Iowa?

[bambino]

So why is the primary there so important? It's a small state. Only 20% of registered voters show up to "caucus". So who really fucking cares about Iowa? The last 2 Republicans that won there didn't win the nomination. It's like a pre season game. Who fuckin cares. Just the media,

[The_Waco_Kid]

it's first on the political calendar. nothing more, nothing less.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

it's first on the political calendar. nothing more, nothing less.

I know, but the media attention this year is like its Armageddon. It doesn't matter.

[The_Waco_Kid]

the only thing that ever mattered about Iowa is this



http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...americas-13737

the Iowa class battleship would have (did) stand toe to toe with either the Bismark class battleship or the Yamato class battleship.

what could have been .. the Ultimate Battleship

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...americas-13737

[JD Barleycorn]

I think you made a mistake here. The Iowa class battleship was built. Four of them (Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin) so there is no "would have" about it. Another thing, the Iowa would have probably lost to the Yamato; 16 inch guns versus 18 inch guns. The picture that you show is a proposed Wyoming class battleship that was never built. They key is the main guns. An Iowa class battleship has nine 16 inch rifled cannons, the Wyoming was supposed to have twelve 16 inch rifled cannons. Another thing about the Iowa class, it was so narrow compared to other ships of the time because it had to be able to transit the Panama Canal.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by bambino

So why is the primary there so important? It's a small state. Only 20% of registered voters show up to "caucus". So who really fucking cares about Iowa? The last 2 Republicans that won there didn't win the nomination. It's like a pre season game. Who fuckin cares. Just the media,

I've driven through it - boring as hell...some place like Texas or Pennsylvania should rotate as the first primary.

[Unique_Carpenter]

You all are missing a key thing about Iowa.
It's a farm/Midwest/bible belt state. Thus a lot of analysts will take the Iowa results and apply demographics from that to other states with what they think are somewhat similar demographic areas. And, the candidates themselves will modify their behaviors accordingly as they believe those demographics are applicable currently.
Perhaps they were a couple decades ago but .....

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I think you made a mistake here. The Iowa class battleship was built. Four of them (Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin) so there is no "would have" about it. Another thing, the Iowa would have probably lost to the Yamato; 16 inch guns versus 18 inch guns. The picture that you show is a proposed Wyoming class battleship that was never built. They key is the main guns. An Iowa class battleship has nine 16 inch rifled cannons, the Wyoming was supposed to have twelve 16 inch rifled cannons. Another thing about the Iowa class, it was so narrow compared to other ships of the time because it had to be able to transit the Panama Canal.

You are incorrect. the Iowa class battleship had superior fire control than either the Bismark or the Yamato class battleships. they had a superior fire rate and accuracy.

the Bismark class German battleship was actually an inferior design which led to its destruction. While it easily defeated the pride of the British Navy, the HMS Hood, in the Battle of the Denmark Strait, where the Bismark was matched with the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen vs. the HMS Hood and HMS Prince of Wales, the German forces won easily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...Denmark_Strait

what defeated the Bismark was Naval air power. and by that i mean "old School" air power. the Bismark, and her sister ship the Tirpitz were designed to defeat
"modern" air power and that was their undoing. after easily defeating the HMS Hood (sunk) and forcing the retreat of the HMS Prince of Wales, the Bismark was undone by WW1 style aircraft. Why? because the Germans designed their anti-aircraft guns to defend against "modern" aircraft. that was a HUGE mistake but understandable given what was expected during WW2.




the Triptiz, after the sinking of the Bismark, spent the entire war in harbor. it NEVER came out to challenge the Royal Navy. it was sunk at harbor by the British using aircraft.

there was never a WW2 version of the Battle of Jutland. it never happened. but, there were several engagements of top class battleships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jutland

and in every case the US Navy either held its own or won decisively. the North Carolina class battleship, the precursor of the Iowa, was easily a match for the Yamato and proved it in the battle of the of Leyte Gulf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

all of the German super battleships (Bismark, Tirpitz) and Japanese super battleships (Yamato,Musashi) were all sunk during WW2.

None of the Iowa class battleships were sunk. NONE. of it's predecessor the North Carolina (which could have stood toe to toe with either the German or Japanese) were lost.

that said, both the French (richelieu) and Italians (Roma) had equally impressive battleships. but the KING of the SEA was the US NAVY IOWA class battleships.

had the US Navy built the USS Montana, despite its limitations (slower fleet speed, width i.e. unable to pass through the Panama canal .. width)

the Montana class battleship would have been the greatest navel weapon other than a Fleet aircraft carrier ever to sail the seas.

http://www.nationalinterest.org/comm...-all-time-9613

[cptjohnstone]

I was part owner of several pig farms years ago and yes pig shit does stink. Stepped in some and barely got back to Dallas

The people are real and well educated

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I think you made a mistake here. The Iowa class battleship was built. Four of them (Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin) so there is no "would have" about it. Another thing, the Iowa would have probably lost to the Yamato; 16 inch guns versus 18 inch guns. The picture that you show is a proposed Wyoming class battleship that was never built. They key is the main guns. An Iowa class battleship has nine 16 inch rifled cannons, the Wyoming was supposed to have twelve 16 inch rifled cannons. Another thing about the Iowa class, it was so narrow compared to other ships of the time because it had to be able to transit the Panama Canal.

