Time are tough for providers and hobbyists.

[Guest070316-1]

I don't think being slow has anything to do with it at the moment (regardless of the statement made). I do believe the OP was talking about a certain price point where folks are not willing to hobby at as there have been lots of discussion, and have had this discussion among friends/peers myself. I think it was a hot topic in Austin a while ago. Should of been more specific on that number.

Otherwise, good points Milani as I'm sure that goes for quite a few ladies and their regulars or as to the types of clientele you may be attracting or not trying to attract.

[Ms. Milani]

Well if that's the case then perhaps the provider does it for this very reason. I know I do. It eliminates rude problem clients. You get a different clientle in each rate "category". Some providers prefer a certain kind of clientle and sets her rates to attract them. Just like some guys won't see women who's rates are too high the opposite is also true. Some gents won't see women who's rates are too low because they feel that she will be too high volume. Instead of complaining about it just concentrate on seeing providers in your chosen rate category.

Originally Posted by Dr. Grey

I don't think being slow has anything to do with it at the moment. I do believe the OP was talking about a certain price point where folks are not willing to hobby at. I think it was a hot topic in Austin a while ago. Should of been more specific on that number.

[Guest070316-1]

Originally Posted by Ms. Milani

Instead of complaining about it just concentrate on seeing providers in your chosen rate category.

I'll agree there, I just move on however some don't. There at least 3 or 4 women I'd see if they were within a range I was comfortable with when meeting for the first time, especially if I liked them and felt they were repeat potential would make things easier to book with them. Won't name names. However, repeat potential has to come with a comfortable rate at which I spend my time and funds. I have to keep my hobby budget respectable month to month, regardless of income coming in. And I am sure ladies do get a certain clientele at certain rate break points, but I am sure it works both ways on missing out on a few gents here and there also who won't see them.

Can't say I have ever passed on a girl due to thinking she was high volume for being at a low rate. Regardless of rate, they are either are, or they are not. Girls set their own volume really, and there are probably some girls that are high volume even at ''high rates''. Have found that to be true just speculating, reading reviews, and talking among other gents/ladies. Reviews really tell all how well a girl is prepared, tcb and the level of service you receive and guys will tell if there is a volume issue no matter the rate. Not to mention, if a high quantity of reviews come out in a short amount of time, might say something about volume coming in. Not to say girls still get a lot of volume without a lot of reviews, but you get the idea.

It is one of those discussions that can be talked about, but nothing really comes of it or sometimes things change or ladies put on specials time to time and get lucky perhaps. People will donate what they want for a ladies time, or don't want to. Sure I'd like to see a few here and there, but will stick to what I know is best for myself and things have always worked out in the end. I've always managed to have a good time here and there with what I am comfortable with. Can't speak for everyone however. Carry on.

[OldYeller]

Just wanted to throw in my two cents. In the last week, I've had three cancellations of established dates from well-known ladies over girlie politics, and a fourth that I had a date with and went radio silence. And a fifth - an agency that didn't respond in 24 hours. All five well known.

It's tough on a monger out there... and its hard for the ladies to make a buck if they don't accept dates and show up for them ... just saying.

[ck1942]

^^^^
What he said!

Originally Posted by OldYeller

Just wanted to throw in my two cents. In the last week, I've had three cancellations of established dates from well-known ladies over girlie politics, and a fourth that I had a date with and went radio silence. And a fifth - an agency that didn't respond in 24 hours. All five well known.

It's tough on a monger out there... and its hard for the ladies to make a buck if they don't accept dates and show up for them ... just saying.

The absolute lack of positive TCB is a real joy killer for the hobbyist.

Doesn't matter if he is a newb or someone around 10 years or more.

How long does it take to reply to a text or a pm anyway?

Rhetorical question, of course.

However, my sense is that as more providers' poor TCB becomes known to the hobbyists, those providers could certainly see a distinct fall off in gents trying to make contact.

Easiest thing in the world imo is to spend less than an hour a day to clean out a private message box, and, if nothing more, send a reply using a template that tells the hobbyist what to do to set up a session.

[Mature210]

Originally Posted by ck1942

The absolute lack of positive TCB is a real joy killer for the hobbyist.

I couldn't agree more. Price is important, of course, but nothing makes me rule out a provider for future consideration more than setting up a date, confirming, preparing, and driving to the site only to find radio silence.

That said: I see two or three ladies a week and I don't mind being generous, but there are certain ladies that I'd love to see, but probably never will, because they command a higher donation than I'm willing to part with at one time. I've seen posts and I've heard the ladies say that business is slow. It's not slow for everyone, so maybe you've overpriced yourself.

