When I was a kid we had a local hooligan who wanted to be the sheriff. It was going to be a year of years for the GOP that year and everyone knew it. He declared himself to be a republican in a non-partisan election. Did that make him a republican? NO. Does being a member of the NRA (the oldest civil rights organization) make someone a republican? NO Does being registered as a republican make someone a conservative? NOT A CHANCE. And you shall know them by their fruits....blowing up buildings and killing innocents is not the mark of a conservative. Joining organizations that deny people civil rights is not the mark of a conservative. Any more than using a military plane as an avatar make you a patriot. You shall know them by their fruits. Munchkin, EVA, and others of their ilk have demonstrated that they are progressives no matter what their lying lips say. I suppose that we could ask Assup who those lips feel but...you know....Assup.