I guess we can talk BB's for a minute.

The Iowa Class was no more narrow than any other US BB. They were long, however, over 880 ft. The length was a result of needing to hit the desired speed of 32+ knots at 48,000 tons displacement. In fact, they proved to be a very stable firing platform.

Also, while the Yamato Class did have 18 inch Rifles, the fire Controle used on the 16 inch 50 cal Rifles of the Iowa Class was far superior. The fact is, you can sink what you can't hit. The speed and superior accuracy of the Iowas's Rifles would have outclassed the Yamato.

The fact is, none of the four Iowa a Class ships ever went head to head with anther true Battleship. But many other US BB's did. None were sunk after Pear Harbor.

The Bismark was not really as "awesome" as the the legend says. The sinking of the Hood was a result of a Battle Cruiser slugging it out with a Battleship. If the Hood could have closed the range, (making her less vulnerable to plunging fire due to thin deck armor), the outcome might not have been so predictable.

In just about every evaluation of Battleships, the Iowa Class was considered the best of the best.

Now, as to the question. The only reason The Iowa Caucuses seem so important is they are first. Two weeks from now, nobody will give a shit.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

I guess we can talk BB's for a minute.

The Iowa Class was no more narrow than any other US BB. They were long, however, over 880 ft. The length was a result of needing to hit the desired speed of 32+ knots at 48,000 tons displacement. In fact, they proved to be a very stable firing platform.

Also, while the Yamato Class did have 18 inch Rifles, the fire Controle used on the 16 inch 50 cal Rifles of the Iowa Class was far superior. The fact is, you can sink what you can't hit. The speed and superior accuracy of the Iowas's Rifles would have outclassed the Yamato.

The fact is, none of the four Iowa a Class ships ever went head to head with anther true Battleship. But many other US BB's did. None were sunk after Pear Harbor.

but the North Carolina class (precursor to the Iowa) did and proved themselves well

The Bismark was not really as "awesome" as the the legend says. The sinking of the Hood was a result of a Battle Cruiser slugging it out with a Battleship. If the Hood could have closed the range, (making her less vulnerable to plunging fire due to thin deck armor), the outcome might not have been so predictable.

In just about every evaluation of Battleships, the Iowa Class was considered the best of the best.




Now, as to the question. The only reason The Iowa Caucuses seem so important is they are first. Two weeks from now, nobody will give a shit.

check. about battleships!


check about Iowa. it's first.

someone has to be first ...

[CuteOldGuy]

Iowa is important because the media say it's important.

[JD Barleycorn]

Somewhere in the rules New Hampshire has to have the first PRIMARY, so Iowa has a caucus to get around them. Remember the last election in 2012. A number of states were jockying to be the first but New Hampshire had to be first so they had their primary on the 10th and Iowa's causus was the 3rd. A story appeared on MSN about this very topic; the simple story is that the democratic party put together the modern primary system and put Iowa first to cast ballots followed by New Hampshire. The democratic party also rigged the system with superdelegates to prevent an insurgent candidate from getting the nomination. More about that later if Hillary is not indicted and Bernie continues to surge.

I did make a mistake about mixing up the Wyoming (which did exist) and the Montana (which was never finished). I never implied that the Yamato ever did combat with an Iowa class but I was pointing out that the Iowa class was built. The OP on this topic made it sound like the Iowa class was not completed in time for World War II. The fire control on the Iowa was superior but the range on the 18 inch guns was much further than the 16 inch guns could hope to match. A couple of hits would have reduced the Iowa's capability when they got within range of the Japanese battleship. The reputation for the Bismarck was more PR than actual. They got a lucky shot on the battle cruiser Hood where the armor was weak (pre World War II treaty ship) and hit the magazine. There was some significant battleship action during one phase of the Battle of the Leyte Gulf. In the Battle of Surigao Straits, the Japanese surface fleet was met by many of the American battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor and refloated. The American force "crossed the T" of the Japanese fleet and slaughtered them.

The Yamato was sunk by carrier planes as it rushed to assist at Okinawa. It's sister ship, the Musashi, was sunk by an American submarine as it sailed south to it's own assignment at the Battle of Leyte Gulf. FYI, the Battle of Leyte Gulf took place in three different places.

[lustylad]

A few things to keep in mind entering primary season:

1. For a while it looked like other states might try to leapfrog ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire to hold the first primary. However, the national parties shaped their convention/delegate rules to discourage this. Even so, there is a trend by many states to vote earlier than they used to. If the primaries are bunched too closely together, candidates have less time to campaign effectively in each state.

2. Opinion polls are likely to be less accurate (have a larger error margin) in states that vote by caucus (like Iowa) or allow independents to vote in either primary (Republican or Democrat). Keep that in mind when you see polls purporting to show who is ahead in a particular state.

3. Pay attention to whether a state awards delegates on a winner-take-all or proportional basis. The early primaries are mostly winner-take-all, because each party wants a "presumptive nominee" to emerge sooner rather than later.

[Yssup Rider]

Already looking for ways to back away from the lunacy of the Trump/Cruz choice.

GOP is fuckee-fuckee!