[big35hurt]

Originally Posted by OldYeller

Just wanted to throw in my two cents. In the last week, I've had three cancellations of established dates from well-known ladies over girlie politics, and a fourth that I had a date with and went radio silence. And a fifth - an agency that didn't respond in 24 hours. All five well known.

It's tough on a monger out there... and its hard for the ladies to make a buck if they don't accept dates and show up for them ... just saying.

Maybe times aren't that tough afterall. Things happen and maybe RW situations came up for the ladies. But 4. Wow. Maybe this thread had the reverse affect and made guys scramble to set up with ladies. Poor TCB is a killjoy. If it's happening to an established guy like OY. All I can say is everyone isn't safe. Haha.

But. This also brings up another example of people talking. Like the 3 ladies accusing babykins of BBFS and telling a hobbyist. It seems other stuff is flying around as OY mentioned girlie politics. To this end I say the ladies should be named. Once again 1 lady is on thing. 4 is a whole different ballgame. May save a hobbyist the time. And may help a lady who doesn't want any part of the drama.

Until the ladies and gents start holding people accountable. Posts like these don't help anyone. By all means you aren't publicly shaming them. You are just noting Your displeasure. Everyone can use a little constructive criticism. Hell. I ask ladies who I see what I can do better. I am no stud by any means.

If anything. This thread I guess out 4 ladies and an agency on notice. I would check the SNAP OY. Seems there are always great providers available.

[textodd11]

First point, to the south... The oilfield business downturn has affected a lot of girls I'm sure. There were a lot of oilfield "ballers" in and around SA the previous few years throwing around cash. Hell, I even saw it at places like Twin Peaks & Hooters. That's gone. I think that some girls probably thought that was the norm when they got into the biz.

Second, to the north... In Austin, I can see a 20-25 year old drop-dead gorgeous coed for around $220-$300/hr. I realize that everyone has their own preferences, but generally, in the hobby world, that is the premium standard by which all others are measured. I'm not making any judgments, just stating how it is. That is only about an hour drive for lots of people so it's relevant.

SA is in between. In general, we don't have a lot of the premium (once again, not judging), high demand, type of girls. We're not a big college town. Add to this, most guys are willing to put up with a lot more shit from a 20-25 year old drop-dead gorgeous girl than a girl they feel they probably would have a shot with on any given night at a local bar. It's harsh, but it's the reality and highlights the dilemma. So, unless a provider is in that premium category, if she tries to set rates in that range or higher, she's marginalizing her potential market and will have problems getting clients.

By all means, a girl should set her rates to what she is comfortable with but please don't complain if things are slow, just look at your business, in the mirror, and adjust. Remember, the guys are not the ones who are paid to look good, be on time, return phone calls/texts promptly, and do it all with a smile. It takes a special kind of person to be a provider. Not all girls can or should be in the profession and I really respect the girls who manage to do it well.

[Ms. Milani]

Originally Posted by Mature210

It's not slow for everyone, so maybe you've overpriced yourself.

I completely disagree with this. I've dropped my rates super low and it's still been dead (ages ago). I have good TCB and my reviews speak for themselves. I used to believe what you said and was constantly dropping my rates thinking I was ugly or some shit during the slow periods. Sometimes it's just dead. Saying you're overpricing yourself is basically saying you're not good enough to charge such and such. That's not very nice and I refuse to see a gent who thinks like this. Instead of belittling women and making them feel like they aren't worth their rate just find someone that you can afford. I don't see why men feel they need to belittle a woman (yes telling her she's not worth her rate is considered an insult) to try and get a lower rate.

Some women are having slow business but eventually over time they will realize it's normal. Providing income is like waves. Some weeks you make a couple grand. Some weeks you make less than a grand. Just have to learn to start saving for the slow times. Don't put yourself in such a bind that you feel you HAVE to drop your rates because men say you're not worth it. Fuck that noise.

I have found that new pics help business pick up often. Also I invest more time for my regulars. I make sure they feel appreciated with videos and pics before anyone else. Now my business is steady and I'm happy where I'm at. I love my body, I provide great service, and I charge what I feel I'm worth. If someone doesn't agree then there's hundreds of other providers they can see. See it's simple. I won't whine that every single client doesn't want to fuck me and men shouldn't whine that some girls charge too much. If you can't afford them then don't see them. Don't damage their reputation or make them feel ugly just to get a discount.

OY, cancellations suck mighty balls. Hopefully you can release your minions on some sexy lady's face soon.

[Ms. Milani]

Originally Posted by textodd11

First point, to the south... The oilfield business downturn has affected a lot of girls I'm sure. There were a lot of oilfield "ballers" in and around SA the previous few years throwing around cash. Hell, I even saw it at places like Twin Peaks & Hooters. That's gone. I think that some girls probably thought that was the norm when they got into the biz.

Second, to the north... In Austin, I can see a 20-25 year old drop-dead gorgeous coed for around $220-$300/hr. I realize that everyone has their own preferences, but generally, in the hobby world, that is the premium standard by which all others are measured. I'm not making any judgments, just stating how it is. That is only about an hour drive for lots of people so it's relevant.

SA is in between. In general, we don't have a lot of the premium (once again, not judging), high demand, type of girls. We're not a big college town. Add to this, most guys are willing to put up with a lot more shit from a 20-25 year old drop-dead gorgeous girl than a girl they feel they probably would have a shot with on any given night at a local bar. It's harsh, but it's the reality and highlights the dilemma. So, unless a provider is in that premium category, if she tries to set rates in that range or higher, she's marginalizing her potential market and will have problems getting clients.

By all means, a girl should set her rates to what she is comfortable with but please don't complain if things are slow, just look at your business, in the mirror, and adjust. Remember, the guys are not the ones who are paid to look good, be on time, return phone calls/texts promptly, and do it all with a smile. It takes a special kind of person to be a provider. Not all girls can or should be in the profession and I really respect the girls who manage to do it well.

Very true.

[JustCallMe_G]

Originally Posted by Ms. Milani

I completely disagree with this. I've dropped my rates super low and it's still been dead (ages ago). I have good TCB and my reviews speak for themselves. I used to believe what you said and was constantly dropping my rates thinking I was ugly or some shit during the slow periods. Sometimes it's just dead. Saying you're overpricing yourself is basically saying you're not good enough to charge such and such. That's not very nice and I refuse to see a gent who thinks like this. Instead of belittling women and making them feel like they aren't worth their rate just find someone that you can afford. I don't see why men feel they need to belittle a woman (yes telling her she's not worth her rate is considered an insult) to try and get a lower rate.

Some women are having slow business but eventually over time they will realize it's normal. Providing income is like waves. Some weeks you make a couple grand. Some weeks you make less than a grand. Just have to learn to start saving for the slow times. Don't put yourself in such a bind that you feel you HAVE to drop your rates because men say you're not worth it. Fuck that noise.

I have found that new pics help business pick up often. Also I invest more time for my regulars. I make sure they feel appreciated with videos and pics before anyone else. Now my business is steady and I'm happy where I'm at. I love my body, I provide great service, and I charge what I feel I'm worth. If someone doesn't agree then there's hundreds of other providers they can see. See it's simple. I won't whine that every single client doesn't want to fuck me and men shouldn't whine that some girls charge too much. If you can't afford them then don't see them. Don't damage their reputation or make them feel ugly just to get a discount.

OY, cancellations suck mighty balls. Hopefully you can release your minions on some sexy lady's face soon.

You tell 'em, girl! I concur with most of what you said. What I always tell providers who ask, is to diversify their marketing. If you are only on a couple of sites, you are doing yourself a disservice. Not everyone knows about ECCIE or participate here regularly. Clients come from all over.

[golfnwine]

MOST of the provider's effort should be on marketing and networking.
I wonder how many of the providers with low income try to attend a social gathering.
YES you will be seen by several hobbyists and you may not feel comfortable in that environment, but you have to get outside your own bubble.
We'll see tomorrow if new faces show up to gain more attention.

[Sonya Playmate]

tpep..You got to remember ALL ladies are in charge of there own business.

If you don't like a donation thats high. Just move on to a donation that works for ur income.

Hobby on!

[JustCallMe_G]

Originally Posted by golfnwine

MOST of the provider's effort should be on marketing and networking.
I wonder how many of the providers with low income try to attend a social gathering.
YES you will be seen by several hobbyists and you may not feel comfortable in that environment, but you have to get outside your own bubble.
We'll see tomorrow if new faces show up to gain more attention.

My income isn't low, but the clients I have been meeting the past 1.5 months are not any of the hobbyists I met and chatted with at the past two socials. This may be why some providers don't bother going.

Do any of the other ladies feel this way or have found this to be true?

[Ms. Milani]

Originally Posted by JustCallMe_G

My income isn't low, but the clients I have been meeting the past 1.5 months are not any of the hobbyists I met and chatted with at the past two socials. This may be why some providers don't bother going.

Do any of the other ladies feel this way or have found this to be true?

Ditto. I rarely ever get business from a social. I know other providers who also say the same. It's fun sometimes to meet and talk but maybe three times in the past four years did I get a client from there.

And round of applause for Sonya. I completely agree with her.